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[Penguins]

That is what is so funny. If Roy succeeds he has done great with a squad Rafa should have won the title with. And if Roys fails it is Rafa's fault for leaving a squad low on confidence.

Laughable really...

[Benny The Noon]

I was a bit disappointed on monday. Firstly with the display and conceding such simple goals, but mostly with Roys selection and tactics. Lets be honest, Coles ban hurt us as he is the most creative player we have now, but Lucas and Ngog are at best sh'ite and at worst a liability. The whole team looked drained and frightened and none of hem deserved credit for as bad as a performance Ive seen for a while. Roy really has his work cut out to try and get the players out of Rafa mode, but he wont do it by having games like the one against city. Im not expecting miracles, but I do expect progress and to pick Ngog ahead of Babel, and then leave him on he pitch as long as he did concerned me. Roy is on probation (or even on trial if you read some of the Rafapologists posts!) and doesnt seem to have the luxury of losing too many games before the knives are out and to be honest some of the comments in the Man City Games thread are Fu*king pathetic.
Hodgson has inherited (unlike Rafa) a squad with such low confidence and expectations that they seem terrified of their own shadow. He, with our backing, has to motivate these players to play attacking, creative, winning football. He needs to break free of the "we controlled the game bu didnt win" type of bu'llshit and go for it. I will take getting beat 3-0 if we have fought and tried to win. I cant take it when we roll over and take it up up the hole without a whimper.
New balls please

Wrong according to you and others  , Roy has inherited a squad that should have won the title last year or come close atleast . It was the manager last year not the squad remember . Don't try and re-write history, some of your other points a i agree completely with.

Extremely good point and well made .

Im wondering where this supposed 15 mil pound budget is that Hodgson had to work with plus money from player sales - it doesnt seem to be around . It seems there was no budget which makes his job even harder esp with so far two first teammers leaving and possibly two more to go

[Thommo's perm]

I was a bit disappointed on monday. Firstly with the display and conceding such simple goals, but mostly with Roys selection and tactics. Lets be honest, Coles ban hurt us as he is the most creative player we have now, but Lucas and Ngog are at best sh'ite and at worst a liability. The whole team looked drained and frightened and none of hem deserved credit for as bad as a performance Ive seen for a while. Roy really has his work cut out to try and get the players out of Rafa mode, but he wont do it by having games like the one against city. Im not expecting miracles, but I do expect progress and to pick Ngog ahead of Babel, and then leave him on he pitch as long as he did concerned me. Roy is on probation (or even on trial if you read some of the Rafapologists posts!) and doesnt seem to have the luxury of losing too many games before the knives are out and to be honest some of the comments in the Man City Games thread are Fu*king pathetic.
Hodgson has inherited (unlike Rafa) a squad with such low confidence and expectations that they seem terrified of their own shadow. He, with our backing, has to motivate these players to play attacking, creative, winning football. He needs to break free of the "we controlled the game bu didnt win" type of bu'llshit and go for it. I will take getting beat 3-0 if we have fought and tried to win. I cant take it when we roll over and take it up up the hole without a whimper.
New balls please

Wrong according to you and others  , Roy has inherited a squad that should have won the title last year or come close atleast . It was the manager last year not the squad remember . Don't try and re-write history, some of your other points a i agree completely with.

"Roy has inherited a squad that should have won the title last year or come close atleast"
When did I say that?
Season after season Rafa chopped and changed so much the players didnt know if they were coming or going. The season we came second represented our best chance of pushing on to win the league but what did Rafa do? Sold Alonso and bought Aquilani. Thus breaking the rhythm and spirit of the team. When Rafa first came he had Houlliers strong squad plus a few acquisitions he bought and we know what happened. Hodgson has inherited a mish-mash of the sublime and the sh'it and is being scrutinised from game to game. Rafa has gone but his legacy will be with us for a long time and we should wish Roy all the luck in the world because he is going to need it to turn things round.

[Thommo's perm]

That is what is so funny. If Roy succeeds he has done great with a squad Rafa should have won the title with. And if Roys fails it is Rafa's fault for leaving a squad low on confidence.

Laughable really...

I think youll find thats life
Or as the french say: "tough merde"

[Igor Zidane]

Wrong , Houllier DID NOT leave rafa a strong squad. Stop re-writing history.

[Benny The Noon]

Was it 35 points behind the winners we were with GH last squad

[maypaxvobiscum]

who cares which manager bought the players, as long as they are all driven and committed to the cause for the benefit of the club, im happy.

[Thommo's perm]

Wrong , Houllier DID NOT leave rafa a strong squad. Stop re-writing history.

Whats your obsession with me trying to re-write history?
I am stating my opinion
Dudek
Finnan
Carra
Hyppia
Gerrard
Riise
Hamman
Baros
Kewell
Smicer
There are ten good players from the houllier era inherited by Rafa

[Igor Zidane]

Wrong , Houllier DID NOT leave rafa a strong squad. Stop re-writing history.

Whats your obsession with me trying to re-write history?
I am stating my opinion
Dudek no
Finnan yes
Carra yes
Hyppia yes
Gerrard yes
Riise yes
Hamman yes
Baros no
Kewell no
Smicer no
There are ten good players from the houllier era inherited by Rafa

Bollox

Reina
agger
carra
skrtle
Aurelio
Johnson?
gerrard
mascherano
pacheco
kuyt
torres
kelly

[supersub]

There were some good players but it wasn't a particularly strong squad...even some of the players you named got their fair share of slaggers during Houlliers reign...and you have failed to name some of the stronger members of the squad like Traore, Biscan,even the new Zidane

[jimmy brighton]

There were some good players but it wasn't a particularly strong squad...even some of the players you named got their fair share of slaggers during Houlliers reign...and you have failed to name some of the stronger members of the squad like Traore, Biscan,even the new Zidane

[jimmy brighton]

For such a pleasant manner that Roy exudes, you could see him getting more and more irritated with what was unfolding before his eyes as the first half drew to a close. I'd loved to have been in that dressing room at half time because the 2nd half display was such an improvement. I, like others on here, thought before this match that I couldn't give two hoots about this competition but I cast my mind back to '73, '76 and '01 and they were all great days. We have won the competition 3 times along with Inter and Juventus. Neither of them can point to 5 European cups so if we could win it again, that would be 9 major euro trophies (not counting the super cup). Some achievement! 
p.s. Real Madrid have won 11 (5 euro cups when there weren't even any english clubs in the competition!) and A C Milan 9 also

[Owzat]

The UEFA Cup was destroyed as a competition once they piled all the top clubs into the 'Champions' League. The Cup Winners Cup was a quality competition, if only they had retained that and not merged it into the UEFA Cup which gave it a glimmer of hope of being stronger, but once the strong non-Champion teams were stolen from the UEFA Cup it lost it's strength. Just imagine if it were still the same and Man Utd and Arsenal were in the UEFA Cup, you'd argue a case it was stronger than the Champions League! Then we wouldn't be in it at all in all probability.

So far we've 100% record in Europe under Woy because, no matter how poor or average we've been so far, the opposition were worse. Expect a breeze through the groups and our usual procession through the rounds until we face a half decent side, just like the UEFA Cup days of the 90s.

Still you gotta laugh at Villa, annihilated by a promoted side last week and humiliated by an AUSTRIAN team last night! Perhaps we should offer to loan them Insua, Lucas and Babel

[RedSi35]

What bugs me is the differences in first and second half performances in pretty much every game so far. Roy needs to give that second half bollocking ( or whatever he does ) at the beginning of the game. That way we may not start the match looking like Sunday footballers

[Owzat]

But didn't we experience 'games of two halves' under Rafa? Look well on top first half, sit back and get nailed second half.