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[dawson99]

whats the arguament this time?

[In and Out]

So what, are you saying Roy's wasted 17M pounds or something?

[In and Out]

Also the fact is, money wasn't always tight when the previous manager was here, lets not overlook that.

You may want to dig back to the beginning of the last manager's tenure to get a better picture of his spending. Not just selecting the years T&T arrived.

[dawson99]

not mroe comapring to Rafa, whos gone.. and is now trying to poach our players, after he bought Aquilani.. once Hodgson wastes 20million on a crock then you can complain, live in the now people

[Penguins]

F.ucking hell the overeaction on here concerning the loan of Aqua and buying Poulsen and not selling Mascha is unfeckinbelievable it really is.

Firstly, lets take a look at the Aqua situation. Rafa left Roy a flop, neither it seems, think or thought Aqua was up to the task. Personally I think the lad has ability but lacks the physical demands of the Prem. They're my thoughts, Roy's might be totally different. He's brought in J.Cole and again it seems he wants to play him in the hole. Where is Aqua going to fit in, realistically? The Poulsen signing comes in here now and so does retaining Masha's services.

Mascha and Poulsen could be the axis of our central midfield and Gerrard can shift into the hole, where does Aqua fit in realistically? He doesn't, signing Poulsen gives Roy more options than the narrow minded on here think. Put it this way I wouldn't be surprised with Cole's suspension that Gerrard is moved into Cole's role and Poulsen and Mascha are paired up in the center against Citeh.

Moaning though doesn't stop there for some does it, no, we've bought Poulsen and failed to sell Mascha Feck it, maybe Roy should have done a 'Rafa' sold the player first and then scramble around in the market and panic buy like he did with Pennant or Aqua - both really worked out didn't they. Roy sensibly went for a safe bet, with the money he had, from the sale of Yossi or whatever, he went out and brought an experienced international midfielder for peanuts. That's better business in my view, you don't sell stars first, if you've then got to dilly dally around in the transfer market panicking.

So what? We've kept hold of Mascha-is it really that bad? fu.ck no! Firstly, if Inter do not meet our evaluation on the player then tough fecking s.hit. You lot should be happy Roy isn't being made to sell a quality international for peanuts! Therefore it's hardly ROy's fault Inter can't afford the fee we've quoted, TOUGH. Many have said he's a mercinary- but he's a proffesional mercinary and I and many others like him, he's a fecking quality player and if he produces performances like he did against Arsenal while wanting away, I don't give a feck. Like I said this gives Roy the option of playing him and Poulsen in midfield with Gerrard in the hole, where does Aqua fit in? When Cole is back he'll slot back in and midfield can be adjusted if need be.

TEAM exemplars


                                    Reina

                 Johnson   Carra   Skertel     Agger

                             Poulsen Mascha

                Kuyt             Gerrard           Jovanovic

                                   Torres



                                   Reina

              Johnson    Carra    Skertel      Agger

                           Gerrard    Mascha/Poulsen

              Kuyt               Cole               Jovo

                                 Torres


Either fecking way those sides above are more creative than the set-up we played last season, just wait for it to click you bunch of ole women!

Masch and Poulsen as the 2 cm?

Are you kidding me or has last season learnt us nothing?
And I don't buy Aqua as a flop. He was a flop signing but he showed great promise and good creativty and abilty when he played last season. Which neither of Masch and Poulsen will ever come close to having.

And in all of this player circus we are not getting in a penny to improve our squad.
Ngog to lead the line if(when) Torres becomes injured.
Set up for a one attack system the whole season with little options even there was a whole summer to fix it.

Just great. Ngog is midtable material ffs. And some expects top 4.... 

[maguskwt]

so there you go... not all's rosy yet.

Lets not forgot what Roy's up against:

He has less money to spend to build his own squad than our previous manager did.
Due to the World Cup pre-season wasn't the ideal time to get his new players up to speed.
His opening two fixtures on top of that are a baptism of fire.
He has to also try and pick up the morale from the disappointments of last season.

Yet,

He's genuinely been a breath of fresh air in the media, he's under no illusions either (many said he'd merely be a 'yes man'). He's handled transfer dealings very well in this short amount of time...

He's signed the type of 'creative' player (J.Cole) that the previous manager would never have considered, yet we're still bemoaning a lack of creativity ?

He's signed an international midfielder who will add something Lucas lacks.

He's retained the services of Torres and Gerrard and indirectly Kuyt and Mascha when predictions bythe doomers were thick and fast they'd be a mass exodus of players leaving after Rafa's sacking.

So while we know everything isn't rosy, it's still early days the signs IMO are promising considering last season and yet not everything is doom and gloom as much as some of the Nanny's on here would have you believe.

no one's denying the challenges he face sunshine...

but forgive me for not waxing lyrical of Roy's achievements as if he was a feckin saviour. FFS he hasn't even won a league game yet and people talk as if he has won us silverware. 

Disclaimer: I am NOT anti-Roy. I will be waxing lyrical about Roy if he won us a Europa Cup, or the FA Cup, or God forbid the league in his first season. If that happens please don't complain that I'm a pro.

[Bad Bob]

I think it's way too early to cast any sort of definitive judgment on Roy's tenure so far given the fact that:

1) the transfer window is still open
2) we've barely kicked a ball yet

The latter relates to the former, obviously, because we don't yet have the total picture of who Roy will have at his disposal and how he'll deploy them.  There seems to be a lot of hand-wringing about losing Aquilani and about adding the likes of Poulsen instead of a striker but there's still some time to run in the transfer window and we don't know what other transactions Roy has in mind.  Things will start to look a little different, for instance, if we bring in that big Swedish striker or if Masch goes to Barca with Hleb coming the other way, as has been mooted in the press.  (Not that I put any real stock in such speculation ).  Once the window closes, we'll see who we've got and then--over the next couple of months--we'll see how Roy plans to use them.  Will it be silky on the deck football or kick and rush?  We don't really know yet.  Personally, I plan to let Roy well and truly get his feet wet before I start deciding whether, say, spending 4.5 million on Poulsen was folly or whether loaning out the Aqua-man means we're going to struggle for creativity.  Patience lads.

[Igor Zidane]

Bam insists on harping back to the previous managers tenure. Some of us who supported the previous manger whole heartedly are moving on . He however doesn't seem to be able to , so if he wants us to judge roy by the previous manager it's dead easy to . I can do that no problem on an internet forum ,i can argue the toss as much as he wants . What he needs to do is stop comparing and leave this manager to get on with trying to do his job , with all the  monetary constraints the previous manager had and more .

[RED BEERGOGGLES]

I must say given the impatience of Todays modern fans ...I would have to say in all honesty Roy has little if any room for error ...indeed if the truth be known he has a relatively thankless task in trying to transform Liverpool's fortunes ...whilst at the same time attempting to stamp his own philosophies and shape to the team .....lets not forget as we were reliably informed Last Season that if any other manager took the reins with the team Rafa had at his disposal  then they would have an embarrassment of riches and would utilise them far more effectively and  practically sweep all before them

[In and Out]

Bam insists on harping back to the previous managers tenure. Some of us who supported the previous manger whole heartedly are moving on . He however doesn't seem to be able to , so if he wants us to judge roy by the previous manager it's dead easy to . I can do that no problem on an internet forum ,i can argue the toss as much as he wants . What he needs to do is stop comparing and leave this manager to get on with trying to do his job , with all the  monetary constraints the previous manager had and more .

Er wait a minute Igor, it's Magusksk or whatever the feck his name is and a few others (BtN) and so on who are already pulling the knives out about this that and the other concerning Roy. Yet, these people if memory serves me correctly backed and argued the indefensible where our previous manager was concerned. Simply put, they're bitter the manager who left us in 7th place has gone and hasn't been replaced by a BIG name manager.

[maguskwt]

Bam insists on harping back to the previous managers tenure. Some of us who supported the previous manger whole heartedly are moving on . He however doesn't seem to be able to , so if he wants us to judge roy by the previous manager it's dead easy to . I can do that no problem on an internet forum ,i can argue the toss as much as he wants . What he needs to do is stop comparing and leave this manager to get on with trying to do his job , with all the  monetary constraints the previous manager had and more .

Er wait a minute Igor, it's Magusksk or whatever the feck his name is and a few others (BtN) and so on who are already pulling the knives out about this that and the other concerning Roy. Yet, these people if memory serves me correctly backed and argued the indefensible where our previous manager was concerned. Simply put, they're bitter the manager who left us in 7th place has gone and hasn't been replaced by a BIG name manager.

I've already made my stance known about Roy the current manager and Rafa our previous manager in Bigmick's "Roy's LFC Team how's it evolving" thread LONG TIME AGO. I've already said that Roy is our CURRENT manager and Rafa has arleady moved on. In fact I rarely mention Rafa nowadays compared to you and bigmick who is always comparing Roy to Rafa...

So look who's talking...  funniest post ever...

[In and Out]

F.ucking hell the overeaction on here concerning the loan of Aqua and buying Poulsen and not selling Mascha is unfeckinbelievable it really is.

Firstly, lets take a look at the Aqua situation. Rafa left Roy a flop, neither it seems, think or thought Aqua was up to the task. Personally I think the lad has ability but lacks the physical demands of the Prem. They're my thoughts, Roy's might be totally different. He's brought in J.Cole and again it seems he wants to play him in the hole. Where is Aqua going to fit in, realistically? The Poulsen signing comes in here now and so does retaining Masha's services.

Mascha and Poulsen could be the axis of our central midfield and Gerrard can shift into the hole, where does Aqua fit in realistically? He doesn't, signing Poulsen gives Roy more options than the narrow minded on here think. Put it this way I wouldn't be surprised with Cole's suspension that Gerrard is moved into Cole's role and Poulsen and Mascha are paired up in the center against Citeh.

Moaning though doesn't stop there for some does it, no, we've bought Poulsen and failed to sell Mascha Feck it, maybe Roy should have done a 'Rafa' sold the player first and then scramble around in the market and panic buy like he did with Pennant or Aqua - both really worked out didn't they. Roy sensibly went for a safe bet, with the money he had, from the sale of Yossi or whatever, he went out and brought an experienced international midfielder for peanuts. That's better business in my view, you don't sell stars first, if you've then got to dilly dally around in the transfer market panicking.

So what? We've kept hold of Mascha-is it really that bad? fu.ck no! Firstly, if Inter do not meet our evaluation on the player then tough fecking s.hit. You lot should be happy Roy isn't being made to sell a quality international for peanuts! Therefore it's hardly ROy's fault Inter can't afford the fee we've quoted, TOUGH. Many have said he's a mercinary- but he's a proffesional mercinary and I and many others like him, he's a fecking quality player and if he produces performances like he did against Arsenal while wanting away, I don't give a feck. Like I said this gives Roy the option of playing him and Poulsen in midfield with Gerrard in the hole, where does Aqua fit in? When Cole is back he'll slot back in and midfield can be adjusted if need be.

TEAM exemplars


                                    Reina

                 Johnson   Carra   Skertel     Agger

                             Poulsen Mascha

                Kuyt             Gerrard           Jovanovic

                                   Torres



                                   Reina

              Johnson    Carra    Skertel      Agger

                           Gerrard    Mascha/Poulsen

              Kuyt               Cole               Jovo

                                 Torres


Either fecking way those sides above are more creative than the set-up we played last season, just wait for it to click you bunch of ole women!

Masch and Poulsen as the 2 cm?

Are you kidding me or has last season learnt us nothing?
And I don't buy Aqua as a flop. He was a flop signing but he showed great promise and good creativty and abilty when he played last season. Which neither of Masch and Poulsen will ever come close to having.

And in all of this player circus we are not getting in a penny to improve our squad.
Ngog to lead the line if(when) Torres becomes injured.
Set up for a one attack system the whole season with little options even there was a whole summer to fix it.

Just great. Ngog is midtable material ffs. And some expects top 4.... 

Well it can't be any worse than Lucas and Masch now can it.

[Penguins]

No, but it is still 2 dm and a negative tactic that will once again cost us dearly when we are trying to break down teams.

Just throwing away a player with great offensive upside and a full preseason under his belt is madness when looking at the alternatives at cm. Masch, Poulsen, Lucas....
dm, dm, dm... so damn negative and will never work.
That is deploying an "afraid to loose mentality"!

[bigmick]

This is an odd thread with some odd posts. I think everyone should take a few days off and then come back, it does wonders for clarity of thought.

On Aquilani. He isn't/wasn't good enough to get into the team. This was the case both when Rafa was manager, when Roy is manager, and if 90% of us on here were the manager. He isn't good enough to get into the team ahead of Gerard/Masherano/Cole and Poulsen (IMHO the last one). We oughtn't to have bought him in the first place obviously, but now we have we've got to try and rescue something from the wreckage. Obviously a sell on would be the best option, but nobody wants to buy him (see earlier prognosis about how good he actually is). Therefore loaning him out isn't a bad shout. I'd prefer to flog him off obviously, but there are no buyers.

On Roy Hodgson so far. Net/Gross/take away the number you first thought of/buy someone for 20 mill and then sell him for 12 and it's only cost you 1 mill etc etc, it doesn't matter how you look at it, he hasn't got any money to work with. I'm not going to harp back to Rafa because he's gone (no seriously, he has) but I am going to hark back to some of the people on here who denied the sky was blue if it suited them. Roy has basically spent no money at all, he has persuaded Gerrard to stay, Torres to stay, has had a hand in Masherano staying, has persuaded Cole to sign and hasn't lost a game yet. On what measure exactly is he doing anything other than a decent job?

[In and Out]

No, but it is still 2 dm and a negative tactic that will once again cost us dearly when we are trying to break down teams.

Just throwing away a player with great offensive upside and a full preseason under his belt is madness when looking at the alternatives at cm. Masch, Poulsen, Lucas....
dm, dm, dm... so damn negative and will never work.
That is deploying an "afraid to loose mentality"!

Don't forget though, Gerrard will more than likely be playing there for the bulk of the season. I don't really see what the problem is.

As for Aqua, well the gaffer didn't fancy him and with J.Cole in again I don't see what the problem is.