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[lakes10]

ok so are we going down this season and who do you think the next manager will be?



are you angry with my post?   then good!

I am shocked by some of the post on this forum, going by them you would think we have lost our first five game and in the bottom 3

we have not even kicked a ball in the prem yet it seems most on here thing the manager is getting it all wrong, some are saying even the warm up games are wrong and the manager is to blame for   Reina going and one of our star players, both had made their own links with other teams, do you think Reina would have turned down Barcelona? NEVER, he is just unhappy the deal did not happen and they never come for him, so why should we keep players that don't wish to be here.

in short stop being so bloody negative and give our team and manager a chance, we have not even kicked off yet.....we are not west ham fans you know.

[Benny The Noon]

Lakes - can you remember how you used to post when Rafa was our manager and how negative you were when we were only getting into the top 4 !

Can you remember how you used to demand that Rafa leave so that we could get someone in who would concentrate on winning the league as opposed to doing well in the CL.

Can you remember blaming Rafa for the demise of our club because he prioritised Europe.

Bet you wish we could go back to those days eh ? Instead of scrapping around for cheap signings and battling out for 5/6th place

[lakes10]

Lakes - can you remember how you used to post when Rafa was our manager and how negative you were when we were only getting into the top 4 !

Can you remember how you used to demand that Rafa leave so that we could get someone in who would concentrate on winning the league as opposed to doing well in the CL.

Can you remember blaming Rafa for the demise of our club because he prioritised Europe.

Bet you wish we could go back to those days eh ? Instead of scrapping around for cheap signings and battling out for 5/6th place

as you say my views on Rafa are well known but at the start of each season I still backed him. This season it seems most fans here and on RAWK have made their mind up that our manager needs to go and we need new owners and I am very shocked by that.

[Benny The Noon]

You never backed him Lakes - lets be honest here you were demanding he was gone every season.

Yes people do want new owners - I want them to either show real intent and ambition to get us into the CL, instead of cutting the wage bill and costs as a priority. If they can't show that ambition or intent then sell up. Also would like Ayre gone and replaced by a DoF. It was Gerrards testimonial at the weekend followed by Charity dinner and the Chairman of Olympiakos wrote a wonderful letter - we have had nothing from our owners nor an appearance.

As for BR - I don't think he is good enough as a manager , I don't think he has the man management skills or the transfer market ability to attract the quality we need. I think he is an excellent coach though. That's where a DoF comes in - to help with the man management and player purchase.

BR gets a second season but if we don't move forward enough then his position should be looked at.

It's hard to look positive for the forthcoming season when the teams above us like Spurs are signing top quality players to strengthen themselves and move further away from us.

Also this summer there has been a number of statements from the manager that have contridicted the actions.

[devaney]

Lakes - can you remember how you used to post when Rafa was our manager and how negative you were when we were only getting into the top 4 !

Can you remember how you used to demand that Rafa leave so that we could get someone in who would concentrate on winning the league as opposed to doing well in the CL.

Can you remember blaming Rafa for the demise of our club because he prioritised Europe.

Bet you wish we could go back to those days eh ? Instead of scrapping around for cheap signings and battling out for 5/6th place

as you say my views on Rafa are well known but at the start of each season I still backed him. This season it seems most fans here and on RAWK have made their mind up that our manager needs to go and we need new owners and I am very shocked by that.

Well for all the good memories Rafa certainly left a few behind that we could have done without: the complete mis-management of Alonso - buying Keane - nearly £20m for Aquilani to name just a few. He was a great guy but towards the end of his tenure he was losing it. Inter was a disaster for him and just look at how long it has taken him to get back to managing at a reasonable level.

[Benny The Noon]

Rafa was without a job for 24 months and then came back and won another European trophy

Rafa isn't the first nor will be the last to have signings that didnt work out. Being sacked by a club is also not the domain of just Rafa - our own manager was also fired from one club after a couple of months .

Rafa had us at the top level of European Club football - a mile away from where we are now

[RED BEERGOGGLES]

fuck sake this is slowly crawling beyond the pale now 

[Greavesie]

Jaysus lads, a post to support the gaffer and the lads turns into a debate that's over 3 years old? Give it a rest

Regardless of Lakes' past views on Rafa, he's right, we have to get behind the lads and support them. It's easy to point the finger for reasons behind where we are now but we're here now and that's no fault of the current owners or Mr Rodgers. We have to deal with it and support the lads to get us out of it. You Reds!! 

[Benny The Noon]

I'm sorry but yes where we are now is also down to the current owners and manager as well not just the previous owners and management.

It will be three years in Nov since they arrived - 3 years - that's longer than G&H were at the club and we have moved nowhere.

[Penguins]

Lakes - can you remember how you used to post when Rafa was our manager and how negative you were when we were only getting into the top 4 !

Can you remember how you used to demand that Rafa leave so that we could get someone in who would concentrate on winning the league as opposed to doing well in the CL.

Can you remember blaming Rafa for the demise of our club because he prioritised Europe.

Bet you wish we could go back to those days eh ? Instead of scrapping around for cheap signings and battling out for 5/6th place

Agree 100 %

[aCe']

As for BR - I don't think he is good enough as a manager , I don't think he has the man management skills or the transfer market ability to attract the quality we need. I think he is an excellent coach though. That's where a DoF comes in - to help with the man management and player purchase.

BR gets a second season but if we don't move forward enough then his position should be looked at.

It's hard to look positive for the forthcoming season when the teams above us like Spurs are signing top quality players to strengthen themselves and move further away from us.

I fully agree with this part. I think we need(ed?) to see a big signing this summer to improve our starting 11 and make a real push for the top4. We still have big holes -imo- in the starting 11 (Toure and Downing) but the squad and foundation is there for the club to take things to the next level. Whether BR has the ambition and belief to take risks and pay big money to improve the starting 11 rather than the squad remains to be seen.

[Greavesie]

Sell the club to a sugar daddy and sack Rodgers. It's on

[ycsatbjywtbiastkamb]

the way i see it it could go 2 ways.
if we lose suarez and maybe even agger i think we`ll struggle big time, to lose those 2 in the same window would crush the morale within the squad, but if we manage to keep hold of both of them and bring in a couple of first team type players like papadopolous and costa we could well surprise a few people next season and i`m not just talking about top 4.

                                                  mingolet

      johnson              papadopolous        agger             enrique

                                         lucas           gerrard

                                                coutinho

                               costa        sturridge      suarez 

that side could do a lot of damage next season, especially given our fixtures.

[RED BEERGOGGLES]

the way i see it it could go 2 ways.
if we lose suarez and maybe even agger i think we`ll struggle big time, to lose those 2 in the same window would crush the morale within the squad, but if we manage to keep hold of both of them and bring in a couple of first team type players like papadopolous and costa we could well surprise a few people next season and i`m not just talking about top 4.

                                                  mingolet

      johnson              papadopolous        agger             enrique

                                         lucas           gerrard

                                                coutinho

                               costa        sturridge      suarez 

that side could do a lot of damage next season, especially given our fixtures.

That's a mouthwatering line up mate.

[JC_81]

I don't think you can blame some people for being on a bit of a downer.  It depends how you look at things.  If you look at the negatives then we appear to be replacing high earners with bargain buys without much of a net spend in the transfer market, suggesting either we don't have the money or we lack ambition.  On top of that our best player has spent the summer publicly embarrassing us by saying he wants out and to rub salt in the wounds is even considering a sideways step to Arsenal, which would seriously dent our top 4 chances given they are currently the most vulnerable of the CL teams.  We've lost Reina, Carra has retired, Carroll has been shipped at a huge loss, Skrtel is being linked with a daft loan move and Agger is now being linked with Barce.  On top of that we haven't really addressed two of the weaknesses most fans agreed on from last season - the lack of some athleticism in midfield and a dominant centre back.  We are also coming off the back of a 7th place finish, have an inexperienced manager and some of the teams around us have already heavily strengthened for next season.  Even more worryingly there have been absolutely no developments in terms of the stadium issue.  Feeling like slitting your wrists yet?  Don't.

There are also plenty of positives and different views you can take on the above issues.  We no longer have asset-stripping owners, but ones who are in it for the long haul.  Having written off a lot of our debt they are now balancing our wage structure, building a younger squad and cutting players who were living on reputation and no longer value for money.  We are preparing for FFP and look in a good position from that point of view, while some of our rivals who are ignoring it could stand to be docked points or banned from European competition in the near future.  We have improved our attacking options immeasurably in the last 12 months and Rodgers' scouting system appeared to be in good shape last January with Coutinho (a future world star and 30+ million asset) and Sturridge looking great buys.  This summer's buys are as yet unproven in a red shirt but all have looked good in pre-season at least, so should be afforded a chance at least before being written off.  We are playing hardball over Suarez and at best he will stay, at worst he will go for 50+ million - probably allowing us to bring in Costa and another marquee signing.  You could also say we have one of the best young managers around who had us playing great passing football second half of last season, showing good man management (Downing and Henderson), tactical flexibility and good media handling skills (Suarez v Ivanovic).  To top that we have a 100% record pre-season without conceding a goal and that's without Sturridge featuring and without Suarez starting a game.  On our post-Christmas form last year we'd have got top 4 and there's no reason to think we can't do it this year, especially if we get off to a good start this time.  Personally I can't wait for the season to start because I think we'll be pleasantly surprised.