Owen hargreaves - Sign him

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Postby murphy0151 » Sun May 30, 2004 9:14 am

Santa wrote:I don't think tackling is one of Hargraves' strong point. He might bring something else to the table but I don't rate him highly enough. As for Owen goal scoring record...are you testifying that Hargraves is that good a tackler? Maybe I am missing something here?

Point being M Owen's job is to score goals.  An O Hargreave's job being a defensive mid player is to defend ie tackling. 

Am guessing you havent seen much, his tackling is spot on mate.  Its about 110 percent better than Danny Murphys, then again thats not saying much reallly is it.  :;):
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Postby bpm1976 » Sun May 30, 2004 12:19 pm

Stevie G is probably our most effective attacking player across the middle,I would see Hargreaves as a positive signing, however I think we could do better. Joe Cole im not 100 percent sure of, maybe its cos he hasnt had real run in the Chelsea team, its just he has never really scored on a regular basis and his final pass is why he is a so nearly player.  Has been talk he was to be loaned out last season, that would be an ideal option. For me, its Mendieta!
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Postby 115-1073096938 » Sun May 30, 2004 1:46 pm

If we where to buy Joe Cole that would mean that SG would have to play the Hamann role.  He's far more effective when playing with Hamann than when hes been playing with Danny Murphy this is because he get's a license to make forward runs. 

Dont any off you think we need a player who is an expert a free kicks, I do personnaly.  If there is one thing SG is bad at its free kicks, every free kick we get I know its going over or its an easy save for the keeper.  Dont get me wrong SG corners or spot on but free kicks we need someone else.   An I have seen Owen Hargreaves take some wonderfull free kicks for Bayern.  Id say hes not far behind Beckham on the free kicks.  Havent any off you seen his free kicks chaps?   

If not Owen Hargreaves we need someone who is world class at taking free kicks.  Someone like Gary Mc. Hes got no hair and we dont care Gary Gary mac.


Some people don't half talk garbage.

Stop talking about Diamond formations. Its ******. End of. You don't HAVE to have an attacking midfielder and a defensive one. You have two central midfielders, one is strong in one area the other strong in another area.

Thats where the main problems stem from. When we played a flat 4-4-2 in the 2001-2002 season its no coincidence we had our best season.

As for making attacking runs, he does that anyways. Gerrards natural game is defensive. Tackling, work rate, aggression. You tell Gerrard to simply go out and play your own game. He'll attack and defend as and when is needed. He should have a creative midfielders with skill next to him. Not another battler. Gerrards best qualities are defensive. FACT. we need someone with  great flair, vision and technique next to him. Not another friggin work horse.

As i've said in the past, we've got our Giggs in the shape of Kewell, weve got our Keane in the shape of Gerrard... we now need our Scholes and Beckham type players. Thats the mould of midfield you need to be successfull in this league. Hargreaves isn't the same sort of players as Scholes or Beckham. End of.
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Postby Santa » Sun May 30, 2004 3:22 pm

I agree stu. Who will be or can we sign to fill in those two positions?
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Postby murphy0151 » Sun May 30, 2004 4:07 pm

stu_the_red wrote:
If we where to buy Joe Cole that would mean that SG would have to play the Hamann role.  He's far more effective when playing with Hamann than when hes been playing with Danny Murphy this is because he get's a license to make forward runs. 

Dont any off you think we need a player who is an expert a free kicks, I do personnaly.  If there is one thing SG is bad at its free kicks, every free kick we get I know its going over or its an easy save for the keeper.  Dont get me wrong SG corners or spot on but free kicks we need someone else.   An I have seen Owen Hargreaves take some wonderfull free kicks for Bayern.  Id say hes not far behind Beckham on the free kicks.  Havent any off you seen his free kicks chaps?   

If not Owen Hargreaves we need someone who is world class at taking free kicks.  Someone like Gary Mc. Hes got no hair and we dont care Gary Gary mac.


Some people don't half talk garbage.

Stop talking about Diamond formations. Its ******. End of. You don't HAVE to have an attacking midfielder and a defensive one. You have two central midfielders, one is strong in one area the other strong in another area.

Thats where the main problems stem from. When we played a flat 4-4-2 in the 2001-2002 season its no coincidence we had our best season.

As for making attacking runs, he does that anyways. Gerrards natural game is defensive. Tackling, work rate, aggression. You tell Gerrard to simply go out and play your own game. He'll attack and defend as and when is needed. He should have a creative midfielders with skill next to him. Not another battler. Gerrards best qualities are defensive. FACT. we need someone with  great flair, vision and technique next to him. Not another friggin work horse.

As i've said in the past, we've got our Giggs in the shape of Kewell, weve got our Keane in the shape of Gerrard... we now need our Scholes and Beckham type players. Thats the mould of midfield you need to be successfull in this league. Hargreaves isn't the same sort of players as Scholes or Beckham. End of.

Stu I no one thing mate.  Hargreaves is better than every midfield player at our club apart from SG and maybe Kewell on his day.   Then again id say Hamann was better but he's getting on now, hes only going to perform at the top level for maybe another season at most. When I say perform to I mean perform at the standards he's set in the last couple off season's.

Talking Garbage now isint that ironic a, this coming from the fella who said about a week ago that SG was a bluenose.
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Postby 115-1073096938 » Sun May 30, 2004 7:55 pm

Steven Gerrard grew up as an evertonian.

Live with it. Fowler did, Rush did, McManaman did, Owen did, you'll get over it.

He turned up for training every week with an everton kit on. Explain that?
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Postby BOODIDDY » Sun May 30, 2004 9:01 pm

Hargreaves and gerrard would be perfect. Both tackle, distribute well can play anywhere in midfield, attack and create. That is a much better option than the midtable performer hammann. This club is going forwards a nd the team of last year will be broken up.
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Postby cheesecakery » Sun May 30, 2004 9:54 pm

ant gornall wrote:Hargreaves and gerrard would be perfect. Both tackle, distribute well can play anywhere in midfield, attack and create. That is a much better option than the midtable performer hammann. This club is going forwards a nd the team of last year will be broken up.

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Postby Scottbot » Sun May 30, 2004 9:58 pm

Hargreaves is quality but i don't believe we need to buy a player like him unless the new manager cuts Hamman loose. I wouldn't call Hargreaves an out an out defensive midfielder and he does bring versatility but i would also prefer to see a player like Malbranque, Cole or Aimar playing in the middle of the park with Stevie. Hargreaves could probably come in and do a job on the right but we have been playing centre-mids out on the right wing for the couple of years and it hasn't done us much good.
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Postby 115-1073096938 » Sun May 30, 2004 10:53 pm

Saying players "can play" in a position is ******.

You buy a centre mid to play centre mid. Not on the right. Not upfront and not at the back.

The only reason a player should ever play in a "second position" is down to injury or suspension.

Hargreaves is a defensive midfielder. He works hard and gets all over the pitch. However with him and Gerrard in central midfield where is the creativety and guile gonna come from??

While people will sit here and say how good Gerrard is going forward (which he is) he doesn't have world class vision, technique, creative ability and technical ability. We need someone with those as there main strengths to partner Gerrard.

Not another player with the same qualities. Gerrard does the ball winning and protecting of the back 4 in his natural game. We need someone else in there who has good feet, technique, brains and vision to compliment and get the right mix.

You all seem to want attacking football but you constantly suggest players with average attacking abilitys to partner Gerrard.

Gerrard is defensively world class and attacking wise quality but no where near world class. We need someone who is better going forward than Gerrard and someone with more game intelligence, technique and vision than him.

Murphy has better vision and is the TYPE of player we need, only we do need better quality. Gerrard doesn't spot the early through ball as much as someone like Scholes or Murphy or even Cole would, doesn't make late runs into the box which lead to goals and he doesn't have that kind of technical ability either. We need someone who can compliment Gerrards "weaknesses" or we will never move forward.
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Postby supersub » Sun May 30, 2004 11:10 pm

stu_the_red wrote:Saying players "can play" in a position is ******.

You buy a centre mid to play centre mid. Not on the right. Not upfront and not at the back.




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I agree with your sentiments stu,but you supported Gerard Houllier without question,when he played just about every player here,there and everywhere.
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Postby jack66 » Sun May 30, 2004 11:22 pm

stu_the_red wrote:Steven Gerrard grew up as an evertonian.

Live with it. Fowler did, Rush did, McManaman did, Owen did, you'll get over it.

He turned up for training every week with an everton kit on. Explain that?

Where do you get this information from?I have said on this forum before that his old fella would never have let him wear a blue shirt...they are both now and always have been reds.....stop talking ******. :angry:
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Postby Scottbot » Mon May 31, 2004 12:44 am

stu_the_red wrote:Saying players "can play" in a position is ******.

You buy a centre mid to play centre mid. Not on the right. Not upfront and not at the back.

The only reason a player should ever play in a "second position" is down to injury or suspension.

Hargreaves is a defensive midfielder. He works hard and gets all over the pitch. However with him and Gerrard in central midfield where is the creativety and guile gonna come from??

While people will sit here and say how good Gerrard is going forward (which he is) he doesn't have world class vision, technique, creative ability and technical ability. We need someone with those as there main strengths to partner Gerrard.

Not another player with the same qualities. Gerrard does the ball winning and protecting of the back 4 in his natural game. We need someone else in there who has good feet, technique, brains and vision to compliment and get the right mix.

You all seem to want attacking football but you constantly suggest players with average attacking abilitys to partner Gerrard.

Gerrard is defensively world class and attacking wise quality but no where near world class. We need someone who is better going forward than Gerrard and someone with more game intelligence, technique and vision than him.

Murphy has better vision and is the TYPE of player we need, only we do need better quality. Gerrard doesn't spot the early through ball as much as someone like Scholes or Murphy or even Cole would, doesn't make late runs into the box which lead to goals and he doesn't have that kind of technical ability either. We need someone who can compliment Gerrards "weaknesses" or we will never move forward.

[quote] Stu the Red  "Gerrard doesn't spot the early through ball as much as someone like Scholes or Murphy or even Cole would,"

I dunno bout that Stu. The ball for Owens goal against Arsenal at Easter, the ball for Owen against Newcastle (last game) and the ball for Riise's equaliser against ****** last year are just a few that spring to mind.

PS. After 350 odd posts i should know! someone tell me (step by step!) how to bring up a quote in white so i don't have to keep copying and pasting them? (please!)
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Postby Scottbot » Mon May 31, 2004 12:44 am

oops! i think i accidentally figured it out by myself! kind of :)
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Postby murphy0151 » Mon May 31, 2004 9:13 am

jack66 wrote:
stu_the_red wrote:Steven Gerrard grew up as an evertonian.

Live with it. Fowler did, Rush did, McManaman did, Owen did, you'll get over it.

He turned up for training every week with an everton kit on. Explain that?

Where do you get this information from?I have said on this forum before that his old fella would never have let him wear a blue shirt...they are both now and always have been reds.....stop talking ******. :angry:

Jack I have told him but for some reason he dosnt like being told he's wrong.

SG a evertonian as a kid!!!!!!!!! STOP IT WILL YA STU
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