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[ycsatbjywtbiastkamb]

I disagree slightly, AOC is injury prone, it’s just a matter of time before he misses a big chunk of the season and loses his level. We need to use this time as a shop window and I think that last friendly was that. We need to sell Shaq, Origi, Minanino and AOC (we have too much invested in Keita to sell him and I do think he is a good player) as they should generate a good amount we can use for another top player. He’s in good form and we need to get as much as we can for him and same for the others.

I think it would be crackers to sell AOC now Kaz, he has got his pace back and at 27 is in his footballing prime, i think people are forgetting just how good he was and how well he suited Jurgen's system, up until that tackle against Roma in the Champions League semi final he was arguably the best player at the club, because of his MoM performances SKY and BT wanted to constantly talk to him as well and because he backed up his performances on the pitch with similar ones with the microphone in hand I remember fans clamouring for him to be our captain. That was the impact he was making. He was absolutely outstanding in the QF's against City which were 2 huge, huge games at the time as well.
Is that Chamberlain back? Hard to say, his injury was a bad un but he looks as close as he ever has done to that 2018 version of himself, and if he is back, and we sell him, well a genuine title challenge or tilt at the CL could well be walking out the door with him. At his best he was that effective.

[Penguins]

I disagree slightly, AOC is injury prone, it’s just a matter of time before he misses a big chunk of the season and loses his level. We need to use this time as a shop window and I think that last friendly was that. We need to sell Shaq, Origi, Minanino and AOC (we have too much invested in Keita to sell him and I do think he is a good player) as they should generate a good amount we can use for another top player. He’s in good form and we need to get as much as we can for him and same for the others.

Shaq, Origi and Minamino will yield way less than you might think. Shaq and Origi and on high wages, Minamino just isn't good enough so don't expect anything more than 20-25 million for those 3. While I agree that it is time to sell AOC it's hard to get value for him as everyone knows he is injury prone. And if he plays and does well and doesn't get injured you'd want to keep him.
And no, Keita is garbage compared to what he cost and the quicker the team comes to that realisation the better as he value will just continue to plummet. It was a massive fail as he was a shyte investment and sometimes it's better to hold up your hands and admit that.

And to not say we've got an aging squad is really to put on those rose tinted glasses. If you look at REALITY and check which players that actually played for the 1st team last season and will next season(not some fantasy about some youngsters all of a sudden breaking into the team) the players that played are reasonably on the older side. TAA, Jota and Konate are the exceptions.

Alisson 29 in a couple of months
VVD 30
Robertson 27
Fabinho 28 in a couple of months
Matip 30
Thiago 30
Milner 35
Henderson 31
Ox 28
Firminho 30 in a couple of months
mane 29
Salah 29

Who are you kidding here? That is a team with an aging core...

[kazza]

Alisson 29 in a couple of months —————- in his prime and will play until 38
VVD 30 —————- in his prime and will play until 35
Robertson 27 —————- in his prime and will play until 32
Fabinho 28 in a couple of months —————- in his prime and will play until 32
Matip 30 —————- in his prime and will play until 35
Thiago 30 —————- in his prime and will play until 33
Milner 35 —————- in his prime and will play until 108 
Henderson 31 —————- in his prime but tick tock
Ox 28 —————- in his prime and will play until 32 although highly injury prone
Firminho 30 in a couple of months —————- in his prime and will play until 32
mane 29 —————- in his prime and will play until 32
Salah 29 —————- in his prime and will play until 32

When I say play I mean at the top level, injuries considered of course

[Lallana in Pyjamas]

I disagree slightly, AOC is injury prone, it’s just a matter of time before he misses a big chunk of the season and loses his level. We need to use this time as a shop window and I think that last friendly was that. We need to sell Shaq, Origi, Minanino and AOC (we have too much invested in Keita to sell him and I do think he is a good player) as they should generate a good amount we can use for another top player. He’s in good form and we need to get as much as we can for him and same for the others.

Shaq, Origi and Minamino will yield way less than you might think. Shaq and Origi and on high wages, Minamino just isn't good enough so don't expect anything more than 20-25 million for those 3. While I agree that it is time to sell AOC it's hard to get value for him as everyone knows he is injury prone. And if he plays and does well and doesn't get injured you'd want to keep him.
And no, Keita is garbage compared to what he cost and the quicker the team comes to that realisation the better as he value will just continue to plummet. It was a massive fail as he was a shyte investment and sometimes it's better to hold up your hands and admit that.

And to not say we've got an aging squad is really to put on those rose tinted glasses. If you look at REALITY and check which players that actually played for the 1st team last season and will next season(not some fantasy about some youngsters all of a sudden breaking into the team) the players that played are reasonably on the older side. TAA, Jota and Konate are the exceptions.

Alisson 29 in a couple of months
VVD 30
Robertson 27
Fabinho 28 in a couple of months
Matip 30
Thiago 30
Milner 35
Henderson 31
Ox 28
Firminho 30 in a couple of months
mane 29
Salah 29

Who are you kidding here? That is a team with an aging core...

Aging ?! Since when is having most of the players in their prime aging !!


We have Milner who’s fitness is as good as a 30 year old and Henderson 31 - most of those players have 4 years minimum at the top level

[Penguins]

Those players are a couple of seasons from having their values more than halved!
Sure, they'll be good for the next 3-4 years.... AND THEN WHAT?

Then they are ALL finished with ZERO resale value and ZERO income for the club.

It doesn't take too many braincells to realize how bad things could turn in 3-4 years.
HOW do you think those kinds of players will be replaced? ALMOST ALL OF them will need replacing within a couple of years with owners that won't spend a penny of their on money.
Who cares what happens in 3-4 years right? Somehow money will rain down from the sky and keep the club at the top or all of them will age like Milner...
Such utter delusion....

[Eagle]

Those players are a couple of seasons from having their values more than halved!
Sure, they'll be good for the next 3-4 years.... AND THEN WHAT?

Then they are ALL finished with ZERO resale value and ZERO income for the club.

It doesn't take too many braincells to realize how bad things could turn in 3-4 years.
HOW do you think those kinds of players will be replaced? ALMOST ALL OF them will need replacing within a couple of years with owners that won't spend a penny of their on money.
Who cares what happens in 3-4 years right? Somehow money will rain down from the sky and keep the club at the top or all of them will age like Milner...
Such utter delusion....

[Penguins]

Well, at least sticking your head in the sand is A form of a response....

[devaney]

Penguins  - Mate you’ve nearly worn out the drum !! FSG like all companies make mistakes. The ridiculous planned increase in ticket prices that was boycotted by the fans certainly to mind. The recent ESL debacle which included Arsenal and Spurs was a total embarrassment best forgotten.

There have been downsides since FSG arrived but in all honesty they pale into insignificance compared to their successes. The ground expansion programme has been a phenomenal success which will cost upwards of £200m. The incredible new training facility in Kirkby has cost over £60m. The development of commercial partners has been nothing short of incredible. Having a vision that Juergen Klopp was happy to sign up to was an amazing achievement. And let’s face it Klopp could have gone almost anywhere !! H & G gave us Roy as their parting gift !! FSG put in a system headed by Edwards that has created incredible success in the transfer market which helped to create a team that went onto win the league for the first time in 30 years and bring home another Champions League title and with a bit of luck it could have been two. This was all achieved through sound management and not simply getting the cheque out which frankly is a tad boring. FSG run a very successful profitable and sustainable  business. If they sold LFC tomorrow for upwards of £2b I certainly wouldn’t begrudge them their success. It is very difficult to recognise what exists today as the business FSG bought for £300m back in October 2010 which was days away from bankruptcy.

I fully appreciate that there are fans that find it extremely difficult to accept exactly what FSG have achieved. Unfortunately in a lot of cases that is because It doesn’t fit with their own outdated agenda and how they regard American businessmen. The Glazer’s very successfully gave American club ownership a very bad name. Massive debt. A decaying ground. Very limited success in the last 8 years. Spending  over £1b net in the transfer market during the last 10 years. In the last ten years except for one year they have recorded losses or minimal profits. To cap all that rather than invest in the club the Glazer’s fill their pockets with substantial dividends. Stan Kroenke probably comes a close second to the Glazer’s. FSG can not be compared with these parasites.

Three words for the non believers: KEEP THE FAITH

[woof woof !]

Those players are a couple of seasons from having their values more than halved!
Sure, they'll be good for the next 3-4 years.... AND THEN WHAT?

Then they are ALL finished with ZERO resale value and ZERO income for the club.

It doesn't take too many braincells to realize how bad things could turn in 3-4 years.
HOW do you think those kinds of players will be replaced? ALMOST ALL OF them will need replacing within a couple of years with owners that won't spend a penny of their on money.
Who cares what happens in 3-4 years right? Somehow money will rain down from the sky and keep the club at the top or all of them will age like Milner...
Such utter delusion....

  Case closed .

[Lallana in Pyjamas]

Penguins  - Mate you’ve nearly worn out the drum !! FSG like all companies make mistakes. The ridiculous planned increase in ticket prices that was boycotted by the fans certainly to mind. The recent ESL debacle which included Arsenal and Spurs was a total embarrassment best forgotten.

There have been downsides since FSG arrived but in all honesty they pale into insignificance compared to their successes. The ground expansion programme has been a phenomenal success which will cost upwards of £200m. The incredible new training facility in Kirkby has cost over £60m. The development of commercial partners has been nothing short of incredible. Having a vision that Juergen Klopp was happy to sign up to was an amazing achievement. And let’s face it Klopp could have gone almost anywhere !! H & G gave us Roy as their parting gift !! FSG put in a system headed by Edwards that has created incredible success in the transfer market which helped to create a team that went onto win the league for the first time in 30 years and bring home another Champions League title and with a bit of luck it could have been two. This was all achieved through sound management and not simply getting the cheque out which frankly is a tad boring. FSG run a very successful profitable and sustainable  business. If they sold LFC tomorrow for upwards of £2b I certainly wouldn’t begrudge them their success. It is very difficult to recognise what exists today as the business FSG bought for £300m back in October 2010 which was days away from bankruptcy.

I fully appreciate that there are fans that find it extremely difficult to accept exactly what FSG have achieved. Unfortunately in a lot of cases that is because It doesn’t fit with their own outdated agenda and how they regard American businessmen. The Glazer’s very successfully gave American club ownership a very bad name. Massive debt. A decaying ground. Very limited success in the last 8 years. Spending  over £1b net in the transfer market during the last 10 years. In the last ten years except for one year they have recorded losses or minimal profits. To cap all that rather than invest in the club the Glazer’s fill their pockets with substantial dividends. Stan Kroenke probably comes a close second to the Glazer’s. FSG can not be compared with these parasites.

Three words for the non believers: KEEP THE FAITH

Very well said

[Penguins]

[quote="devaney » Sun Aug 15, 2021 11:41 am"]Penguins  - Mate you’ve nearly worn out the drum !! FSG like all companies make mistakes. The ridiculous planned increase in ticket prices that was boycotted by the fans certainly to mind. The recent ESL debacle which included Arsenal and Spurs was a total embarrassment best forgotten.

There have been downsides since FSG arrived but in all honesty they pale into insignificance compared to their successes. The ground expansion programme has been a phenomenal success which will cost upwards of £200m. The incredible new training facility in Kirkby has cost over £60m. The development of commercial partners has been nothing short of incredible. Having a vision that Juergen Klopp was happy to sign up to was an amazing achievement. And let’s face it Klopp could have gone almost anywhere !! H & G gave us Roy as their parting gift !! FSG put in a system headed by Edwards that has created incredible success in the transfer market which helped to create a team that went onto win the league for the first time in 30 years and bring home another Champions League title and with a bit of luck it could have been two. This was all achieved through sound management and not simply getting the cheque out which frankly is a tad boring. FSG run a very successful profitable and sustainable  business. If they sold LFC tomorrow for upwards of £2b I certainly wouldn’t begrudge them their success. It is very difficult to recognise what exists today as the business FSG bought for £300m back in October 2010 which was days away from bankruptcy.

I fully appreciate that there are fans that find it extremely difficult to accept exactly what FSG have achieved. Unfortunately in a lot of cases that is because It doesn’t fit with their own outdated agenda and how they regard American businessmen. The Glazer’s very successfully gave American club ownership a very bad name. Massive debt. A decaying ground. Very limited success in the last 8 years. Spending  over £1b net in the transfer market during the last 10 years. In the last ten years except for one year they have recorded losses or minimal profits. To cap all that rather than invest in the club the Glazer’s fill their pockets with substantial dividends. Stan Kroenke probably comes a close second to the Glazer’s. FSG can not be compared with these parasites.

Make mistakes? Is that what we're acalling it...
They have been absolutely horrible as owners from day 1. What have THAY actually done?
1 THING during their entire tenure. Signing Klopp. The rest has been an absolute shitshow. They have shown their true colours enough to show what they're all about.
You might forgive their superleague antics but that just laid everything bare. They'd sell the club to a clown as long as they got paid. They don't give a ***** about the wellbeing of the club and have gotten lucky that Klopp turned Countinho into the player he was so we could get some class players in. Otherwise we would be down Sh*t creek without a paddle.
Everythin right now might look rosy but in a few years we're in deep dodo and it wouldnät surprise me if they sell up and sneak out the backdoor when things will be turning sour...

[Lallana in Pyjamas]

Can you not see those new stands around the stadium ?


The new training ground ?


The huge increase in commercial value that allows us to bring in players like VVD and then keep them ?

Winning titles and CL

Can you not remember what the club was like the day before they bought us

Team in the bottom half of the Prem , significant amount of bank debt , under the control of RBS

Christ you are f*cking clueless

[Reg]

H&G were a disaster, the Moores family were unable to support the club beyond their limited means.

When I Iook around the league most owners fail fan expectation, but FSG have been reliable provider of transfer funds, dependable guardians of our club and have invested in infrastructure to compete with any other top club - training ground and stadium. ManU have wasted hundreds of millions on useless players, spent nothing on OT and its now 9 seasons since they last won, yet their debt is massive.  City and Chelsea have limitless funds. Arsenal have collapsed. Spurs have never matched their potential.

In the last 17 seasons only 5 clubs have won the EPL. Of those Leicester and LFC just once, the other 15 by City, Utd and the Chavs, all extremely cash rich clubs. Leicester are struggling to become a regular top side whereas FSG have taken us back to the top to compete with the 3 money bags teams basis proper financial management whilst growing the club revenue, assets (stadium etc..) and raising the value of the club to 2 billion. Our financial position in 5 years time will still be solid whereas Utd will fail (like Barca and RM) and hopefully the arabs will get bored at City and Abramovich will end up fleeing the country.

How you can criticise FSG is beyond me.

[Eagle]

Many of those who were part of the campaigning at the time Hicks and Gillett owned the club, including the Spirit of Shankly representatives, sat down and talked to John Henry face to face and when asked, said they just want to see the club run itself and live within its means. And that's been the tone of the ownership ever since. We've been lucky to have been very well run. It's what's got us to this point and given some fans a license to act like spoilt brats.

[kazza]

Correct