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Postby 7_Kewell » Thu Mar 01, 2018 11:47 pm

Pig Catcher » Thu Feb 01, 2018 10:45 am wrote:But it's quite well documented that Klopp is happy to keep his power dry if he can't get the player he wants. He has said so many times himself. If you look at the last set of accounts, we only have 4mil in the bank and the 3rd highest wage bill in the league. So the board are making what money we have available. If there is an operational issue around transfers, then that's mainly at the feet of Klopp and the recruitment team, and this probably isn't the thread to discuss it.

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Postby Reg » Fri Mar 02, 2018 12:53 am

kazza » Thu Mar 01, 2018 11:46 pm wrote:"We continue to work up design, capacity and economic viability options for Anfield Road working with an architect to help with that process.

"This follows the same comprehensive process we followed with the Main Stand expansion."

This is great news but to a large extent we have no choice as all top 6-8 clubs now have high revenue earning stadiums, we have to keep up.

What seems interesting is that they're not just talking about an extension but a significant capacity increasing rebuild, after the Annie Road there' only the Kop left to increase capacity any further so they have to expand the Annie Rd as much as possible.
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Postby Ghost of Shankly » Fri Mar 02, 2018 9:33 pm

Even after the Anfield Road expansion, I think our overall capacity will be just short of 60,000.
Shame really, I would have preferred a move to Stanley park as more space to build etc, we should have a Stadium capacity of 70,000 by now.
Spurs, Arsenal, Man City have all got a brand new stadium, but obviously the cost is 300m+ for a new stadium and it means borrowing off banks, and our new main stand cost circa 100m. So it's just cheaper to make do.
I think they should rebuild /expand the Kop also to make it nearer to Dortmunds 20,000 capacity "wall".
60,000 is not a big enough capacity for a club of our size.
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Postby 7_Kewell » Sun Mar 04, 2018 1:24 pm

Shock. Horror. FSG are actually doing a decent job behind the scenes  :D

Also worth noting that the £39 profit we made over the past year doesn't include the CL money. Think Klopp will have a sizable sum to spend in the summer, given the Coutinho cash and CL run  :buttrock
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Postby parchpea » Sun Mar 04, 2018 3:19 pm

Nobody been more critical of FSG than me but clearly the model is a success in financial terms but yet thus far not bringing in silverware, weve a wonderful team and manager but I still feel FSG could reach a little further, dig a bit deeper, to build on top and of what we have.
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Postby Pig Catcher » Sun Mar 04, 2018 4:25 pm

parchpea » Sun Mar 04, 2018 2:19 pm wrote:Nobody been more critical of FSG than me but clearly the model is a success in financial terms but yet thus far not bringing in silverware, weve a wonderful team and manager but I still feel FSG could reach a little further, dig a bit deeper, to build on top and of what we have.


How exactly? Do you mean dip into their personal bank accounts and buy the club players?
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Postby parchpea » Sun Mar 04, 2018 5:29 pm

The club is worth considerably more than what FSG paid and rather than one in one out policy why not use that increased wealth to stretch out and build on what Klopps done already, have a right go at it.
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Postby Ghost of Shankly » Sun Mar 04, 2018 6:54 pm

More investment is still needed in the next few seasons if we are
A: Going to increase match day revenue further and stadium capacity, and ..
B: invest more in our squad to challenge for the league.
We need more than just Keita if we are going to challenge for the title, Klopp needs about 200m to spend on some big targets as there is still some dead wood that needs shipping out of our team. As well as expanding the Anfield road end, which could cost another 50-100m.

So there is still a lot of work to do yet.
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Postby Pig Catcher » Sun Mar 04, 2018 9:57 pm

parchpea » Sun Mar 04, 2018 4:29 pm wrote:The club is worth considerably more than what FSG paid and rather than one in one out policy why not use that increased wealth to stretch out and build on what Klopps done already, have a right go at it.


What has the value of the club got to do with how much is available for transfers (assuming that's what you were getting at)? What money is out there that is being kept away from transfers or wages?
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Postby Pig Catcher » Sun Mar 04, 2018 10:06 pm

Ghost of Shankly » Sun Mar 04, 2018 5:54 pm wrote:More investment is still needed in the next few seasons if we are
A: Going to increase match day revenue further and stadium capacity, and ..
B: invest more in our squad to challenge for the league.
We need more than just Keita if we are going to challenge for the title, Klopp needs about 200m to spend on some big targets as there is still some dead wood that needs shipping out of our team. As well as expanding the Anfield road end, which could cost another 50-100m.

So there is still a lot of work to do yet.


We went for Ketia, VVD and Salah last summer and that's before Barcelona expressed an interest in Coutinho. Although it wasn't plain sailing, we secured all 3 targets in the end. You can't really blame the board for what appended with VVD or Keita. The put up the cash and there is no reason to believe that the board won't back Klopp again.

And on expanding the Anfield Road end, it isn't going to make a big difference to our revenue in the way the Main Stand has. As it stands, it's only going to bring in an additional 5mil a year and cost £60-70mi million to complete.
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Postby Ghost of Shankly » Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:48 pm

As well as the Anfield Rd end expansion, the club should look at redeveloping the Kop, making it bigger and steeper.
It only has a capacity of 12,400 which is half of what the old kop capacity. It needs to be bigger.
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Postby Reg » Fri Mar 09, 2018 2:07 am

Guys, I'm sure the Annie Rd redevelopment is well advanced and the Kop being discussed at least. There're only 4 sides to a stadium so its hardly a case of 'what should we talk about now' is it?
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Postby kazza » Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:35 am

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Postby Reg » Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:44 am

There's been some confusion in other posts with folks stuck on the owners selling players to make money. Let me explain the strategy of club ownership in as few words as possible.

1. The owners do not make money from selling players, they save money both in terms of having a kitty to make adjustments elsewhere and less of a call on cashflow.
2.  The owners make their money from the VALUE of the CLUB not selling players, ie the business.
3. We built a new main stand, we have more sponsors, we are making more match day revenue, we're making more tv money all this adds to the value of the club. The players are simply the tool to raise the value of the club by creating more revenue opportunities.
4. The club reaches a plateau of effectiveness - tv income, sponsorship income, match day income etc.. until the team success propels us to a higher level of play/excitement/interest.
5. To do this we need the right manager, funds and decent players. And prawn sandwiches. The owners aren't stupid.
6. So behind the scenes Barca say to LFC 'we'll give you 143m for Couts' LFC say 'we'll have to make a dance of it but yes you can have him' and lock in Keita, VVD, Mo and the Ox. FSG ask Klopp what else he needs, he says probably a keeper but he's ok for now.
7. The team  and Mo do well and we're suddenly in the 'high interest' end of football - BINGO - sign new sponsorship deals, talk of the new Annie Road, Champions League revenue - the VALUE of the CLUB increases - owners happy, owners say to Klopp 'we need to keep this going, give Mo a new contract and speak with Dortmund or PSG to buy who you need to ensure we maintain this level and don't slip back'.
7. So the owners angle is now to give Klopp whatever he needs to win the league next season to maintain the growth in revenue and the value of the club.
8. Selling players for profit is not on the agenda unless dickwad Madrid come in with 200 for MO and Klopp says we can still maintain growth potential (haha that made you squirm) without him because he has another discovery lined up.

It's simple. The more we grow the value of the club, the more Klopp will have to spend, the better the playesr we'll bring in and hopefully the more successful we'll be. Easy.

All stand.
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Postby maguskwt » Thu Mar 22, 2018 11:43 am

Reg » Thu Mar 22, 2018 4:44 am wrote:There's been some confusion in other posts with folks stuck on the owners selling players to make money. Let me explain the strategy of club ownership in as few words as possible.

1. The owners do not make money from selling players, they save money both in terms of having a kitty to make adjustments elsewhere and less of a call on cashflow.
2.  The owners make their money from the VALUE of the CLUB not selling players, ie the business.
3. We built a new main stand, we have more sponsors, we are making more match day revenue, we're making more tv money all this adds to the value of the club. The players are simply the tool to raise the value of the club by creating more revenue opportunities.
4. The club reaches a plateau of effectiveness - tv income, sponsorship income, match day income etc.. until the team success propels us to a higher level of play/excitement/interest.
5. To do this we need the right manager, funds and decent players. And prawn sandwiches. The owners aren't stupid.
6. So behind the scenes Barca say to LFC 'we'll give you 143m for Couts' LFC say 'we'll have to make a dance of it but yes you can have him' and lock in Keita, VVD, Mo and the Ox. FSG ask Klopp what else he needs, he says probably a keeper but he's ok for now.
7. The team  and Mo do well and we're suddenly in the 'high interest' end of football - BINGO - sign new sponsorship deals, talk of the new Annie Road, Champions League revenue - the VALUE of the CLUB increases - owners happy, owners say to Klopp 'we need to keep this going, give Mo a new contract and speak with Dortmund or PSG to buy who you need to ensure we maintain this level and don't slip back'.
7. So the owners angle is now to give Klopp whatever he needs to win the league next season to maintain the growth in revenue and the value of the club.
8. Selling players for profit is not on the agenda unless dickwad Madrid come in with 200 for MO and Klopp says we can still maintain growth potential (haha that made you squirm) without him because he has another discovery lined up.

It's simple. The more we grow the value of the club, the more Klopp will have to spend, the better the playesr we'll bring in and hopefully the more successful we'll be. Easy.

All stand.

You can go and run the club now Reg. Who the F is Peter Moore anyway? Just a video game guy...
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