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[The_Rock]

"Even the worst liverpool team can win the 2005 champions league" ..... The Rock.

Only the biggest ego can have there own pearl of wisdom as there sig.

Hey.....i put that sig before we won the champions league...i believe it to be lucky .......so i kept it. (we won the champions league didn't we ?)

Like i said...you have no case of argument...so stop making yourself look like a fool will ya....

I have no problem with you...so quit while you are ahead.

But since then you have done nothing but bitch about our fortunes. I have no problems with you aside from the negatives, so quit while you are behind.

Quit while i am behind...? 

Yeah...sure einstein. 

[gsker1]

Yeah I think Rafa may need to start buying great players in because at the moment, we are buying average players like Benayoun and Kuyt etc ...  Torres was the first big spend player that has been a superstar .. god damn, can't believe we couldn't even put Middlesborough away

[skatesy]

I think everyone jumping on Rafa's because of this rough patch is so unfounded. I think we need to stick with Rafa through thick and thin because a re-building process does not happen overnight.

There is a trend these days for manager's to be kicked out when things start dipping in form. We need to stick behind him and when we come out of this storm I feel that things will be better.

[ruskiy playmaker]

The team was never good enough to challenge for the title.  We definitely need massive improvement in all the wide positions.

[66-1112520797]

Well I've only seen the first half so far and the second is a few hours away, so I thought I'd take a look on here and surprisingly I've seen that we pulled a goal back to get a draw. Thats a good result for us.

The last four or five games we've looked lost as a team, and have played some really dire football to match. Domestically this season is getting worse and worse for us, all the optimism I had at the begininng of the season has well and truly gone.

The whole team certainly in the first half of that game were poor, and then there were some shockingly poor displays from a couple of players. Arbeloa looked shaky and he for me has been a good defender for us this season, and then not so surprisingly Voronin.

I personally hate it when Gerrards looking for a 1-2 with a player, and when his teamate isnt able to execute the pass back into his path, either be the pass being intercepted or just nowhere near him he shrugs his shoulders and comes to an attitudey holt. He always does it, like he expects better from his teamates and it does look negative and attitudey, seriously I dislike this about him.

But when your playing with players like Momo, Kuyt and in yesterdays case Voronin I can see why it f.ucks him off, it f.ucks me off equally. I mean Gerrard was recieving a "hospital" pass from Voronin who was no more than 4 yards away from him, Vorornin somehow played it short and Boetang intercepted. The commentator said that Gerrard turned around to Vorornin and just gave him a look of disgust.

Not really the kind of stuff you'd expect from a captain, it probably makes Voronin and other teamates scared in possession to do the right thing, and they're probably intimidated by it. But FFS they should be able to play a simple four yard pass, he's wrong for doing it but I seriously understand why he does it.

Our movement, passing and build up play is awful nothing much is happening on either flanks, and the forwards arent even holding the ball up. He two of our four forwards cant even control the ball, and the other one who IMO could save Rafa's supposed job never gets picked anymore for Prem games. If Rafa does go in the summer, would he look back with the four strikers he has and think to himself was right to continue with using Kuyt and Voronin more than Crouch? Probably not, but I do. I reckon the lanky man would of helped in someway securing the bosses position as I think with him in the side and alongside Torres we'd of been a much better proposition against teams in the final third.

Crouch posses more of a goal threat IMO than Kuyt or Voronin combined, but not only that he's good for any striker to play alongside, like Kuyt I'd consider Crouch a good teamate who'll work and link up with his strike partner. Except Crouch has a better touch,vision and technique than Kuyt at doing this.

At Teeside yesterday there was nothing upfront, and Carra and Hyypia on a couple of occasions knocked it long as nobody was showing for the ball, it was like a hot potatoe. In games like this where as a manager you no your team are playing poorly players like Crouch are needed.Are passing game isnt working, at least Crouch give you the option to knock it long, and also from what I've seen of all of our forwards he is the best one to hold the ball up, Torres, Voronin and Kuyt loosed possesion much to easily for my likening, at least Crouch can give the midfield and his striker partner the time to make a run and come looking for the ball.

Anyway never thought I'd say it, but I was happy with a draw from Boro, just shows you yet again how much we've flattered to decieve again this season, and on current form we didnt deserve no more than a point, one of which I'm happy for.

Note: I've gotten that f.ucked off with our title challenge I hope we dont finnish in the top four f.uck the CL off for one season and concerntrate on the bread and butter stuff, the same bread and butter stuff thats gone stale and moldy over an 18 year period. We cannot compete on both fronts, and if Rafa didnt have the choice to prioritise or concertrate on one more than the other, it may well be a blessing in disguise.

[ruskiy playmaker]

Bamaga man-If we don't make at least 4th this season, then Rafa won't be here next season.  Plus we'll have a hard time attracting quality players to the club because we wont be playing in CL.  The reason players like Torres want to come here is because of our success in the CL.

[Ciggy]

Worst thing about this topic people giving uptodate scores of the Manure drubbing of Newcastle    Call yerselves Liverpool fans 

Who gives a fuck abar that shower of tw@ts.

[Owzat]

These are our priorities:

- A vitally important need to finish 4th.
- The Champions League match vs Inter


Little else matters.

FA Cup?

A consolation prize.

It'd be nice to win it again, but really it's the Prem and CL that are the main focus.


It's a shame because the FA Cup used to be special.

It's fallen victim like the Cup Winners Cup, the Milk Cup and the UEFA Cup to the monster called the Champions League.

I think Rafa had one eye on the FA Cup, we should take it seriously because there will be few season where you'll get an easier path to the fifth round and Premiership clubs are falling left, right and centre. Six are already out, two more have to go out in all-Premiership replays and I think there's three more (potential) all-Premiership ties in the next round. The last time this many Premiership sides got drawn against each other and the rest fell by the wayside, I believe was the season MILLWALL reached the final. Best thing we can do is hang in there and make most of it. We might draw the mancs or Chelsea in the fifth round, they might draw each other................................

Anyway that game yesterday was a shambles, we escaped with a draw thanks to Super Fernando Torres. I hate the fixture, but we've drawn too many games and we needed a win. That's now just three wins in the last ten games, FOUR draws and three defeats. We've scored only 14 goals and kept just two clean sheets. And that was our fourth consecutive draw, none of the teams we played are anything special.

There wasn't too much wrong with the line up yesterday, except the usual one or two dubious selections. But then Rafa thinks we have a striker quartet and is going to use them all, some more than others, but nonetheless I doubt he's suddenly going to start playing Babel or Crouch up front regularly. If we're going to struggle to score goals then the defence needs to do better than it is, that goal was sloppy and I'd say Reina was largely at fault for trying to claim the ball when he was never going to get to it. I guess you could be relieved we got a point, but our recent form has more or less killed our title challenge - nine points from our last seven games which is worse than Rafa's previous three season starts (10 from seven games or ten points out of a possible 21)

Should Rafa go? Well I'm at the point where I no longer believe he can win us the league. He's shown only one strong season in four and didn't go on from there with a disappointing 2006/7 and this season just as disappointing. It isn't just the results, but the signings. Whether people believe that he will suddenly get huge amounts of cash or not, whether people believe he will suddenly sign someone for £5m or thereabouts who is a massive success, the fact is he hasn't had huge amounts of money to spend and he continues to sign players who in the main aren't top quality.

So those who criticise the realists/pessimists (depends on your viewpoint) - how is Rafa going to win the league? Transform the current side into world beaters? Suddenly get £100m to spend from the owners? Discover some winning formula? Or perhaps you believe it is bad luck that is behind these results. I won't criticise the optimists if they back up their optimism with some kind of plan, and a real one not one that involves making something out to be better than it is like suggesting Peter Crouch will make a title winning partnership with Torres. All I hear is excuses and "he needs time" - time to do what? At the very least the pessimists have evidence to back up their pessimism, those who may have been pessimists since the last time we won the league, saying we won't win it this season every season since, have still to be proven wrong.

[bigmick]

I won't criticise the optimists if they back up their optimism with some kind of plan, and a real one not one that involves making something out to be better than it is like suggesting Peter Crouch will make a title winning partnership with Torres. All I hear is excuses and "he needs time" - time to do what? At the very least the pessimists have evidence to back up their pessimism, those who may have been pessimists since the last time we won the league, saying we won't win it this season every season since, have still to be proven wrong.

In fairness Owz' I'm not sure many are saying that if we stuck Crouch up top we'd win the league, but a few are saying that Crouch offers more than Voronin or Kuyt, and I would agree with that. I know you don't rate the big fella, but that aside I think even you must be coming round to the view that given how the other two strikers are performing, Crouch surely deserves a start.

Other than that small point, I agree with just about every word of your post. "Give him time" and the rest is all very well if we are making progress. It's hard to argue we are though at the moment, either in terms of the team being a better one than it has been previously, or in terms of us learning from any mistakes we might be making as we go forward.

It's all very well going back to the Champions League win and the record points total, but we are going to be some way short of that record this season and the Chapions League final is a long way off.

Learning lessons is all about realising where we are and improving because of it. I won't even mention the R word, but in terms of squad building surely there is a lesson and an adjustment which needs to be made. Clearly we cannot compete in financial terms with either Chelsea or Man Utd, so wouldn't it make sense to bin this notion of building two teams and just concentrate our resources on building one very good one? Yes we'd be taking a punt on injuries and "freshness', but at least we'd be giving ourselves the best possible chance. If we are to sign Masherano (and I think we probably should, even at the price) then in my view we've got to get radical in our current position and sell not just Sissoko but probably Alonso or Lucas as well. Get Guthrie back from Bolton and he is more than capable of being fourth choice central midfielder, and invest the cash on a wide man. Failing that, move Gerrrard out to the right and move either Benayoun and/or Pennant out. If we aren't going to play Crouch, if he isn't good enough or we aren't talking to him or whatever the reasoning, sell him on.

It just seems to me that if we are up to having a squad which is worth say 100 mill for the sake of argument, lets spend it on seventeen players rather than twenty four. That way we can give a couple of kids a go off the bench, and we don't dilute our resources any more than we need to while looking for "options" and "possibilities".

[NANNY RED]

If mourinho becomes our mananger i will never accept him , i would rather never watch a match again than accept him as our manager. No class, self obsessed tw@t that he is. Feckin Shankly and Paisley would turn in there graves if he ever came anywhere near this great club . NO CHANCE .

Its making me sick just even associating the mans name with our club. EGOTISTIC i hate him simple as.

Some people on here are going on about us being boring under Rafa well they need to open there eyes dont forget all you Maureen lovers that was one of the reasons he was got rid of at Chelsea they didnt think he was getting the team to play attractive football.

Im gonna stick my neck out here and will most proberbly get caned but id sooner see the drunk up the M62 in charge of our team than Mourinio and thats choking me to say that.

I will always support my team no matter what but he will never get my support if he becomes our manager

[hello_red]

Worst thing about this topic people giving uptodate scores of the Manure drubbing of Newcastle    Call yerselves Liverpool fans 

Who gives a fuck abar that shower of tw@ts.

Here Here

Well I want Rafa to stay but its results like this that will get him the boot by the american owners.

[account deleted by request]

Anyone know if Pennant was injured or just rested because they knew the cr@p that was going to break this morning. I heard he was injured but I have my doubts now.

I didn't have any problems with the team selected, the formation or anything before the match so I can hardly complain after it. I do think we are very short on confidence at the moment, and that maybe this is the one area that Rafa may fall a little short.

Its ok keeping your distance from players when things are going well but when things are going as bad as this, they sometimes need the arm round the shoulder and to be reminded of just how good they are. Our players just seem to lose confidence and sink lower and lower. Morientes maybe didn't like the rough stuff too much, but he also seemed to lose confidence and never regained it. Kuyt ?To be honest I am not sure if its loss of confidence or that he's just that bad.

I think we should bring in a number two who could fill the role of motivator a little better than Rafa seems able to. I would certainly prefer that to bringing in someone like Maureen as manager to do that job.

[Ciggy]

I think we should bring in a number two who could fill the role of motivator a little better than Rafa seems able to. I would certainly prefer that to bringing in someone like Maureen as manager to do that job.

Nail on head Saint I think Pako was just as important as Rafa to the players and I think Rafa is also missing a number two, the quicker we get one the better.

[heimdall]

If mourinho becomes our mananger i will never accept him , i would rather never watch a match again than accept him as our manager. No class, self obsessed tw@t that he is. Feckin Shankly and Paisley would turn in there graves if he ever came anywhere near this great club . NO CHANCE .

Its making me sick just even associating the mans name with our club. EGOTISTIC i hate him simple as.

Some people on here are going on about us being boring under Rafa well they need to open there eyes dont forget all you Maureen lovers that was one of the reasons he was got rid of at Chelsea they didnt think he was getting the team to play attractive football.

Im gonna stick my neck out here and will most proberbly get caned but id sooner see the drunk up the M62 in charge of our team than Mourinio and thats choking me to say that.

I will always support my team no matter what but he will never get my support if he becomes our manager

oh I'm sure you will Nanny because he will be the next manager.
You'd rather have Ferguson?? actually he is a dmaned good manager but why would we want to manage Liverpool?
I don't get you happy clappers, you'd rather have a boring team led by Rafa with no ability to win the league, ever, than have a new manager with the vision and ability to win, and you say that I'm not a real fan 

[heimdall]

Anyone know if Pennant was injured or just rested because they knew the cr@p that was going to break this morning. I heard he was injured but I have my doubts now.

I didn't have any problems with the team selected, the formation or anything before the match so I can hardly complain after it. I do think we are very short on confidence at the moment, and that maybe this is the one area that Rafa may fall a little short.

Its ok keeping your distance from players when things are going well but when things are going as bad as this, they sometimes need the arm round the shoulder and to be reminded of just how good they are. Our players just seem to lose confidence and sink lower and lower. Morientes maybe didn't like the rough stuff too much, but he also seemed to lose confidence and never regained it. Kuyt ?To be honest I am not sure if its loss of confidence or that he's just that bad.

I think we should bring in a number two who could fill the role of motivator a little better than Rafa seems able to. I would certainly prefer that to bringing in someone like Maureen as manager to do that job.

So S@int are you telling me that you were happy with Voronin and Riise starting yesterday?
Please explain why you saw this as ok because I really don't get it.