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[kazza]

He is 4-6 years from his prime and considering his professional outlook (no smoking or drinking excessively and training well) it will more likely be the latter. In short, he WILL improve still.

[Scottbot]

He is 4-6 years from his prime and considering his professional outlook (no smoking or drinking excessively and training well) it will more likely be the latter. In short, he WILL improve still.

I'm not sure the professional outlook bit is a guarantee for his future progression dude, i'd like to think the not drinking excessively or smoking bit is a given for the majority of young professional footballers out there! But I do think he can keep on improving. The lad's playing with more authority this year and having a greater influence on games so it'll be interesting to see if he can keep going in this direction.

[RED BEERGOGGLES]

Yet again ....the much maligned Lucas is ripped apart after his first mediocre performance since Dalglish took up the reins ,and it seems all it takes is one game without the sun on his back... and the usual blurts cant wait to line up and tell us how poor a midfielder they believe him to be ..... fucking shameful .......the Lad ran himself ragged for Brazil, and he was obviously exhausted ,especially after them going down to 10 men ..... give the Boy some leeway..... ...surely after his superb performances he merits some ?

see thats your problem son, if WE dont agree with YOU  we're 'blurts', what a tit.

No Lad ,Im fine with posters disagreeing ....plenty do...   
but I do take particular umbrage when "blurts" feel the need to do it   

[Kharhaz]

The biggest problem Lucas has is this. He is the scapegoat. When Roy was here, he took that mantle from him, now he is gone it has returned to him.

[kazza]

He is 4-6 years from his prime and considering his professional outlook (no smoking or drinking excessively and training well) it will more likely be the latter. In short, he WILL improve still.

I'm not sure the professional outlook bit is a guarantee for his future progression dude, i'd like to think the not drinking excessively or smoking bit is a given for the majority of young professional footballers out there! But I do think he can keep on improving. The lad's playing with more authority this year and having a greater influence on games so it'll be interesting to see if he can keep going in this direction.

An man peaks physically between 28-32 years in general and football players are no different. While I agree that a "professional outlook" does not guarantee progression it does significantly increase the chance that the players peak will be extended (barring injury of course). As an example I will give you Gazza and even Fowler to some extent eroded quickly as they got to 30 (I think Rooney will fall into this bracket). Those that train well and are professional in their lifestyle(and Lucas does and is) have a higher PROBABILITY of playing until 34 or so with 28-32 being the peak. Add to that that he follows instuctions well (or Rafa would never have played him) so clearly is a good student of the game so his positional awareness will also improve.

This is why I said that he is 4-6 years from his prime and will improve. I could not understand how some could not see he was young and improving. We got him when he was 21 or something.

[neil]

Yet again ....the much maligned Lucas is ripped apart after his first mediocre performance since Dalglish took up the reins ,and it seems all it takes is one game without the sun on his back... and the usual blurts cant wait to line up and tell us how poor a midfielder they believe him to be ..... fucking shameful .......the Lad ran himself ragged for Brazil, and he was obviously exhausted ,especially after them going down to 10 men ..... give the Boy some leeway..... ...surely after his superb performances he merits some ?

see thats your problem son, if WE dont agree with YOU  we're 'blurts', what a tit.

No Lad ,Im fine with posters disagreeing ....plenty do...   
but I do take particular umbrage when "blurts" feel the need to do it   

ah my bad, you can see why i got mixed up though.

[stmichael]

Looking back now I don't think he was helped by Rafa wanting him to improve the defensive side of his game, to go along with his attacking qualities he showed at Gremio and U20 for Brazil. Asd it happens, he has turned into a different player than the player we bought, and has become a better player because of the coaching he has had on the defensive side.

[only me]

He is 4-6 years from his prime and considering his professional outlook (no smoking or drinking excessively and training well) it will more likely be the latter. In short, he WILL improve still.

I'm not sure the professional outlook bit is a guarantee for his future progression dude, i'd like to think the not drinking excessively or smoking bit is a given for the majority of young professional footballers out there! But I do think he can keep on improving. The lad's playing with more authority this year and having a greater influence on games so it'll be interesting to see if he can keep going in this direction.

An man peaks physically between 28-32 years in general and football players are no different. While I agree that a "professional outlook" does not guarantee progression it does significantly increase the chance that the players peak will be extended (barring injury of course). As an example I will give you Gazza and even Fowler to some extent eroded quickly as they got to 30 (I think Rooney will fall into this bracket). Those that train well and are professional in their lifestyle(and Lucas does and is) have a higher PROBABILITY of playing until 34 or so with 28-32 being the peak. Add to that that he follows instuctions well (or Rafa would never have played him) so clearly is a good student of the game so his positional awareness will also improve.

This is why I said that he is 4-6 years from his prime and will improve. I could not understand how some could not see he was young and improving. We got him when he was 21 or something.

Very strange conclusion...Footballer Talent is usually discovered in his teens...In this day and age a footballer future is already detarmined in the beginning of his 20's....Lucas won't get faster ,not stronger ,will not learn how to dribble and won't learn how to pass..this is what we have ,are you willing to settle for this as your starting Defensive MF for the next decade? I'm for sure not.

[stmichael]

i hope lucas was watching the game last night, in particular busquet's performance. thought he was top drawer.

lucas is our version of him in many respects. every team needs that type of player in order for the other more creative players around them to flourish.

[Penguins]

Well, only problem we don't have Xavi and Iniesta in front of him.

Let's face it. Lucas will never be world class alla Alonso/Gerrard.
He'll be a decent central midfielder, nothing more nothing less.

He might work to be in a title team if he is sourrounded by top class players, but never if he is the standard for the whole team.

Lucas has learn to be better in front of our penalty area, both with and without the ball. That is his biggest weakness together with the fact that he is getting forward way to little in a lineup with 2 cm.

[Zidane]

Put it this way, he does more for us then Busquets does for Barca.  Both are very similiar players imo, Busquets is a bit more technical but Lucas is the more physical of the two.

[metalhead]

Put it this way, he does more for us then Busquets does for Barca.  Both are very similiar players imo, Busquets is a bit more technical but Lucas is the more physical of the two.

now I know Lucas is a good player, but better than busquets?

[Zidane]

No, they aren't that different though I was just saying he does more for us than Busquets does for Barca.  Lucas is more important to us than Busquets is to Barca is all I'm sayin, due to the difference in quality of squads no doubt but just saying.

[neil]

heres one for red beer goggs


lucas

[Raoul]

Once again a good solid performance by Lucas today, one of our better players, again. That consistency that he seems to have added to his game is valuable. Wish more of our players had it.