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[woof woof !]

Its funny when someone reads part of a post and then totally misinterprets it and acts like a divvy.
I wasnt being patronising in any way.
Did you off the top of your head compare Lucas to Whelan ?
Or did Kenny do it in an interview in the last couple of weeks ?
I have actually been praising Lucas this season and think he has been one of our better players.
What i dont think though (despite what Kenny said and you think) is that he is in the same league as Ronnie Whelan was.
No disgrace in that as Whelan was a top top player than won everything at LFC.

Chill out and read posts properly before flying in with insults.

"I think it will be because Kenny said lucas could be our Whelan recently that he has compared them."

Maybe im missing something here mate and i apologise if i have but that seems to me like your suggesting im just copying what Kenny said.

Ive got my own mind and i really hate it when people say things about me like they know. I was saying the same thing when Lucas first came and defending him when most people around me disagreed.

Trust me i dont let anyone think for me

[Ben Patrick]

So you thought Lucas could be our Whelan ? 

Listen i am agreeing with you about the fact that he is playing well and deserves the praise he has been getting.
I just dont think he will ever be someone as vital as Whelan was.
I just didnt think the comparison was a great one.
Not that i cant see the reasoning behind, just disagree that's all.

[PabloMedina28]

So you thought Lucas could be our Whelan ? 

Listen i am agreeing with you about the fact that he is playing well and deserves the praise he has been getting.
I just dont think he will ever be someone as vital as Whelan was.
I just didnt think the comparison was a great one.
Not that i cant see the reasoning behind, just disagree that's all.

No problem mate everyone has different opinions, but my opinions are my own thats what i wanted to get across

[woof woof !]

The biggest problem Lucas has is this. He is the scapegoat. When Roy was here, he took that mantle from him, now he is gone it has returned to him.

That's the problem with some "blurts" they always blame the scapegoat .......

Lucas has been one of the better players over the last 2 years, whilst the big stars have dragged their feet and sucked on their "t*tty lips"

"One of the better players over the last two years" ?

Think you're being a bit generous there SS. His star only started to rise when Mascherano left. He's certainly been one of our better/most consistent players this season, did Mascherano inhibit his potential, was he always as good as he is now and many of us just didn't see it ? I don't know.

Delighted to see the fella doing well and giving the  "blurts" (I'm one of them) a big f'uck off, but despite this seasons  good performances (and long may they continue) he became the blurts "scapegoat" for a reason, for three seasons, he was, not always, but most consistently our "weakest link".

[parchpea]

Hes either half decent, steady or poor and that really wont be enough for us going forward. I have respect for the lad and way he keeps going under heavy criticism but there is no room for sentiment and theres plenty better than Lucas. If they can get one in to replace him I am sure they will however I doubt he would be in the top 5 to be cut from the squad given theres still a few worse than him on the books at this point. Never know we may get a decent offer for him yet 

[Thommo's perm]

Lets compare Whelan with Lucas
One was a vital cog in the wheel of a trophies winning team who made crucial tackles and scored important goals. He was a quality player who had flair, style, very rarely made mistakes, could dish it out as well as take it and will go down as one of LFCs midfield legends.
The other is Lucas...

[Zidane]

You have to compare the teams they played in as well as the players they are.  Lucas has been quality for the majority of this season, if we continue to build a better squad there is no reason to think that he can't become a very vital piece of our future.  There will be no regression of the player imo he's too strong mentally to allow that to happen.  So the only way to go is up from here and that's a good thing, I for one am looking forward to seeing him develop here so hopefully he signs a new contract soon.

[jimmy brighton]

The biggest problem Lucas has is this. He is the scapegoat. When Roy was here, he took that mantle from him, now he is gone it has returned to him.

That's the problem with some "blurts" they always blame the scapegoat .......

Lucas has been one of the better players over the last 2 years, whilst the big stars have dragged their feet and sucked on their "t*tty lips"

"One of the better players over the last two years" ?

Think you're being a bit generous there SS. His star only started to rise when Mascherano left. He's certainly been one of our better/most consistent players this season, did Mascherano inhibit his potential, was he always as good as he is now and many of us just didn't see it ? I don't know.

Delighted to see the fella doing well and giving the  "blurts" (I'm one of them) a big f'uck off, but despite this seasons  good performances (and long may they continue) he became the blurts "scapegoat" for a reason, for three seasons, he was, not always, but most consistently our "weakest link".

Sorry but I feel the Lucas bashers will never give it a miss until he's become "the most outstanding midfielder in the world". The obvious Lucas retractors will not agree until this is the case. It's not enough that he spends/carries the midfield, as has done a lot recently (except Raul when he's decided to turn up), and never will do 'til forthwith!!!!

[maypaxvobiscum]

The biggest problem Lucas has is this. He is the scapegoat. When Roy was here, he took that mantle from him, now he is gone it has returned to him.

That's the problem with some "blurts" they always blame the scapegoat .......

Lucas has been one of the better players over the last 2 years, whilst the big stars have dragged their feet and sucked on their "t*tty lips"

"One of the better players over the last two years" ?

Think you're being a bit generous there SS. His star only started to rise when Mascherano left. He's certainly been one of our better/most consistent players this season, did Mascherano inhibit his potential, was he always as good as he is now and many of us just didn't see it ? I don't know.

Delighted to see the fella doing well and giving the  "blurts" (I'm one of them) a big f'uck off, but despite this seasons  good performances (and long may they continue) he became the blurts "scapegoat" for a reason, for three seasons, he was, not always, but most consistently our "weakest link".

totally agree with this 

[supersub]

["One of the better players over the last two years" ?

Think you're being a bit generous there SS. His star only started to rise when Mascherano left. He's certainly been one of our better/most consistent players this season, did Mascherano inhibit his potential, was he always as good as he is now and many of us just didn't see it ? I don't know.

Delighted to see the fella doing well and giving the  "blurts" (I'm one of them) a big f'uck off, but despite this seasons  good performances (and long may they continue) he became the blurts "scapegoat" for a reason, for three seasons, he was, not always, but most consistently our "weakest link".

Tend to disagree on a certain point....Lucas was our best performer at the beginning of last season when Javier was having a terrible time....
Mascherano's performances improved in the latter half of the season...
I do think that the 2 could never be a pairing...I have no doubt Lucas detractors will never give him the credit, just the same way Kuyt haters will always see individual mistakes and never witness contributions to the team....

Unfortunately heroes can make mistakes till the cows come home but will always be hauled up onto the pedastal for an occassional contribution....

[red till i die!!]

so basically going by the last two pages in this thread anyone who does not think lucas is a world class match winner and the engine of our team is either a blurt or a basher??? .
pmsl

[neil]

Most people who support him dont believe he'll ever be world class just a Whelan type player who helps the game winnig players around him focus

is this the same ronnie whelan that has half a dozen league winners medals, 3 fa cup & european cup, voted no30 in 100 players that shook the kop? are you fuckin bladdered?

Was Kenny Dalglish bladdered when he said it?

What do medals have to do with comparig players abilitys? Im pretty sure if Lucas was in a team surrounded by the players Whelan was hed have quite a collection aswell come his retirement. Thats a completely ridiculous point to bring up. By your way of thinking its Gary Neville is far superior to Rob Jones

where do I start

[supersub]

so basically going by the last two pages in this thread anyone who does not think lucas is a world class match winner and the engine of our team is either a blurt or a basher??? .
pmsl

blurts and bashers obviously have their opinions on who is and isn't world class   

I personally don't think Lucas is world class..who is ?
I do think he plays an important part in a Liverpool team at this moment...whether it continues is upto Kenny Dalglish

I appreciate the contribution Lucas makes, obviously some people never will.......our past is riddled with players who had their fair share of "bashers and blurts" and I'm sure we will have players in the future who will receive such reverence...some things will never change 

[Thommo's perm]

You have to compare the teams they played in as well as the players they are.  Lucas has been quality for the majority of this season, if we continue to build a better squad there is no reason to think that he can't become a very vital piece of our future.  There will be no regression of the player imo he's too strong mentally to allow that to happen.  So the only way to go is up from here and that's a good thing, I for one am looking forward to seeing him develop here so hopefully he signs a new contract soon.

I think its down to expectations
I always expect Lucas to be average or sh'ite and he rarely lets me down...
Though I must admit this season he hasnt been as sh'ite as he could have been

[neil]

Re blurts & bashers, can we have a reference for the pro lucas lobby? Must begin with 'b', biffs? bummers?