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[RedRory]

We need better players and the likes of Lucas, Maxi, Babel, Poulsen, Skrtel, Aurelio, Spearing, Konchesky and Jovanovic need to be shown the door.

This is true however we cant get rid of half our team all in one foul swoop, it will take time to phase them out and find suitable replacements.  I doubt very much that our new owners will go out and buy new players to replace all the above during the summer.  I would love if they did but its unlikely.

So until we do fill our ranks with world class players should we not get behind the players we currently have and encourage them at every oppertunity so they give everything they have while they are playing for us on the pitch?

[redhayesy]

its not a case of 'hating' Lucas. Personally, i've never considered him to be as bad as some make out, just like i don't think Poulsen is as rubbish as some say.

However, as someone has already stated, he's an average player who sometimes plays well, and sometimes doesn't. But, ask youtself this, would any of the top 4 teams in this league have him in their side? Would any of the top 6 give him 40+ starts a season? The answer is no...he would struggle to make the bench in most cases.

If we want to improve our team, and our chances of one day challenging for the league, we need to stop fooling ourselves that players like Lucas are good enough.

We need better players and the likes of Lucas, Maxi, Babel, Poulsen, Skrtel, Aurelio, Spearing, Konchesky and Jovanovic need to be shown the door.

agree with most of what you say mate-that was nearly a very good post untill you spoiled it with saying poulsen isn't as rubbish as some say!    please mate i know this forum is all about opinions & you are quite entitled to yours- so for me -heres mine

poulsen is SHYTE! he really is as bad as some say mate-honestly!

[Cool Hand Luke]

As for Barry, Mikel, Song et al, are they Brazillian internationals???

No. But that's mainly because they are from England, Nigeria and Cameron.

[crazyhorse]

This feels like the Dirk Kuyt debate from a couple of years back all over again, with some vastly underrating him and a few going OTT in praising him.  For me, he's a decent to good player: never sh!te like some make out but not destined to blossom into a top, top player either.  I think he can do a job in the centre of the park and earns his corn most matches without truly grabbing games by the scruff of the neck like the top midfielders do.  He's about old enough now where we have a good sense of what he's got in his locker and the truly world beater stuff ain't in there, sorry to say.  That said, he gets way more stick than he deserves, with far too many people having decided in the past he's not up to it and letting that stubborn opinion colour their sense of his play now.  Just like Dirk he's got his limitations but is worthy of his spot in the side.

Absolute common sense.. debate over.

[only me]

Only me did Lucas refuse to sign an autograph for you are something?

Yep you got it right ,you know who else? Skertel ,Koncheski, Paulson and Kuyt....

BTW ,read some more posts sentiments are similair to mine ,a bit more restrained i agree but the common thread is that the lad is avarage. I aspire for something more then that. That's it.

[metalhead]

agree with most of what you say mate-that was nearly a very good post untill you spoiled it with saying poulsen isn't as rubbish as some say!    please mate i know this forum is all about opinions & you are quite entitled to yours- so for me -heres mine

poulsen is SHYTE! he really is as bad as some say mate-honestly!

He isn't shyte mate, he was a very good defensive midfielder on his day, unfortunately he is turning out to be another Morientes.

I've seen a lot of Poulsen before he joined us, and you can ask any Schalke or Sevilla fan or even La Liga fans about him and they will tell you he was a top player in his prime. People say he is bad because they haven't seen him play before he joined us.

[mrt]

Thanks for putting me straight, C H Luke.  I stand by the rest of my post.  He's a good lad, doing his best for us.  He's no Socrates, Cerezo, Falcao, Clodoaldo or whoever but he's ours and deserves a bit of respect.

[mrt]

...and the pedant in me must point out -CameroOn 

[Ben Patrick]

Only me did Lucas refuse to sign an autograph for you are something?

Yep you got it right ,you know who else? Skertel ,Koncheski, Paulson and Kuyt....

BTW ,read some more posts sentiments are similair to mine ,a bit more restrained i agree but the common thread is that the lad is avarage. I aspire for something more then that. That's it.

if you cant spell our own players names right it says it all.
Poulsen
not Paulsen

[7_Kewell]

As for Barry, Mikel, Song et al, are they Brazillian internationals???

No. But that's mainly because they are from England, Nigeria and Cameron.

[only me]

Only me did Lucas refuse to sign an autograph for you are something?

Yep you got it right ,you know who else? Skertel ,Koncheski, Paulson and Kuyt....

BTW ,read some more posts sentiments are similair to mine ,a bit more restrained i agree but the common thread is that the lad is avarage. I aspire for something more then that. That's it.

if you cant spell our own players names right it says it all.
Poulsen
not Paulsen

So because i can't spell Lucas can play? OK...Your logic is flawless. BTW Mussi from Barcelona is a good player?

Anyway ,no need to go far to understand the caliber of player we need in CM ,Just compare him to Alonso and Masch..Both had their weaknesses but they offered some strong ability and adventage. Lucas offers none. U wanna keep him? Fine ,as a Squad player only.

[Ben Patrick]

Only me did Lucas refuse to sign an autograph for you are something?

Yep you got it right ,you know who else? Skertel ,Koncheski, Paulson and Kuyt....

BTW ,read some more posts sentiments are similair to mine ,a bit more restrained i agree but the common thread is that the lad is avarage. I aspire for something more then that. That's it.

if you cant spell our own players names right it says it all.
Poulsen
not Paulsen

So because i can't spell Lucas can play? OK...Your logic is flawless. BTW Mussi from Barcelona is a good player?

Anyway ,no need to go far to understand the caliber of player we need in CM ,Just compare him to Alonso and Masch..Both had their weaknesses but they offered some strong ability and adventage. Lucas offers none. U wanna keep him? Fine ,as a Squad player only.

i was just making a point, its hard to understand how you could spell one of our players names wrong that's all.
I actually agree with your point regarding the difference in ability with Lucas and Alonso and Mascherano but think at this moment in time there are other areas of the team that are in more need of improving.

[tonyeh]

Hmmm...still a wretched player for me. His going from Shite to slightly less shite ain't going to have me waving the flag in his direction.

The bottom line is that he's just not good enough for the important position he's been tasked to occupy.

[stmichael]

The bottom line is that he's just not good enough for the important position he's been tasked to occupy.

And what is that position in your view exactly?

Honestly, it appears some cannot/will not recognise his role in the team because he rarely scores or plays the killer final ball. We've got other players in the side to do that.

It actually makes me wonder what this lad needs to do to get people off his back.

[Fowler_E7]

The bottom line is that he's just not good enough for the important position he's been tasked to occupy.

And what is that position in your view exactly?

Honestly, it appears some cannot/will not recognise his role in the team because he rarely scores or plays the killer final ball. We've got other players in the side to do that.

It actually makes me wonder what this lad needs to do to get people off his back.

how about offer some sort of goal threat or make an assist? theres a lot more to playing central midfield that shielding the back four. Lucas has shown time after time after time after time after time that he is an average footballer and he will never be anything more than that.