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[Rafa D]

He's just as good as he was 2 years ago.

When we were all wondering why Rafa consistently picked him even when he was woeful.

As much as I hate to admit it, he is still an average midfielder. I have seen people claim he is a lot better this season, his passing is better, his attacking is better but its not. The reason he looks better is because the players around him are considerably shiter.

Two years ago he had Xabi, Gerrard (in his prime), Maschereno, Torres, Arbeloa etc.

Now he is surrounded by Poulsen, Johnson, etc and he looks better.

He's simply an average player in a shiter team.

He's not the answer, he is not a worldie, he's a average midfielder who should be warming the bench.

[Rafa D]

You still have this problem of not seeing posts!!

[metalhead]

He's just as good as he was 2 years ago.

When we were all wondering why Rafa consistently picked him even when he was woeful.

As much as I hate to admit it, he is still an average midfielder. I have seen people claim he is a lot better this season, his passing is better, his attacking is better but its not. The reason he looks better is because the players around him are considerably shiter.

Two years ago he had Xabi, Gerrard (in his prime), Maschereno, Torres, Arbeloa etc.

Now he is surrounded by Poulsen, Johnson, etc and he looks better.

He's simply an average player in a shiter team.

He's not the answer, he is not a worldie, he's a average midfielder who should be warming the bench.

Thank you habibi, finally some sense, I've got loads telling me he is the heart beat of the team.

[jimmy brighton]

He's just as good as he was 2 years ago.

When we were all wondering why Rafa consistently picked him even when he was woeful.

As much as I hate to admit it, he is still an average midfielder. I have seen people claim he is a lot better this season, his passing is better, his attacking is better but its not. The reason he looks better is because the players around him are considerably shiter.

Two years ago he had Xabi, Gerrard (in his prime), Maschereno, Torres, Arbeloa etc.

Now he is surrounded by Poulsen, Johnson, etc and he looks better.

He's simply an average player in a shiter team.

He's not the answer, he is not a worldie, he's a average midfielder who should be warming the bench.

Thank you habibi, finally some sense, I've got loads telling me he is the heart beat of the team.

You're so predictable with your neggy sh*te

[metalhead]

thanks

[redhayesy]

He's just as good as he was 2 years ago.

When we were all wondering why Rafa consistently picked him even when he was woeful.

As much as I hate to admit it, he is still an average midfielder. I have seen people claim he is a lot better this season, his passing is better, his attacking is better but its not. The reason he looks better is because the players around him are considerably shiter.

Two years ago he had Xabi, Gerrard (in his prime), Maschereno, Torres, Arbeloa etc.

Now he is surrounded by Poulsen, Johnson, etc and he looks better.

He's simply an average player in a shiter team.

He's not the answer, he is not a worldie, he's a average midfielder who should be warming the bench.

great post mate!- good to see you post again,at least when you post you give your opinion,with back up to how you see it!

for me -the real way we will improve like all great sides of LFC is to recognise that when a player like Lucas is out of their depth -the quicker we will move on. like when KK was in charge the first time-he then & will now acknowledge their are players who will add value,will improve the whole squad not just the first team etc.

the club will need to clear out a massive amount of dead wood to achieve this-that won't happen overnight-but i totally believe that lessons have been learned & that any player signed in the future will be seriously observed etc before we have to wait for time to take it's cause!

the players that have been given chance after chance to prove their worth-will really start to panic-call their agent etc,cause for me Babel is just the start under kk's return & so it should be.

rebuild,rebuild,rebuild-thats the way this FC will go,i can't wait

[RED BEERGOGGLES]

The Lad was missed greatly earlier ,anyone who cant see the space he frees up for the likes of Gerrard and Meireles to run into isn't watching ....the Lad consistently breaks up play and his distribution is at times faultless ....another thing posters seem to conveniently  miss is we generally hold a  higher line when Lucas is included in the midfield ,I mean just look at the way we were under the cosh for long periods in the second half because Gerrard tends to drop off so deep .......  its getting that way that Lucas is now essential to the team in order to keep our shape ......if he is fit he should play its as simple as that ,we could have lost that match earlier because there was nobody there to keep harrying their midfielders .....the second half Fulham just looked to comfortable on the ball ,this wouldn't have happened with Lucas deployed there .....ffs some things are just obvious people

[Octsky]

Hamann was a very different midfielder than Mascherano. Mascherano is too one dimensional and doesn't really offer a lot in the attacking sense, but his defensive and positional abilities are excellent. Hamann was a better footballer all around. He was better at keeping possession and passing the ball around. He wasn't one dimensional too and contributed a lot to our momentum and our build up plays, something that Lucas and Masch never do. Ok, he didn't get too many goals, but at least he had his contributions by starting a play at the back, similarly to Alonso (although Alonso had better vision and passing).

cant agrue with Hamann's defensive qualities but he offer almost nothing in attack just like Masch.

i still remember the days watching Hamann pass the ball sideways or backwards almost everytime during GH's era.

[Johnny Boy]

Missed Lucas last night, especially second half , we had nobody breaking up their play.

[tonyeh]

A couple of Opta stats on Twitter stood out for me today, showing how well Lucas is doing -

89.7% - Paul Scholes has the best pass completion of any Englishman in the PL this season.

83% - Lucas has completed 83% of his passes for Liverpool in the PL this season.

Not bad considering how bad his previous seasons were, no one can deny the improvements he has made. This seasons stats only go to show he is developing his game to be more reliable. I definitely see a change in his decision making when it comes to passing.

Whats the length of those passes?
What was the direction?
What did they contribute to the overall game?

Pass completion is a nonsense stat, with the greater context.

Billy passback can complete every single pass back to his goalie and look great on paper, but it'll be feck all use to anyone.

I guess you are one of those who refuses to credit Lucas this season. I hated him but this season he has been a revelation.

His passing has been far more than sideways and safe, he has developed an attacking instinct and an eye for an imaginative pass. Anyone who watches a game will see that.

Considering his passing is far more diverse this season, 83% I'd bloody good. But obviously some can't be pleased.

I'll give credit where credit is due and I've already said he's gone from being shite, to slightly less shite.

The bottom line however remains that he's just not that good a player. Certainly not good enough to be playing in the heart of a Liverpool midfield.

[stmichael]

gone from being "sh#te to slightly less sh#te"?

honestly some of our "fans" are embarassing.

infact sod it i can't even be bothered going over again why he's such a vital part of the team again. what's the point?

oh i see he's in the brazil squad again. i tell you what that brazilian manager needs sacking. he must be clueless.

[metalhead]

gone from being "sh#te to slightly less sh#te"?

honestly some of our "fans" are embarassing.

infact sod it i can't even be bothered going over again why he's such a vital part of the team again. what's the point?

oh i see he's in the brazil squad again. i tell you what that brazilian manager needs sacking. he must be clueless.

honestly I can't believe how overrated he is by our own fans

Yes he made the Brazil squad so he must be World Class

[worcester_red]

gone from being "sh#te to slightly less sh#te"?

honestly some of our "fans" are embarassing.

infact sod it i can't even be bothered going over again why he's such a vital part of the team again. what's the point?

oh i see he's in the brazil squad again. i tell you what that brazilian manager needs sacking. he must be clueless.

Is Lucas better than Hamman or Macherano, yes or no?
I think he has improved this season but I still don't think he is a good player but maybe if he keeps improving he might eventually win over all the fans.

[stmichael]

who said he was world class? don't be so f#cking daft. 

he's a vital part of the team who allows better players around him to flourish. is that really so hard to comprehend? his willingness to constantly make himself available improves the fluency of the side.

nobody can watch the game last night and say that lucas' presence wouldn't have improved gerrard's performance either as he wouldn't have been wasting his time picking the ball up off the centre halfs all the time.

[stmichael]

Is Lucas better than Hamman or Macherano, yes or no?

What has that got to do with anything?

All you have to ask is whether he is the best player we have at the moment to play in the defensive midfield role? The answer is an undoubted yes so for that reason alone he deserves his place in the side. He's a far better player than Poulsen and Spearing. No other central midfielders we have are more suited to the role as they're more attack minded.

Whether you think he's good enough long term is a differnt matter but for now I wish the fans would get behind the lad instead of coming out with embarassing comments such as "he's slightly less sh#tethan he was". Anyone who thinks that knows nothing about football.