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[sully0182]

to be honest, i'd say lucas won't hold his place in the team as soon as the aquaman is fit, his passing just isn't up to it. While he has done well at times in our first few games, his mistakes have cost us a lot, i'd rather see him playing badly and not costing us goals than playing well and making the mistakes he's made. As for Kuyt, going on his performances last year i'd give him a chance to get back his form, god knows we'll need him if we're gonna win the league.

[account deleted by request]

It really is coming to something when you can't make a comment on a players loss of form without being called arrogant. Kuyt is a decent player who did very well for us last season. That doesn't mean he is perfect, it doesn't mean he is above criticism. He has played poorly so far this season imo, hopefully he will soon get back to his best.   

As for Lucas I still hold slim hopes for him coming "good" at some stage. I don't think we have played the type of teams yet this season where he can really show his quality, especially as the balance of the team has been a little off, but we have a lot of games yet to play and again I am hopeful that he can cut back on the mistakes and show a little more than he has lately.

[burjennio]

This is a strange post. His layoff to Torres was a very good piece of play, but there really isn't any need for the rest of your comment. As for the "what does this mean exactly?" no it doesn't mean that everyone else gets a "by-ball" because I don't rate him. It's wrong on every count. I DO rate him as a right midfielder, last season he was excellent and proved me and many others wrong. I don't know how many times I've said that, but the predictability of the whole situation is you can't make a general point about Kuyt without people going completely off the rails, just as you have here.

All that "get over yourself" b0ll0cks, and the "plain arrogance".  You want to have a re-read of the posts in question fella and ask yourself who is being arrogant and who needs to get over themselves.


Re-read what I said "he's started the season pretty poorly if truth be known", Feck me sorry for slagging the bloke off so much. As for the bit about there being "no hope for me" if I can't see what you can see, I'd agree with that.

it simply comes across as another opportunity to slate the man IMO and i'm calling you on it, you may have claimed you were wrong but every other post you drop some little passive-aggressive comment about how he will "run around alot" or something else barely veiling your distain that the guy proved you wrong. You try to show objectivity but its blinded by the overestimation you have in your depth of football knowledge, and you're not alone. According to about 5 of you on here everything has gone horribly wrong this season because Alonso hasn't been suitably replaced, Lucas is sh*t and Rafas tactically inept, always doing the same predictable things, yet totally ignore the fact that the majority of goals conceded have came from set pieces or direct, aerial play, something that the midfield cannot address. That the Reds so far have controlled possession in every game except the opener against Spurs is also ignored in the witchhunt of Lucas, who thusfar has been OUTPERFORMING his more illustrious teamate Mascherano who seems to be playing far from his best, something that could also be said about our vice-captain for not only this season but the end of last. I find it odd how no one seems to remember how at the start of last season performances were also very poor, only then we seemed to have alot of luck at the right moments that saw us prevail. Finally, and Mick I know that you didnt take part in this to the extremes that others did so I apologize , when all evidence points to the contrary so called supporters on here have backed the unscrupulous owners of this club over the manager in regards to the finances he has received, when its blatantly obvious he was not given the funds he was promised or furthermore NEEDED for us to bridge that final gap and bring home that long overdue number nineteen.

This is probably my last post on here, the frustration of trying to defend the team time and time again is just too much. Some of you may think i'm a total tw*t and thats fair enough for whats its worth I think most of you are ok guys and girls, but some of you seem to have a vendetta against the team you claim to support and that is what I really cannot or ever will understand



YNWA

[tubby]

Ok lets see if i can make it clearer for you

1. We sell Xabi

2. We buy Aqualini

3.He is injured

4. We have to play the next best available = Lucas

5. Gerrard isnt as good as Xabi in the Xabi role

6.Gerrard has formed an outstanding partnership with Torres that last season we broke up to play Keane

7.He went back to the partnership once Keane went and lo and behold both Gerrard and Torres started scoring goals for fun


So in summary we have no one in the squad as good as xabi in the role xabi did for us - what does that mean then - well we play the next best available to us without damaging the other areas of the team - ie Lucas in their until Aqualini is fit to take his place or do we just play with 10 as we dont have anyone as good as Xabi in that role . 25 odd games Lucas played for us last season and how many did we loose ? NONE how many did we win - all bar two the others being draws - and some of those games where against the best team in the world ( when Xabi wasnt playing as well) so how the hell did we manage to not loose when lucas played so many games for us when he is so poor ?? how did we manage to win so many games with Lucas playing when he is so poor ?

It wasn't just that mate. Riera hardley played for those first few games and we lost a lot of creativity and game intelligence from him also. But against Bolton you could see how much we misssed him.

[REDTILLDEAD]

sorry should have made my point clear.... i like Kuyt when he plays in his propper position he plays well for Holland... goal every other game, he works hard, nobody works harder but he's wasted on the right......... and before you all get onto me he does have the touch of a baby rhino sometimes

While 'the great rafa' keeps playing kuyt on the right you wont see many goals from him.....he is more effective up front....but you might as well talk to the wall....coz' rafa aint, and wont listen.

Im sure only two people scored more goals in the club last season than kuyt and only one other right sided player in the prem scored more goals than kuyt so that suggests to me that Rafa knows what he is doing with regards Kuyt and you dont have the first clue .

well let me tell you.......your talking through your ar@e! as per.......you must be watching a different LFC to the one i have been watching for over 30 yrs.....what a load of sh1t some of you lot spout on here......laughable  

[DrPepe]

sorry should have made my point clear.... i like Kuyt when he plays in his propper position he plays well for Holland... goal every other game, he works hard, nobody works harder but he's wasted on the right......... and before you all get onto me he does have the touch of a baby rhino sometimes

While 'the great rafa' keeps playing kuyt on the right you wont see many goals from him.....he is more effective up front....but you might as well talk to the wall....coz' rafa aint, and wont listen.

Im sure only two people scored more goals in the club last season than kuyt and only one other right sided player in the prem scored more goals than kuyt so that suggests to me that Rafa knows what he is doing with regards Kuyt and you dont have the first clue .

well let me tell you.......your talking through your ar@e! as per.......you must be watching a different LFC to the one i have been watching for over 30 yrs.....what a load of sh1t some of you lot spout on here......laughable  

how many goals is this "many" that we won't see kuyt score when he plays on the right?

how many goals and assists makes him a good RM?

just an honest question, because to me he currently does enough of both of those things to be granted a position on the right of our midfield - to me , it's laughable to suggest otherwise 

[heimdall]

It's good to see everyone in such good cheer, everyone laughing away. 

[GYBS]

sorry should have made my point clear.... i like Kuyt when he plays in his propper position he plays well for Holland... goal every other game, he works hard, nobody works harder but he's wasted on the right......... and before you all get onto me he does have the touch of a baby rhino sometimes

While 'the great rafa' keeps playing kuyt on the right you wont see many goals from him.....he is more effective up front....but you might as well talk to the wall....coz' rafa aint, and wont listen.

Im sure only two people scored more goals in the club last season than kuyt and only one other right sided player in the prem scored more goals than kuyt so that suggests to me that Rafa knows what he is doing with regards Kuyt and you dont have the first clue .

well let me tell you.......your talking through your ar@e! as per.......you must be watching a different LFC to the one i have been watching for over 30 yrs.....what a load of sh1t some of you lot spout on here......laughable  

well done you backed up your point about kuyt with some good reasons there didnt you ? What has watching liverpool for 30 years got to do with kuyt ? Did you watch with your eyes shut ?
Lets simplify things for -
you stated that if rafa keeps playing kuyt where he is he wont score many goals ? Yet where is the backing for that pearl of wisdom from you ?
Last season rafa played kuyt there and he was third top scorer in the club behind torres and gerrard with double figure return on goals . Also there was only one other right sided player who scored more than him the prem and that was ronaldo . So where is the backing to support your theory ? I would like to hear it nice and reasoned as well as opposed to your normal reply of "because he is sh.it" ?
While i may disagree with people like mick and ace with what they are saying about players etc at least they are capable of putting some thought and backing into their opinion instead of just saying "he is sh.it " . Why dont you give it a try you might find people may take you more serious and will try and counter your debate .

[bunglemark2]

Jesus wept....you two at it again, wha' ?

I think I'll go and have a snooze until this blows over...

[heimdall]

Jesus wept....you two at it again, wha' ?

I think I'll go and have a snooze until this blows over...

In all seriousness it is getting fecking annoying now isn't it how every bloody thread degenerates. I know I've been guilty of it myself in the past but I'm really trying to behave these days as evidenced by my 2 cards. 

[REDTILLDEAD]

sorry should have made my point clear.... i like Kuyt when he plays in his propper position he plays well for Holland... goal every other game, he works hard, nobody works harder but he's wasted on the right......... and before you all get onto me he does have the touch of a baby rhino sometimes

While 'the great rafa' keeps playing kuyt on the right you wont see many goals from him.....he is more effective up front....but you might as well talk to the wall....coz' rafa aint, and wont listen.

Im sure only two people scored more goals in the club last season than kuyt and only one other right sided player in the prem scored more goals than kuyt so that suggests to me that Rafa knows what he is doing with regards Kuyt and you dont have the first clue .

well let me tell you.......your talking through your ar@e! as per.......you must be watching a different LFC to the one i have been watching for over 30 yrs.....what a load of sh1t some of you lot spout on here......laughable  

well done you backed up your point about kuyt with some good reasons there didnt you ? What has watching liverpool for 30 years got to do with kuyt ? Did you watch with your eyes shut ?
Lets simplify things for -
you stated that if rafa keeps playing kuyt where he is he wont score many goals ? Yet where is the backing for that pearl of wisdom from you ?
Last season rafa played kuyt there and he was third top scorer in the club behind torres and gerrard with double figure return on goals . Also there was only one other right sided player who scored more than him the prem and that was ronaldo . So where is the backing to support your theory ? I would like to hear it nice and reasoned as well as opposed to your normal reply of "because he is sh.it" ?
While i may disagree with people like mick and ace with what they are saying about players etc at least they are capable of putting some thought and backing into their opinion instead of just saying "he is sh.it " . Why dont you give it a try you might find people may take you more serious and will try and counter your debate .

Let me simplify things for you, very slowly for you........firstly kuyt has had a p1ss poor start to the season,his form has dipped so what do you want? for rafa to keep him on the right hoping he might catch fire?.....or play him in his rightfull position up front with torres were he should start.secondly.... i dont give a fukk whether or not you agree with your 'bum chums' mick +ace on football related topics.the point is you need to open your eyes and wake up and smell the coffee!......nerd!.

[GYBS]

Very mature well done

[SupitsJonF]

"Raw talent", such a BS word.

Anderson, .

Lucas, .

Babel,

Bendter, .

All raw talent, all abunch of useless players.

[sully0182]

Sorry, i know that this has nothing to do with lucas but i just heard chelski have been banned from the transfer market for the next two seasons and since there isn't a thread for this yet, i decided to post my thoughts on the issue here, they are as follows;


  now lets see ye win the league when ye can't buy it...

[Fauxy]

Sorry, i know that this has nothing to do with lucas but i just heard chelski have been banned from the transfer market for the next two seasons and since there isn't a thread for this yet, i decided to post my thoughts on the issue here, they are as follows;


  now lets see ye win the league when ye can't buy it...

There is a thread for that in the premiership section