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by **tubby** » Sun Sep 18, 2011 4:10 pm

Think Kelly is back in training. Should be ok for Brighton but id save him for Wolves. Play Flanno against Brighton.

by **alwayslfc** » Sun Sep 18, 2011 6:17 pm

After playing so well against Bolton and Stoke (all right we lost but outclassed them), today in terms of play we went to the opposite extreme. The team is still a Work-In-Progress despite more than 100 million in spending and the players we bought like Carroll, Hendo and Adam could be blunder signings esp. Carroll.

by **RED BEERGOGGLES** » Sun Sep 18, 2011 6:31 pm

The fiasco at Spurs would have seriously hurt Dalglish equally as much as it hurt the supporters. I believe a defeat such as this could be a turning point for the Reds,because lets face it we have dropped to our nadir ,surely we can sink no lower than that ridiculously inept display we witnessed earlier

by **red till i die!!** » Sun Sep 18, 2011 6:33 pm

back on topic??? .
we have been very mediocre so far this season and today kk got it so wrong.we were dominated from the word go and he had no answers or solutions to get us to raise our game.we should have made changes early on and especially when adam walked rather than leave it till the 70th min when any chance we had of getting anything out of it was well and truly gone.
kk needs to up his game as well as getting the players to up theirs.
he will ultimately be judged on his results and performances like that were not good enough under hodgson and they are not good enough under kenny.

by **stmichael** » Mon Sep 19, 2011 4:21 pm

4-4-2 will never be the way to way to go with the personnel we have, especially away from home against decent sides like spurs. we don't have the mobility in that area to get a hold on games. i adam is going to keep hi splace it's got to be in a three so that his strengths can be utilised and his weaknesses are marginalised. as for henderson, i couldn't work out for the life of me where he was playing yesterday. same for downing who has spent most of his liverpool career so far drifting almost in a free role rather than giving us balance. we have to go 4-3-3 from now on.

oh and the defence is still far too deep, which consequently pulls the midfield deeper and leaves the forwards isolated. it's no wonder suarez is getting frustrated when he's got nobody up with him or making any runs off the ball.

by **SouthCoastShankly** » Mon Sep 19, 2011 4:49 pm

Just heard that Kenny has been receiving vile abusive tweets after the Spurs results from so-called "fans". :angry:

"We Don't Want You" - Empire of the Kop

On Sunday I watched Liverpool put in a disappointing performance against Spurs and in the end had to endure a 4-0 defeat.

Forget the referee and the dismissals of Adam and Skrtel, forget the fact we had already lost the game before going down to 9 men and forget that even with 11 men we were poor.
However what we cannot forget as Liverpool fans is the totally embarrassing and shameful way some so-called “fans” have reacted to the defeat. Tweeting Kenny Dalglish with vile and despicable language is unacceptable and fundamentally wrong which ever way we analyse it.

What is so wrong with the modern Liverpool fan? Is it a show of frustration or simple disrespect?, either way its wrong.

Do these “fans” really believe by abusing Dalglish it will change the outcome of the Spurs match or if they use the most unacceptable insulating word that Dalglish will answer them and explain himself? Liverpool Football Club has the best and most loyal fans in the world but its reputation is being dragged into the gutter by mindless fools and pretend fans who only know football from a game console.

So we lost against Spurs and we conceded four goals. So what! It wouldn’t matter if it was 1-0 or 10-0 we lost three points simple as that.

The answer is how we react to that and what we learn from the defeat, not how we can hurl insults and behave in a way that make the fans look like uneducated idiots by calling for the head of the manager and to single out each player for criticism.

I’ve been a Liverpool fan for forty years and have never seen or experienced utter ridiculousness from Liverpool fans as I have witnessed over the past two weeks.

This is not a football management game or FIFA 2011 this is real football when sometimes results don’t always go your way and you don’t win.

I speak for the many decent and educated Liverpool fans when I say that I have a message to all the fans who have abused and sent vile comments to Kenny Dalglish because we lost a match “we don’t want you or you’re support”

by **jacdaniel** » Mon Sep 19, 2011 4:55 pm

Thats disgusting! Frustrating to lose 2 games but to talk about a Liverpool legend that way is just wrong. Or any manager for that matter.

by **Penguins** » Mon Sep 19, 2011 4:58 pm

It is way to early to insult or call for anyones head.
I am just worried, both of Kenny's preferences in players and(which goes hand in hand with the former) his total lack of ruthlessness.

He just loves brittish players and he will stay by his buys until the end it seems. As a manager it is a great strength to be able to swallow your pride and bench players no matter who they are if they don't perform. Kenny is showing no signs of that whatsoever.

It is clear as day that Carra needs phasing out and then Kenny comes out and says Carra's place is as safe as his vault.

I just hope he can turn it around and see the light or it can be ugly at the end of the season if he has persisted with Adam, Henderson and Carra the whole season....

by **SouthCoastShankly** » Mon Sep 19, 2011 5:15 pm

Penguins wrote:It is way to early to insult or call for anyones head.
I am just worried, both of Kenny's preferences in players and(which goes hand in hand with the former) his total lack of ruthlessness.

He just loves brittish players and he will stay by his buys until the end it seems. As a manager it is a great strength to be able to swallow your pride and bench players no matter who they are if they don't perform. Kenny is showing no signs of that whatsoever.

It is clear as day that Carra needs phasing out and then Kenny comes out and says Carra's place is as safe as his vault.

I just hope he can turn it around and see the light or it can be ugly at the end of the season if he has persisted with Adam, Henderson and Carra the whole season....

It has nothing whatsoever to do with Kenny not swallowing his pride.

I thought he made some selection mistakes but only specific to the game. I would of had no problem whatsoever reverting back to previous formations that included newly signed players.

You seem to be forgetting that although we have had two successive defeats, only one was justified.

Arsenal (A), Bolton (H), Stoke (A) all were great team displays with no signs of any of the team weaknesses we saw against Spurs. It was purely misfortune that led to the Stoke defeat.

Based on those previous performances why would Kenny doubt his selection and signings?

So I for one will be backing him because for the most part this season he has got it right. The Spurs game is a blip, nothing more.

by **stmichael** » Mon Sep 19, 2011 5:21 pm

SouthCoastShankly wrote:Just heard that Kenny has been receiving vile abusive tweets after the Spurs results from so-called "fans".

doesn't surprise me unfortunately. in the modern day, fickleness has been taken to extremes that are beyond laughable.

it's ok to say you think dalglish got the tactics wrong but any moron abusing him personally has no understanding of our club and its history or football in general for that matter. win the next three games and the same people will probably be singing his praises again.

by **woof woof !** » Mon Sep 19, 2011 6:11 pm

stmichael wrote:it's ok to say you think dalglish got the tactics wrong but any moron abusing him personally has no understanding of our club and its history or football in general for that matter. win the next three games and the same people will probably be singing his praises again.

Agreed.

Having said that .

Thought his post match interview lacked some class.

When asked if a player would feature in the next game he responded with

( sic) "I don't know I'm not a clairvoyant"

No Kenny, we don't expect you to be Mystic Meg but you are our manager, would have thought you'd have known who was in the running and personally I hoped for more than a lame response to a reasonable question.

by **neil** » Mon Sep 19, 2011 6:29 pm

stmichael wrote:oh and the defence is still far too deep, which consequently pulls the midfield deeper and leaves the forwards isolated. it's no wonder suarez is getting frustrated when he's got nobody up with him or making any runs off the ball.

yes, the defence is deep because we cant leave space behind carra/skrte. If we had johnson, coates, agga, enrique picked we could play further up the pitch. I expect that to be the back 4 pretty soon.

by **roysreds** » Mon Sep 19, 2011 9:42 pm

.
I was going to say something,

but i think i'll just keep it to myself

would feel a little like blasphemy

.

by **alwayslfc** » Tue Sep 20, 2011 2:47 am

The Spurs defeat was just a blip. Let's hope it is true. Appointing a manager or signing a new player is always a risk (look at A.Carroll). Only time will and can tell whether Kenny still has what it takes to bring back the good old days. For the past 20 years Liverpool had fallen asleep like the hare vs the tortoise race and let our rivals Man U, City, Chelsea, Arsenal raced ahead of us and now we suddenly realised (with our heads spinning) they are miles ahead of us and to catch up with them will need time, patience and money (millions of tons of it which we don't have at the moment).

So for the time being, just rally behind Kenny and wait till end of next May and review his report card. But I have to say the Spurs game was a disgrace and anymore such sh*t like performance is totally unacceptable despite Liverpool having created the problems (dud signings, conmen owners etc) before his reappointment.

by **Reg** » Tue Sep 20, 2011 3:59 am

Thats the problem with this new social media age, its too easy to insult people and make the headlines. KK has my sympathy.

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