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[Toffeehater]

i don think he would dare to say anything though , he denied them 2 pens also , and if he justifies his actions , he would be asked why did he not give everton their penalties , u're right thou he should not have been influenced by anyone to change his mind

[whylongball?]

Did we win today











Because i could have sworn we beat our local rivals and got 3pts away from home. Some of the comments on this and the match thread are feckin shameful . So what gerrard got subbed , he's not feckin god and if it was a tactical sub it was the right one ,cos WE FECKIN WON TODAY believe it or not. I'm seriously starting to believe that there is some sort of conspiracy to get the manager the boot . Would we all have taken 3pts before the game ,so what's the problem . Why is it impossible for gerrard to be subbed why ,someone tell me. If lucas had of scored would rafa be hailed as some sort of tactical genius again , probably not by the sack rafa brigade. Fine have the opinion that the manager shouldn't have subbed gerrard , but the lad who came on was in the position to win us the pen , if gerrard had of stayed on would we have won anyway ,maybe ,maybe not. We won 2-1 at the end of the day and that's what everyone wanted, THE MANAGER GOT IT RIGHT end of.

I'll bet you weren't thinking like this when we were 1-0 down or at 1-1. Be honest. You weren't.

I'll tell you what i was thinking when we were 0-1 down . How the feck are we 1 down ,because these are sh!te and we should be putting our chances away. When we went 1-1 up after a brilliant run by our captain i was thinking these are here for the taking. When rafa subbed gerrard i thought he must be injured or rafa was happy with the 1-1 and was saving gerrard for Besiktas. When lucas won us the pen i thought well in lad for being in the right position. When kuyt scored(just) i thought feckin right 3pts away from home and against the bitters awell ,made my week. Now at no point did i think rafa you feckin luney ,you've lost the plot , if we don't win this now you should be sacked , fecking ridiculous.

Those thoughts went through my head too. I just had to remind myself that apart from big Sami shanking the ball into the back of our own net, we didn't really do much wrong. The only thing I did think was wrong, though, was obvious: our right side. The bitters probably wouldnt have even been a threat to get that OG if the gap would have been patched up. Either way, we were away from home, didn't play that well but could have scored more goals at least from open play, and still won. Even if Rafa did go a bit nuts. We just can't afford to have those kind of mistakes in big games against the likes of Arsenal. It's slightly worrying is all.

we didnt do anything wrong but we didnt do anything right either...by not passing properly, scoring the other end..its worry for sure for cominng matches

[Toffeehater]

yea dude i do agree with you we did not do too much right also , it will be worrying against top teams

[Rafas-Y-Fronts]

If the referee shouldn't be influenced by anybody in his decision making......what is the point of him having the option to consult either of his two linesmen??

Clattenburg had the yellow card in his hand........Gerrard said something to him and you could clearly see Clattenburg saying No.

I can only assume that Gerrard said "Is he only getting booked for that....I was clean through!"

The referee then replied "No"....realising he was infact holding the wrong card and pulled out the correct RED CARD for which the offence warranted.

Either that or.......

Clattenburg didn't fancy issuing a red card in the Merseyside Derby due to the pressure of the fixture and tried to avoid this unless challenged...which he ultimately was by Gerrard and thought.." ....I have no choice but to issue the Red Card!".

If Hibbert had been allowed to remain on the field of play for that foul it would have been totally scandalous regardless of how the red card came about.

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[redmikey]

a couple of things from yesterday from me.

Gerrard was missing for large parts of the game yesterday and a couple of time was hardly breaking a walk to track back and tackle, i don't think he has been on his game since his foot injury imo, rafa wanted him to be supporting the front pair more to give the defender hell coming from deep, which he didn't do enough of for me, so i am shocked when people say it was terrible that SG was subbed or on the right

we were better going forward for short periods yesterday and yossie was a big part of most of the little give and go move that just didn't come off, he seem a more rounded player than garcia, but with out the goal threat that little luis had, voronin is a great signing who runs intelligently and holds the ball up really well

MOMO CANNOT PASS OR SHOOT

if we can take so more of the chances that we created we will start making it easier for ourselves away from home

and hopefully the lads will take some confident s from a grind of a result against a determined underdog, and put a great result in against the gunners who are flying at the moment

[Wilhelmsson]

Just got back from one of the most pathetic Liverpool derby wins EVER.

It is all very well puffing our chests out and celebrating the win but it was an ugly and sad performance made worse by the INEXPLICABLE subsitution of Gerrard while Sissoko stayed on the pitch. WTF is going on in Raffa's head ?

One of the saddest incidents was the calling for the sending off by Gerrard. It was a penalty and it was a sending off offence but it did NOT need a scouser pointing it out to the ref that the blue needed sending off. That is NOT the scouse way of playing !!


!00% away record and still not happy ?

It certainly was full of drama, but in truth I found the match to rather lifeless and the refereeing decisions rather dubious. I have no clue like yourself as to why Gerrard was taken off and three defensive midfielders were left on the pitch when the match was tight and level at one a piece.

Gerrard’s word to the referee was disgraceful and if I was Mark Clattenburg I’d have booked Gerrard for that, there is no need for it. I’m not concerned whether it’s the Scouse way of playing, but it was unprofessional behaviour and only highlights why football is an ugly sport.

The team was fortunate yesterday, but there needs to be a vast improvement in the teams up coming performances.

[dawson99]

gerrards word was disgraceful? do u know what he said then? as captain he has EVERY right to have a word, its up to the ref what he does with it.

and as for the substition, didnt lucas set up the penatly that won us the game?

[LFC2007]

Gerrard’s word to the referee was disgraceful and if I was Mark Clattenburg I’d have booked Gerrard for that, there is no need for it. I’m not concerned whether it’s the Scouse way of playing, but it was unprofessional behaviour and only highlights why football is an ugly sport.

So you heard what Gerrard said to Clattenburg?

Which player were you?

[Wilhelmsson]

Gerrard’s word to the referee was disgraceful and if I was Mark Clattenburg I’d have booked Gerrard for that, there is no need for it. I’m not concerned whether it’s the Scouse way of playing, but it was unprofessional behaviour and only highlights why football is an ugly sport.

So you heard what Gerrard said to Clattenburg?

Which player were you?

He clearly said to Clattenburg that it was a red card offence, either way his word with Mark persuaded the referee to go from using a yellow to producing a red.

[LFC2007]

Gerrard’s word to the referee was disgraceful and if I was Mark Clattenburg I’d have booked Gerrard for that, there is no need for it. I’m not concerned whether it’s the Scouse way of playing, but it was unprofessional behaviour and only highlights why football is an ugly sport.

So you heard what Gerrard said to Clattenburg?

Which player were you?

He clearly said to Clattenburg that it was a red card offence, either way his word with Mark persuaded the referee to go from using a yellow to producing a red.

So you're a qualified lip reader, or you're Jon Arne Riise?

Which is it?

You're confident Gerrard didn't say something along the lines of 'I was about to shoot'?


.....or 'I was in on goal'.

Statement of fact, there is nothing wrong with that.

It's up to Clattenburg to make his own decision. Gerrard was not pleading with the ref, he spoke to him in the passing.

Only an idiot would accuse Gerrard of unsportsmanlike behaviour in this case, given that a) we don't actually know what he said to the ref, and b) it's perfectly plausible that Gerrard made a statement of fact about his position.


Now Jon, are you about to call my bluff?

[murphy0151]

Just got back from one of the most pathetic Liverpool derby wins EVER.

It is all very well puffing our chests out and celebrating the win but it was an ugly and sad performance made worse by the INEXPLICABLE subsitution of Gerrard while Sissoko stayed on the pitch. WTF is going on in Raffa's head ?

One of the saddest incidents was the calling for the sending off by Gerrard. It was a penalty and it was a sending off offence but it did NOT need a scouser pointing it out to the ref that the blue needed sending off. That is NOT the scouse way of playing !!


!00% away record and still not happy ?

It certainly was full of drama, but in truth I found the match to rather lifeless and the refereeing decisions rather dubious. I have no clue like yourself as to why Gerrard was taken off and three defensive midfielders were left on the pitch when the match was tight and level at one a piece.

Gerrard’s word to the referee was disgraceful and if I was Mark Clattenburg I’d have booked Gerrard for that, there is no need for it. I’m not concerned whether it’s the Scouse way of playing, but it was unprofessional behaviour and only highlights why football is an ugly sport.

The team was fortunate yesterday, but there needs to be a vast improvement in the teams up coming performances.

Whos the the three defensive midfielders left on?

Just beacuse on football manager it says Lucas is a defensive midfielder, dosnt mean he is. 


AS for the match yesterday, what a day.  If I could of planned the game myself it wouldnt of been no different them the way it panned out yesterday.  I wouldnt of changed a thing.

Winning after an international fixture away from home is good enough for me.  I werent arsed the way we played. 3 points is 3 points.

[destro]

Until Gerrard or Clattenburg comes out and says what was said we will all just have to wait for either Zoo or Nutz magazine to come out next week

As for the way we played ( I am still not bothered by the way) it was a Derby game and they are hardly ever classic free flowing football matches these days, as far as I am concerned in the blood and thunder of a Derby match mistakes are made by both sets of players and I never judge how we play in them, the result was the most important thing and to me the ONLY thing that matters.

The next two games, Besiktas and Arsenal will be completely different games to the Derby and we WILL be at our best again for those two matches, lets save the "Expert analysis" for those two and for now enjoy what was a sweet,sweet victory 

[Wilhelmsson]

So you're a qualified lip reader, or you're Jon Arne Riise?

Which is it?

You're confident Gerrard didn't say something along the lines of 'I was about to shoot'?


.....or 'I was in on goal'.

Statement of fact, there is nothing wrong with that.

It's up to Clattenburg to make his own decision. Gerrard was not pleading with the ref, he spoke to him in the passing.

Only an idiot would accuse Gerrard of unsportsmanlike behaviour in this case, given that a) we don't actually know what he said to the ref, and b) it's perfectly plausible that Gerrard made a statement of fact about his position.


Now Jon, are you about to call my bluff?

The fact of the matter is, Gerrard should not have been anywhere near the referee, he approached the referee which is unacceptable behaviour, it might be a coincidence that Clattenburg replaced a yellow with a red, bit it’s not the first time Gerrard has persuaded the referee.

Only in football can a player approach the referee and persuade him, in any other sport the player would have been reprimanded. Gerrard influenced Clattenburg’s decision and if I was the FA, I’d make an example out of Gerrard. It’s unsportsmanlike like in every manner.

Whos the the three defensive midfielders left on?

Just beacuse on football manager it says Lucas is a defensive midfielder, dosnt mean he is. 

Sissoko, Mascherano and Lucas are all what is known as defensive midfielders and Lucas is one, I know that because I have been on a few Brazilian forums and the members on there say Lucas is a defensive minded player who will one day play behind Kaka for Brazil.