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[redbeergoggles]

Never mind St I expect Mick might include it in one of regular his updates on Bent's progress 

Darren Bent. I know he went down early but...

[Beachdrifter]

As an older Liverpool Support, I hate what Ngog has done.
And since more and more foreign players have come into the British game it seems more prevelant not as some people suggest because the games is a lot faster and you THINK you are going to be fouled. Look at player like Tommy Smith had his knee cap sheared in half at a European game and tried to play on for a few minutes. Just because the sleightest contact is made you don't have to go down as if you've been shot. Look at ronado last season if he was tackled it looked as though his career had been ended yet he can write off his car and walk away without a scratch
It doesn't matter who it is or who you play for but if after the game it proven on replay that you did dive then it should be an automatic 5  game ban AND maybe even a point deducted. The game is simple it's about skill and putting the ball in the back of the net.
Shankly said he would never cheat the fans or players and would not allow his players to, I don't want to see any LIVERPOOL player dive or cheat. I don't care what other players teams do, Liverpool play the game the way it should be played.

[Ben Patrick]

It was a bad dive or a good one depends on how you look at it 

Seriously though, he was going down before the ridiculous challenge and it was never a penalty.
I personally dont want one of our players doing it. It might be something Ronaldo or some other player has done in the past but still - its not what i want to see.

Other than that the lad has improved.
His finish for the goal was brilliant and he was unlucky with the initial effort where he stole accross his marker that Hart saved.
Looks like he fades in the second half but the effort he put in in the first half you can expect that i suppose.

More optimistic about him now than in the past is all i can say.
Fair play to him.

[Lando_Griffin]

How long will it be before Whiskey-nose stomps in and condemns the lad, too?

Carsley is a dirty b*tter c*nt and if N'gog hadn't dived he would have been crippled by the slaphead.

Serves the toffee tw*t right.

[Rush Job]

As an older Liverpool Support, I hate what Ngog has done.
And since more and more foreign players have come into the British game it seems more prevelant not as some people suggest because the games is a lot faster and you THINK you are going to be fouled. Look at player like Tommy Smith had his knee cap sheared in half at a European game and tried to play on for a few minutes. Just because the sleightest contact is made you don't have to go down as if you've been shot. Look at ronado last season if he was tackled it looked as though his career had been ended yet he can write off his car and walk away without a scratch
It doesn't matter who it is or who you play for but if after the game it proven on replay that you did dive then it should be an automatic 5  game ban AND maybe even a point deducted. The game is simple it's about skill and putting the ball in the back of the net.
Shankly said he would never cheat the fans or players and would not allow his players to, I don't want to see any LIVERPOOL player dive or cheat. I don't care what other players teams do, Liverpool play the game the way it should be played.

The times they are a changin.
Like SG has never dived to win us a pen.
Like we didnt get beat because of a fkin beachball, that everyone bar non in the stadium saw.
Strange how the media have absolutely crucified our player without once mentioning all the other drives that happend at the weekend, like its a LFC only problem.
Every player in the league has had a dive yet its only a serious problem once we get a point out of it.

[tommycockles]

I am not sure it was blatent cheating. Carsley dove in fast and N'gog seemed to be avoiding a crunching tackle. The mistake was however N'gog not leaving a trailing leg to be hit. Whether he got the player or not it was a reckless challenge in the box, and a more experienced player would have left his leg there to be clipped by the defender, and we would not be calling him a cheat. Fact is if N'gog did not dive out of the way, it would have hurt. The defender was lucky to have not made contact with player and if N'gog did not go for the swandive, there would have been contact. N'gog's smirk did not help things though.

Sorry Kazza for me someone who has played football (not saying you haven't) as a striker I know that was a dive you only do that if you have in your mind to cheat.It might seem like fast paced but when you get into those areas you mind catchs up and sometimes feel like you have forever to chose to carry on or take the fall.Now I am not saying Carsley didn't dive in and on another day Ngog could have done the dive better (and like you said leave his leg in) and made it look less of a cheating attempt.But any striker knows what he did was a dive.I know deep down he knows it as well but he is hardly going to come out and say yeah I dived it serve him no reward.

But any ways if the F.A fine him or give him 2 match ban or whatever I don't think he would moan about it and its not like he is the first to dive.I know of many pro's who would do the same thing and would admit it.So lets move on I just doubt he have it on his highlight reel when he retires thats all. 

TBH i don't condone diving but i actually agree with Kazza; and Dazzer i play football and yeah he did dive but i would also say that if he hadn't have jumped (before he dove) Carsley would have clobbered him as Ngog had clipped the ball past him.

what is he to do? He's in a goal scoring opportunity (or a dangerous position to set one up), Carsley makes a challenge that misses the ball but makes Ngog lose control of the ball (as he had to jump the challenge). Should he just thank the guy for not putting him on the injury table like the rest of our players and happily lose the great position he'd put himself in and settle for the 2-1 loss, or get something out of his great piece of attacking play. He chose the second which all strikers would do (even Gerrard's dove a number of times).

Yes it was a dive, but it was also a foul whether he hit him or not, it was clear obstruction and you can't rely on the refs doing the right thing so you have to spell it out for them.

Give the guy a break!

[Igor Zidane]

I am not sure it was blatent cheating. Carsley dove in fast and N'gog seemed to be avoiding a crunching tackle. The mistake was however N'gog not leaving a trailing leg to be hit. Whether he got the player or not it was a reckless challenge in the box, and a more experienced player would have left his leg there to be clipped by the defender, and we would not be calling him a cheat. Fact is if N'gog did not dive out of the way, it would have hurt. The defender was lucky to have not made contact with player and if N'gog did not go for the swandive, there would have been contact. N'gog's smirk did not help things though.

Sorry Kazza for me someone who has played football (not saying you haven't) as a striker I know that was a dive you only do that if you have in your mind to cheat.It might seem like fast paced but when you get into those areas you mind catchs up and sometimes feel like you have forever to chose to carry on or take the fall.Now I am not saying Carsley didn't dive in and on another day Ngog could have done the dive better (and like you said leave his leg in) and made it look less of a cheating attempt.But any striker knows what he did was a dive.I know deep down he knows it as well but he is hardly going to come out and say yeah I dived it serve him no reward.

But any ways if the F.A fine him or give him 2 match ban or whatever I don't think he would moan about it and its not like he is the first to dive.I know of many pro's who would do the same thing and would admit it.So lets move on I just doubt he have it on his highlight reel when he retires thats all. 

TBH i don't condone diving but i actually agree with Kazza; and Dazzer i play football and yeah he did dive but i would also say that if he hadn't have jumped (before he dove) Carsley would have clobbered him as Ngog had clipped the ball past him.

what is he to do? He's in a goal scoring opportunity (or a dangerous position to set one up), Carsley makes a challenge that misses the ball but makes Ngog lose control of the ball (as he had to jump the challenge). Should he just thank the guy for not putting him on the injury table like the rest of our players and happily lose the great position he'd put himself in and settle for the 2-1 loss, or get something out of his great piece of attacking play. He chose the second which all strikers would do (even Gerrard's dove a number of times).

Yes it was a dive, but it was also a foul whether he hit him or not, it was clear obstruction and you can't rely on the refs doing the right thing so you have to spell it out for them.

Give the guy a break!

Spot on that Tommy lad . Don't know about DOVE though , is that a real word?

[made in UK]

As an older Liverpool Support, I hate what Ngog has done.
And since more and more foreign players have come into the British game it seems more prevelant not as some people suggest because the games is a lot faster and you THINK you are going to be fouled. Look at player like Tommy Smith had his knee cap sheared in half at a European game and tried to play on for a few minutes. Just because the sleightest contact is made you don't have to go down as if you've been shot. Look at ronado last season if he was tackled it looked as though his career had been ended yet he can write off his car and walk away without a scratch
It doesn't matter who it is or who you play for but if after the game it proven on replay that you did dive then it should be an automatic 5  game ban AND maybe even a point deducted. The game is simple it's about skill and putting the ball in the back of the net.
Shankly said he would never cheat the fans or players and would not allow his players to, I don't want to see any LIVERPOOL player dive or cheat. I don't care what other players teams do, Liverpool play the game the way it should be played.

The times they are a changin.
Like SG has never dived to win us a pen.
Like we didnt get beat because of a fkin beachball, that everyone bar non in the stadium saw.
Strange how the media have absolutely crucified our player without once mentioning all the other drives that happend at the weekend, like its a LFC only problem.
Every player in the league has had a dive yet its only a serious problem once we get a point out of it.

Just because times are changing it doesn't make it right though.

[kazza]

Spot on that Tommy lad . Don't know about DOVE though , is that a real word?

Isn't that a white pigeon

[akumaface]

I don't think diving is right as most of us already hate the divemaster Cristiano and condemn his act when he was still in EPL. Yes Ngog got us a point but that doesn't make it right. It is now up to the league to decide as it is out of our hand. The main thing is not to do it again and educate him not to make it as a habit. We shouldn't tolerate this kind of play in our team as we are a team with pride and fairplay.

[REDTILLDEAD]

N'gog is a disgrace.....apart from being nowhere near good enough to wear the Red shirt.....he should be off loaded in january.

[made in UK]

The young Frenchman is getting some stick here (I don't agree with diving) but Gerrard doesn't KOP this kind of flack.

[bunglemark2]

N'gog is a disgrace.....apart from being nowhere near good enough to wear the Red shirt.....he should be off loaded in january.

What a daft comment. He's a kid, learning his trade, and has shown some pretty deft touches in recent games. He has more skill, more of an attitude, and is more of a team player than that spanner Voronin. PLUS, N'gog is lashing in the goals at U21 level. Deffo keep him.

[TheLad]

He is a true Red already, as he says in this interview, Liverpool being the biggest club in the world. :-) Love that kid.
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_5690428,00.html

[tommycockles]

I am not sure it was blatent cheating. Carsley dove in fast and N'gog seemed to be avoiding a crunching tackle. The mistake was however N'gog not leaving a trailing leg to be hit. Whether he got the player or not it was a reckless challenge in the box, and a more experienced player would have left his leg there to be clipped by the defender, and we would not be calling him a cheat. Fact is if N'gog did not dive out of the way, it would have hurt. The defender was lucky to have not made contact with player and if N'gog did not go for the swandive, there would have been contact. N'gog's smirk did not help things though.

Sorry Kazza for me someone who has played football (not saying you haven't) as a striker I know that was a dive you only do that if you have in your mind to cheat.It might seem like fast paced but when you get into those areas you mind catchs up and sometimes feel like you have forever to chose to carry on or take the fall.Now I am not saying Carsley didn't dive in and on another day Ngog could have done the dive better (and like you said leave his leg in) and made it look less of a cheating attempt.But any striker knows what he did was a dive.I know deep down he knows it as well but he is hardly going to come out and say yeah I dived it serve him no reward.

But any ways if the F.A fine him or give him 2 match ban or whatever I don't think he would moan about it and its not like he is the first to dive.I know of many pro's who would do the same thing and would admit it.So lets move on I just doubt he have it on his highlight reel when he retires thats all. 

TBH i don't condone diving but i actually agree with Kazza; and Dazzer i play football and yeah he did dive but i would also say that if he hadn't have jumped (before he dove) Carsley would have clobbered him as Ngog had clipped the ball past him.

what is he to do? He's in a goal scoring opportunity (or a dangerous position to set one up), Carsley makes a challenge that misses the ball but makes Ngog lose control of the ball (as he had to jump the challenge). Should he just thank the guy for not putting him on the injury table like the rest of our players and happily lose the great position he'd put himself in and settle for the 2-1 loss, or get something out of his great piece of attacking play. He chose the second which all strikers would do (even Gerrard's dove a number of times).

Yes it was a dive, but it was also a foul whether he hit him or not, it was clear obstruction and you can't rely on the refs doing the right thing so you have to spell it out for them.

Give the guy a break!

Spot on that Tommy lad . Don't know about DOVE though , is that a real word?

Yep, definitely a word. Although i did doubt myself until i searched online!! 

v. dived or dove (dv), dived, div·ing, dives

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/dive