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[dawson99]

....it comes at the end of another disappoint and miserable season under Benitez, it is the third empty handed seasons in succession,....

I can never read an article and take it seriously when the first sentence includes factually inaccurate stements like this.

2006 FA Cup Winners - Liverpool FC.

maybe he thinks this is an arsenal forum?   

[GRAHAM01]

it not just about what we spent this year or what they spent this year you have to look back over the last few season and see that while we were buying squad players here and there the likes of scum and chavski were spending mills each year on one or two top players, match winners not bench warmers

but then again even there bench warmers cost more than some of are so called top players

[account deleted by request]

We spent over £70million on transfers this season - which team spent more ?

Where ?

Torres     £26.5m
Benayoun £5 m
Babel       £11.5m
Insua       £1.3
Skrtel       £6.5m
Mascherano £18m
Leto          £1.8

Total £70.6million - add in Dominguez and Itandje to cover your quibbling about how much Torres cost and I think that just about covers it mate 

[GRAHAM01]

....it comes at the end of another disappoint and miserable season under Benitez, it is the third empty handed seasons in succession,....

I can never read an article and take it seriously when the first sentence includes factually inaccurate stements like this.

2006 FA Cup Winners - Liverpool FC.

maybe he thinks this is an arsenal forum?   

[Dundalk]

We spent over £70million on transfers this season - which team spent more ?

Where ?

Torres     £26.5m
Benayoun £5 m
Babel       £11.5m
Insua       £1.3
Skrtel       £6.5m
Mascherano £18m
Leto          £1.8

Total £70.6million - add in Dominguez and Itandje to cover your quibbling about how much Torres cost and I think that just about covers it mate 

Yeah but how much did we take back in selling players

[Reg]

Those youngsters didnt come for free either.

[Reg]

TOMKINS: SILVER LININGS ABOUND
Paul Tomkins 01 May 2008 

Everything in life has a silver lining. Even the worst things imaginable, providing they are survived, can make you stronger, or more humble, or more appreciative. 

Liverpool may end the season empty-handed, but have shown the guts and determination to try and rescue lost causes, right from the fourth game of the group stage onwards when the most remarkable escape act was undertaken. And, of course, there's been no little quality too. Goals have been in plentiful supply, and it's been a memorable campaign that was alive until the 120th minute of the semi-final second-leg.
 
In football, you have to take the rough with the smooth. Character is borne from setbacks, whether deserved or not. As with last year, I don't think a potential Champions League Final against Manchester United was what this relatively young team needed right now in terms of its development. I know a lot of fans feel the same, but of course, no Red wanted anything other than a Liverpool win once the semi-final kicked off.
 
It's not that I think United's recent record against Liverpool, and the fact that they're ahead in terms of team development, made them massive favourites; for a game like that it had to be 50-50.
 
After all, Benítez had won the only cup game against United, back in 2006, and Liverpool have a better psychological air in the Champions League. But it would have been too big a game –– the biggest club game Europe has ever seen; I said the same a year ago when the possibility was on the horizon. Liverpool have improved since then, but United are still the older, more experienced and more expensively-assembled side.
 
It would have been 50-50 odds, but like in a game of Russian roulette with three bullets in six chambers –– an especially apt metaphor, given the location of the final. United fans weren't keen on the idea either, but at least they had the league title in the bag as something to fall back on.
 
They could bounce back more easily from losing the final, and as things stand, Liverpool, I feel, can bounce back more easily from losing the semi-final than had defeat occurred in Russia. But it wasn't to be.
 
The law of averages suggested Chelsea had to win a semi-final against Liverpool sooner or later. The first goal is always crucial, and that it was offside in the build-up is irritating but par for the course of rubbish decisions when Liverpool play Chelsea. Even the one decision Chelsea feel they were cheated out of, in 2005, saved them from conceding a penalty and having Cech sent off. (The ref that night seems to be the only person outside of Liverpool fans who acknowledges this.)
 
The two decisions involving Sami Hyypia summed up Liverpool's luck with officials in games against Chelsea –– the Finn gave away a blatant penalty (no arguments there) but won an equally blatant one, too. Or rather, he would have had the referee not bottled it, putting his whistle to his lips but mysteriously changing his mind.
 
At least the officials rightly struck off Essien's goal, with a player jumping up and down in front of Reina as one of four offside players. If these type of offences aren't offside, as with the one at the weekend at Birmingham, then the law is an absolute joke.
 
Liverpool also had the worse luck with injuries, losing defenders in both games. So everything went against the Reds.
 
I have to say that didn't agree with Rafa's tactic of singling out Drogba for criticism, even though I totally agreed with the sentiment over the way such a powerful player can be strong when he wants to be, but when the defenders stand up to him with equal force, as they have to, he crumples like an aneamic anorexic. But Drogba would have been fired up for this one either way.
 
So overall I'm disappointed –– but not disheartened; far from it. I look for the positives, the signs of progress, as a matter of course. There's been plenty this season; alas, other teams are progressing too, and you can't do anything about that. I'm sure Rafa would love to be able to buy players like Anelka for £15m in the middle of the season, just to use them from the bench. But how many managers have such a luxury?
 
This season Liverpool have scored far more goals than in recent years (116 so far), but on the whole not without sacrificing defensive stability. Progress. Six players have got into double figures, and I can't recall the last time that happened. Again, progress. The overall balance of the side is very strong, and as with last summer the right additions can take the team up another level; unlike last summer, the project is that bit nearer completion. But there's still room for improvement in a couple of positions, and in the overall depth of the squad.
 
What Benítez has done is create a side that never says die; this team has come from behind to win key games ever since he arrived –– Olympiacos, Luton, AC Milan, and most recently, Arsenal –– and defensive or one-dimensional teams don't do that. It gave every last ounce of effort at Stamford Bridge, and over the two games Petr Cech had the more meaningful saves to make.
 
Unfortunately, one newspaper piece this morning read: "After four seasons under Benítez Liverpool are no closer to Chelsea, Manchester United and Arsenal in the league than they were in 2004 when Gérard Houllier left Anfield."
 
I respect the author, having known him a few years ago, but this is utter tripe, as was the suggestion that Benítez is still living off Istanbul. The gap was 30 points in 2004, and 21 points last season. Currently it's down to 11 points. How is that being 'no closer' to the other three big clubs? I'm no mathematician, but even I can spot a closing gap. Over the past three seasons, Liverpool have accrued more league points than Arsenal, lest we forget.
 
Meanwhile, the gap to fifth has been extended, with three good away results recently secured with a 'squad' team. Again, more signs of progress.
 
As a result, Liverpool are comfortably established within the top four, something that wasn't the case four/five years ago. But the challenge to win the title remains an immense one, given that the other three teams are also especially strong, particularly the top two with their far greater riches.
 
The Reds didn't lose to either Chelsea or Arsenal in the league, or to either London side over 90 minutes in four Champions League games (defeat to Chelsea came in extra-time, and in the League Cup which is now a virtual reserves competition). That's eight meaningful games of parity between Liverpool and two clubs who were miles ahead when Benítez arrived. Manchester United still have the upper hand in head-to-heads, but a bit more luck for Liverpool at Anfield and that will deservedly change.
 
I've mentioned the success of the Reds' youth and reserve teams a few times lately, but that's all part of the overall improvement; it took both Ferguson and Wenger years to get their systems right before players started filtering through to the first team, so Benítez and his staff have done an excellent job in this respect. I'd expect journalists to pay some kind of attention to all the work a manager does, particularly laying foundations.
 
Six of this season's signings –– Torres, Babel, Benayoun, Skrtel, Lucas, and the now permanently-signed Mascherano –– have all added new dimensions, with each looking a very astute buy; the average age of that sextet is just 23. Voronin and Leto haven't quite worked out as yet, for a number of reasons including injury, but neither is a bad player. Also, a number of teenagers have featured in the first team in the league this season.
 
And all this during another European season that was very, very good, and fell just a fraction short of being excellent. But it's more experience to bank, more victories against top sides on the way to almost making a third final in four seasons.
 
Regardless of who wins this year's final, no team in Europe has a better Champions League record than the Liverpool manager in Benítez's four years –– the Reds are joint-best with AC Milan, who have also won one of two finals, reached one further semi-final, and fallen at the last-16 stage since Benítez took charge.
 
If that's not progress for a club ailing in the UEFA Cup in 2003/04, I am utterly at a loss to suggest what is.

[account deleted by request]

We spent over £70million on transfers this season - which team spent more ?

Where ?

Torres     £26.5m
Benayoun £5 m
Babel       £11.5m
Insua       £1.3
Skrtel       £6.5m
Mascherano £18m
Leto          £1.8

Total £70.6million - add in Dominguez and Itandje to cover your quibbling about how much Torres cost and I think that just about covers it mate 

Yeah but how much did we take back in selling players

Thats not what I said mate , but you expect me to give him points for having to sell the cr@p he bought in the first place? When he was selling Houlliers cr@p that was fair enough, but now he's selling the cr@p that he brought in. Bellamy, Gonzales, Palletta even Garcia and Sissoko (both of whom I don't consider cr@p) but who WANTED to go. Maybe we should just add in what they cost us in Transfer fees, Signing on fees, and Wages, then take off what we got for them ? 

[dawson99]

We spent over £70million on transfers this season - which team spent more ?

Where ?

Torres     £26.5m
Benayoun £5 m
Babel       £11.5m
Insua       £1.3
Skrtel       £6.5m
Mascherano £18m
Leto          £1.8

Total £70.6million - add in Dominguez and Itandje to cover your quibbling about how much Torres cost and I think that just about covers it mate 

Yeah but how much did we take back in selling players

not the point, comes back to turnover of players and money. no point buying players then selling next season, tis dead weight which we cant afford. this season we are finally buying class ie torres and masher

[Leonmc0708]

We spent over £70million on transfers this season - which team spent more ?

Where ?

Torres     £26.5m
Benayoun £5 m
Babel       £11.5m
Insua       £1.3
Skrtel       £6.5m
Mascherano £18m
Leto          £1.8

Total £70.6million - add in Dominguez and Itandje to cover your quibbling about how much Torres cost and I think that just about covers it mate 

I thought you where a bit wiser than to use tabloid price tags.

Splitting hairs a bit, but Mascherano package is £18 and includes wages, and Torres cost £19.5 cash plus Garcia, Insua and LEto where both bought at the end of the 2006-07 season, not this season.

[account deleted by request]

We spent over £70million on transfers this season - which team spent more ?

Where ?

Torres     £26.5m
Benayoun £5 m
Babel       £11.5m
Insua       £1.3
Skrtel       £6.5m
Mascherano £18m
Leto          £1.8

Total £70.6million - add in Dominguez and Itandje to cover your quibbling about how much Torres cost and I think that just about covers it mate 

I thought you where a bit wiser than to use tabloid price tags.

Splitting hairs a bit, but Mascherano package is £18 and includes wages, and Torres cost £19.5 cash plus Garcia, Insua and LEto where both bought at the end of the 2006-07 season, not this season.

Torres also cost us £250k for every 15 goals he scores during his 7 year contract we have already paid an additional £500k and at the rate he is scoring, he is going to cost us quite a bit more!!!

Emiliano Insúa Boca Juniors £1,300,000 26.08.2007

Sebastian Leto Club Atlético Lanús £1,800,000 01.07.2007

As for Maschers package including wages - I thought that mate but I am not so sure now.

[Big Niall]

Gave it their all and can hold their heads up. Chelsea are the better team though and I hope they win league and CL to shut Fergie up (although I think there is something sinister about their supporters like Millwall,Leeds and Rangers).

I would sell (or not give new contracts to) Kuyt,Pennant,Kewell,Risse,Banayoun,Arbeloa,legend Hypia,Voronin,Crouch(Rafa doesn't like him),Alonso (what happened him over last two years?),Finnan(getting old),

Reina,Agger,Skrtel,SG,Masch,Torres and maybe babel are good enough to win league medals - get four other players and that is a top team.

[REDTILLDEAD]

We spent over £70million on transfers this season - which team spent more ?

Where ?

Torres     £26.5m
Benayoun £5 m
Babel       £11.5m
Insua       £1.3
Skrtel       £6.5m
Mascherano £18m
Leto          £1.8

Total £70.6million - add in Dominguez and Itandje to cover your quibbling about how much Torres cost and I think that just about covers it mate 

Yes and here lies the problem........we have spent (or rather rafa has) over  £70 million on players (some only average at that?) and we end up finishing 4th, without any trophies....and everton with little or no money and a smaller squad than ours finish 5th? one place behind us........that for me sums up rafa beneitz.......thats what he should be judged on.....if he is given another season and more money who is to say he wont do exactly the same as this season, and use the money to buy more avarage overpaid players?......if you have the money then spend big on top quality.......not on under preforming below average, and overated players......i think we need a change of direction....someone with a different approach to buying players...thank you and goodbye rafa.

[kunilson]

Well finally the media have their dream final of Man U vs Chelsea.....no Liverpool to spoil the party this time....

Not for a lack of trying though, i think we can hold heads high as to the way we went out last night.
The first half was just terrible, we could hardly control the ball let alone pass it, and it was only a matter of time before chelsea scored....but we fought back in the 2nd half, great run by yossi and lovely finish by Torres in one of our only chances of the match. It was then that we finally got a grip on the game imo, and i thought babel should have come on earlier to finish it off in the 90 minutes.
Penalty was fair, but we were still in shock from their disallowed goal, and we just lapsed in concentration for the drogba goal which was annoying cos we still had a chance at that point....which babel proved later with his great goal.

As for Rafa's tactics, i expected to see Torres isolated as thats what happens against big teams in this formation, Gerrard hardly got in the game to help him out and Kuyt wasn't at his best yesterday....dunno if crouch coming on would have made a great difference, but maybe later in the game it would have given us different options. I had no clue why Torres was off either.......

Well we can't always make it to the final, pity cos i was starting to get used to it problem is one of two will get it now.......guess i'd rather it be chelsea.

[Leonmc0708]

We spent over £70million on transfers this season - which team spent more ?

Where ?

Torres     £26.5m
Benayoun £5 m
Babel       £11.5m
Insua       £1.3
Skrtel       £6.5m
Mascherano £18m
Leto          £1.8

Total £70.6million - add in Dominguez and Itandje to cover your quibbling about how much Torres cost and I think that just about covers it mate 

Yes and here lies the problem........we have spent (or rather rafa has) over  £70 million on players (some only average at that?) and we end up finishing 4th, without any trophies....and everton with little or no money and a smaller squad than ours finish 5th? one place behind us........that for me sums up rafa beneitz.......thats what he should be judged on.....if he is given another season and more money who is to say he wont do exactly the same as this season, and use the money to buy more avarage overpaid players?......if you have the money then spend big on top quality.......not on under preforming below average, and overated players......i think we need a change of direction....someone with a different approach to buying players...thank you and goodbye rafa.

get real soft lad.

This is the season our managers have been backed to pay top whack for players.

torres, Babel and Mascherano are top top quality.