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REDTILLDEAD your talking boll##ks.

He's not an average player at all. He's an excellent full back with a superb attitude and brilliant commitment and loyalty.

You need players like him to win Champions leagues and League titles.

Also he's Liverpool through and through. He shows it everytime he plays.

[whylongball?]

I’m a big fan of Roy Keane in that he is not prepared to settle for anything other than the Premiership and the Champions League, and if a season passes where Man UTD don’t achieve either he is massively disappointed. When Keane joined Man UTD they were a joke in Europe but it was the likes of Keane’s bloody-mindedness and ambition that dragged that club by its bootlaces up into the upper echelons of European football.

totally agree man!! Though R.Kean is from M.U but he absolutely has my respect. He's a fighter and thats what Liv ought to be as well...Who plays like a real fighter nowadays in liv jersey? Only S.G? Far from the champion material if there is only 1 fighter

[ynwa]

jamie has had a good season after his broken leg
he is not a average playerhow often do u see full backs going forward and not getting back

[JBG]

I tend to agree with Stu. Carragher is excellently defensively, and if his confidence is up and the team is playing well, he looks far better attacking.

He fights for the team but I was questioning his ambition. I get the feeling that if Gerrard and Carragher were both to retire now Carragher would be reasonably happy that he has six middling medals whereas Stevie would be p#ssed that he didn't win league titles.

[Good Bob]

Oh how times and opinions change... world class now is he?

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I had to smile myself Good Bob at some of the comments but to be fair Carragher was never going to be considered a world class fullback. Benitez and a move to CB have worked wonders. I think Carraghers ambitions have grown and I would expect him to want league titles and major trophys now.

[Speedy Gonzalez]

A strange thing about Jamie Carragher is....... A lot of LFC fans rate him as the best Centre half around, or like a rock for LFC.

But in the England Set up , why is it he looks out of his depth?

Especially in a holding midfield role. He's never first choice.

The formation Ericsson played the other night...no way will that be in play for the world cup opener. I think Sven played Carra there fto get Gerrard forward more, but stevie is not a striker, and even he wasnt too impressive.

Not many outside of LFC rate Carra over Terry, Ferdinand and Campbell.

[Ciggy]

Oh how times and opinions change... world class now is he?

Why bring up a topic nearly 2 years old Stu?

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A strange thing about Jamie Carragher is....... A lot of LFC fans rate him as the best Centre half around, or like a rock for LFC.

But in the England Set up , why is it he looks out of his depth?

Especially in a holding midfield role. He's never first choice.

The formation Ericsson played the other night...no way will that be in play for the world cup opener. I think Sven played Carra there fto get Gerrard forward more, but stevie is not a striker, and even he wasnt too impressive.

Not many outside of LFC rate Carra over Terry, Ferdinand and Campbell.

Carragher is one of our most important players, without him at the back we would leak far more goals that we already do. He has also shown loyalty to Liverpool down the years which is something of a rarity in today's game.

England's different, he's never played in his strongest position which is centre back because Sven rates Campbell, Terry, and Ferdinand more than what he rates Carragher. Therefore Carragher's used a bit part player for England filling in for players when they are injured and so forth.

He looked out of depth because he doesn't usually play as an anchorman, he usually plays at centre back, occasionally on the right side of defence. Gerrard looked quite out of his depth in that striker role he was playing doesn't mean he's a bad player it just takes some adjusting to get used to a position you are unfamiliar with.

I wouldn't be surprised Eriksson has been in charge of England for half a decade now and still can't find the best possible formation and tactics. I suspect there will be a lot of tinkering from Sven thru-out this World Cup.

And as for other ppl who don't support LFC saying Ferdinand, Campbell and Terry are all better are ignoring the facts, statistics don't lie, Carragher has been the best English defender for two seasons running.

[Good Bob]

Oh how times and opinions change... world class now is he?

Why bring up a topic nearly 2 years old Stu?

Why not?

[dawson99]

Oh how times and opinions change... world class now is he?

Why bring up a topic nearly 2 years old Stu?

Why not?

but why?


sorry, bored

[Good Bob]

A strange thing about Jamie Carragher is....... A lot of LFC fans rate him as the best Centre half around, or like a rock for LFC.

But in the England Set up , why is it he looks out of his depth?

Especially in a holding midfield role. He's never first choice.

The formation Ericsson played the other night...no way will that be in play for the world cup opener. I think Sven played Carra there fto get Gerrard forward more, but stevie is not a striker, and even he wasnt too impressive.

Not many outside of LFC rate Carra over Terry, Ferdinand and Campbell.

Carragher is one of our most important players, without him at the back we would leak far more goals that we already do. He has also shown loyalty to Liverpool down the years which is something of a rarity in today's game.

England's different, he's never played in his strongest position which is centre back because Sven rates Campbell, Terry, and Ferdinand more than what he rates Carragher. Therefore Carragher's used a bit part player for England filling in for players when they are injured and so forth.

He looked out of depth because he doesn't usually play as an anchorman, he usually plays at centre back, occasionally on the right side of defence. Gerrard looked quite out of his depth in that striker role he was playing doesn't mean he's a bad player it just takes some adjusting to get used to a position you are unfamiliar with.

I wouldn't be surprised Eriksson has been in charge of England for half a decade now and still can't find the best possible formation and tactics. I suspect there will be a lot of tinkering from Sven thru-out this World Cup.

And as for other ppl who don't support LFC saying Ferdinand, Campbell and Terry are all better are ignoring the facts, statistics don't lie, Carragher has been the best English defender for two seasons running.

Jamie Carragher is one of our most important players without question. Our, meaning Liverpool F.C.

You say without him at the back we'd leak more goals. The same could be said about Sami. Both have equal plus points and negatives and are both of equal importance. Sami has more ability, Jamie plays at a false level and appears to be better than he actually is down to tactical play and the ability of his partner to compliment him and vice versa. Neither of them are anywhere near the best in the league yet as a partnership are only second to Terry and Gallas in europe.

The excuse that Carragher has never played in his strongest position for England is false. He's played numourous games there and failed to impress. Simply because he's not an international class footballer. He's a club player, always has been, always will be. 

Again, the reason he always looks out of his depth is because when he plays for England he's not playing in a well drilled, well practised system where he knows the players around him and there strengths and trusts them 100% to do everything they need to do. He also doesn't have the support of his country and the support of his teamates like at Liverpool. He's out of his depth at international level.

Yes he's a decent squad player at that level, but nothing more.

The simple facts are Erriksson doesn't have a clue. Most of the people in the pubs have a go, rightly so, but they pick the wrong things to have a go at him for. Things like playing a central midfielder on the left at international level is laughable, picking the wrong players, playing without wingers, playing an international class right midfielder as a holding player... all signs of a clueless .

Carragher has played well at club level. He's been really impressive and i wouldn't swap him for the world. But i find it laughable now that people are calling him world class after the slatings he used to get and people saying he was . The fact is, opinions of him have changed due to a manger getting the best out of him, his level of ability hasn't changed much.

My opinion of him is pretty much the same now as it was when he first come through. Everyone else has gone from one extreme to the other, when in all reality, he's the truth of how good he is an individual has always and will always be somewhere in between.

How can a player who is average technically, very good without being oustanding physically be counted as world class?

[Good Bob]

A strange thing about Jamie Carragher is....... A lot of LFC fans rate him as the best Centre half around, or like a rock for LFC.

But in the England Set up , why is it he looks out of his depth?

Especially in a holding midfield role. He's never first choice.

The formation Ericsson played the other night...no way will that be in play for the world cup opener. I think Sven played Carra there fto get Gerrard forward more, but stevie is not a striker, and even he wasnt too impressive.

Not many outside of LFC rate Carra over Terry, Ferdinand and Campbell.

Firstly, for Liverpool he does his job and we all know why we love the lad. He's a legend.

He looks out of his depth because he is. He's not a world class player or even an international class player. For Liverpool he's in a team thats well drilled where he knows his job and the players around him and whats expected. He knows the system inside out so he can perform his duties alot better. With international games you need more than that. You need ability as an alround player as you will face different situations than you would at home for your club.

People always say, you take out the attacking side of Gerrard's game to accomadate the overated Lamplard you lose 50% of his game. Correct. What people don't realise is you play him in an attacking role and you lose the defensive side of his game which makes up the other 50%.

If anyone rates Carragher as a better player than Terry, Campbell or Ferdinand i'd question that persons ability to judge a players ability.

[el_stinger]

Your not EVER going to hear a player give sh!t about a manager while they are still playing football. Especially one who is highly regarded, which Houllier still is. JBG, I'm going to have to disagree with your statements on this one, I'm pretty sure that Carra is happy with those medals, but I guarentee you, he won't be content with them. We got a hungry lot at Anfield, and you'll eat your words soon enough mate.