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Postby 66-1112520797 » Sun May 20, 2007 7:43 am

The guy in the past never really got the recognition he gets now. Most saw him as an average defender who worked hard for the team. People now still doubt him as having world class technical ability. That the likes of Maldini, Desailly and even the great Franco Baresi had. Talking of Baresi, I've just watched a brief interview with him, and he was asked- "Who's been the best defender in the CL this year ?' Answer yes you've got it Jamie Carragher.

Watching the interview inspired me to post this thread, now it clearly seems Carragher does get the recognition he deserves from some and rightly so. Not just from Liverpool supporters, but from top players who know and appreciate what he does and is to LFC.

The one thing for me that seperates Carragher from any other player we have. Is not the fact he's Scouse and is the backbone of misely defence. No for me, its the fact that alot of us sit here and dissmiss the 'technical ability' he has compared to other great defenders of yesteryear. But yet still can produce World class performances on a World class stage, in the CL, in the prem week in week out. There is no room for complacentcy in his game, never. The man always gives 110% to the cause.

This in my book is the essence of a legend, bascially a bloke not renound for his great abilities like others, but dont let that fool you Carragher has got great abilities. But the inspiration and ethic he brings to others around him, this also lifts his own game too and makes him the colosuss he is.

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Postby Naomi » Sun May 20, 2007 8:26 am

Couldn't agree more. IMHO the guy is a legend but all too often gets over looked in favour of others such as Neville and Terry. I think Carra is above both of them for his sheer determination and guts, he is totally committed and always gives his all. People say what an inspirational leader Gerrard is, and he is, but Carra is too. He is constantly motivatiing and getting the other lads going, and when he speaks in interviews he is always so honoured and proud to be playing for Liverpool. I think it was a travesty that he was left out of the recent team of the year awards, but once again an example of him being overlooked. Once again, the guy is a legend, the boy from Bootle done good  :bowdown
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Postby Sabre » Sun May 20, 2007 8:33 am

Good shout. I agree.

The other day I was wondering when I saw a thread about Carraguer's behaviour out the pitch (helping a woman), how come he doesn't get more threads about his football.

In this forum, much is talked about stamina, pace, tackling, heading, and separate attributes of football.

But it's not mentioned often the importance of the experience, those little tricks that legend centre backs get when they have more than 200 games in their pockets. Those chats with the strikers during the match, those lots of unsung details that makes Carraguer a superb centre back. And I see only 8% of them because Anfield regulars will probably spot tons of those details (after all TV focus only in one place at a time, and doesn't focus on what's doing the CB when the winger is carrying the ball).

Carraguer is a great CB, and IMHO seeing him underrated in the english squad is a travestry. For me the best two centre backs of England are TErry, and Carraguer.  That Ferdinand might be more impressive maybe when you look at the isolated attributes I've mentioned in the first part of the post, but not definitely if you see the players as a whole.

Another case of England underrating the gems coming from Merseyside, Gerrard was misplaced in the world cup aswell by a worse player as a whole. The achievements of Liverpool are not valued enough in London press, and the list of details that confirm this is suprisingly long.

Again, good post, it was about time to do a Carraguer tribute thread. We talk about other positions a lot but we don't remember our defensive record is fundamental to be where we are, a CL final.
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Postby account deleted by request » Sun May 20, 2007 8:47 am

Carra's respect for Milan past and present       
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Liverpool's on-field voice Jamie Carragher has been putting forward his views on the big match on Wednesday night. Liverpool will of course be facing AC Milan in the Champions League final in Athens, getting there after beating Chelsea in the semi-final. That result meant quite a lot to Carra's neighbours on Merseyside: "As soon as the Chelsea game ended, the people on the street were buzzing, especially with me being local. People you don't even know were out in the street waving their fists and shouting. You just know it means so much to people us getting there. The football club are a big part of people's lives round here and they're not slow to show you."

Carragher told the Mail on Sunday that the match with Milan is something special, not just because it's the European Cup final but because of who it is against. Rafa Benítez used tapes of old Milan teams to demonstrate good football to his players when he arrived at Anfield. Carra was already well aware of some of the Milan greats, being the scholar of football that he is himself, in particular the era of Franco Baresi and Marco van Basten: "The manager still talks about that team now, they're probably the team he loves most. He'd like to get us to play like them, which wouldn't be easy. You'd have to get Ruud Gullit and Marco van Basten's boots back on. We've watched videos of them and they're as good a club side as I've seen. They had a bit of everything. Normally, you get teams who are great at attacking and not so good at the back or the other way round. But they had the lot going forward, plus Baresi, Paolo Maldini and Alessandro Costacurta at the back to sort it out. If you were picking a World XI of all time, you'd probably include Baresi and Maldini."

The media have fun before big football games trying to get sound-bites and quotes from players and coaches about their opponents. When it was suggested to Carra that Milan were arrogant at half time two years ago (well they were 3-0 up!) the Liverpool vice captain refuses to bite: "I don't want to get involved in that because I've got too much respect for Milan. Maldini shook my hand at the end of the game and in his position I know how bad you'd feel. It was just something crazy that happens in football, six crazy minutes. Great for us, a nightmare for them."

Carra was a hero that night, as all the team were, but he really did give all he could; fighting through the agony of cramp to keep Liverpool in the game. His memories are as strong as ever: "Probably the best was Jerzy Dudek's save and running towards him and all that cramp suddenly disappeared. The worst was probably when their third goal went in. I've seen a picture from the centre circle of me and Stevie behind each other and you can see in our faces there's nothing there, total dejection, just on half-time."

Different tales of what was said in the interval and how the players dealt psychologically with being so far behind. The players felt they had to do what pretty much all Reds fans were hoping for - to narrow the gap of Milan's victory. A 3-2 defeat would hurt, but not as much as a 3-0 or worse defeat. Damage limitation was called for: "People always ask what happened at halftime and want to hear you say we were all like lunatics saying: ‘We're going to win'," recalls Jamie. "But in any game, at whatever level, when you're losing 3-0 what you fear is that it's going to be five or six by the end. The fact we got to the Champions League Final was a great achievement and if we'd lost we'd have been disappointed. But I was just thinking, ‘if we come off losing five or six, that's embarrassing'. The fact we'd done so well would be ruined by losing like that."

After a slow start to the second half the header from Steven Gerrard brought the score back to 3-1 and gave the Reds some hope: "I've watched the game lots of times and if you watch the start of the second half, if anyone was going to score it was Milan," says Carra. "Jerzy had to make a couple of good saves, but the first goal gave us a bit of hope, the second one gave us belief and it went from there. It's probably now, two years later, that you look back at the videos and realise what an achievement it was to win a game that's probably as good a game of football as there's ever been."

Carra's done his own analysis of the opponents, comparing them to last time: "They haven't changed too much, just a bit at the top without Andriy Shevchenko and Hernan Crespo. But Filippo Inzaghi's got great experience and they paid a lot of money for Alberto Gilardino. Kaka's position is maybe slightly different, where he plays off one striker, but the back four and the midfield we know quite well."

In fact Kaka is a player Carra singles out for special praise, classing him as possibly the best player in the world: "Not just because of this season. You remember his display in the first half in Istanbul. Afterwards we all felt that, along with Ronaldinho, he was definitely the man, and this season he's probably gone on to eclipse him."

Jamie takes on board everything his manager tells him and certainly gives the impression that he's already learning the ropes to be a future coach. He says: "The manager always says it's about balance - you don't want to be too attacking and you don't want to be too defensive. And Milan have probably got that perfect balance. Rafa is the type of manager who likes to be very organised and that's probably the reason why we've done so well in Europe. You've got to be good at the back to get to these finals and that's how it's proved."

Carra thinks injuries to their opponents probably made Milan's job a little easier in the semi-final second leg: "Manchester United have one of the best defences in the Premiership. If you look at their statistics, I'm not sure it's true that defending's their problem. You need of luck to win any cup, especially at this level. The back four United had out against Milan - that's the bit of luck you don't need. At this level the teams are so close together, the smallest details make all the difference."

Liverpool fans, and of course the staff, players and owners, want to see the Reds take that next step and become League champions once again, adding to their record 18 titles. To do that Carra thinks there is a need for some new faces to enhance what's already there: "Maybe we do need to be more expansive at times in the Premiership, especially away from home where we don't have a good record this season. The difference for us is that Europe's a thinking game. If you look through our team, you don't see all powerful, pacy players. What you see is a lot of clever players. We don't have a Didier Drogba or a Michael Essien and you need that to win the Premiership. You need people with that physical power."

Some criticism has come Liverpool's way recently for the way both sides played in the semi-final. Carra agrees to an extent: "I watched our Chelsea game again the other night. It wasn't a great game at all, was it? It was poor, although it was great in terms of the intensity. But the main thing is winning. I'm sure Arsene Wenger would swap places with Rafa Benitez right now and Arsenal play the best football anyone's ever seen, don't they?'"

Carra was on the front page of the Sunday papers many years ago for his antics at the club Christmas party, but he says that's something from a different stage in his life: "As a lad, you go out and have a few drinks, can't take your ale and get carried away. I'd like to think now I've matured a little. Everyone goes through it and it's something you have to go through in a certain way. It's not something I'm proud of but it'll make a good autobiography, won't it?"

I don't think there's any doubt that Carra's intelligence and experience will make for anything other than an excellent autobiography.
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Postby Leonmc0708 » Sun May 20, 2007 9:58 am

Carragher was just a decent defender who played well and gave everything to the team.

Under Rafa he has improved ten fold, and his influence over the squad, in terms of dressing room, on the pitch and in his own play are un-calcuable.
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Postby kazza » Sun May 20, 2007 10:46 am

Let's not forget that Jamie started his career as a midfielder so he must have technical abilities. I think it is more the fact that he takes the safest option  rather than running forward with the ball like Ferdinand or trying dangerous back heals to fellow defenders like some Italian defenders might. Even his forward passes seem to be to the player in the least dangerous position should posession get lost.

It is his heart and passion that make him one of the world best defenders however. You can improve your skills but you cannot really improve your heart, it comes from birth. We are going to need him having a blinder if we want to lift the cup.
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Postby account deleted by request » Sun May 20, 2007 11:01 am

Jamie Carragher has vowed never to turn his back on Liverpool.

The 27-year-old is one of the most consistent defenders in the Premiership and The Reds are talking to his advisors about a new contract.

Carragher, whose focus is on Liverpool's UEFA Champions League final with Milan on Wednesday, is aware he could leave the club by buying out his contract - but has no intention of turning his back on Anfield.

"I never want to leave Liverpool and I hope I can get my contract sorted out as quickly as possible," Carragher told the Sunday Mirror.

"I want to stay here for the rest of my career.

"I'm not interested in this new Fifa rule where players can buy themselves out of their contract.

"I know it's there, but I don't know anything about it as it is something I wouldn't do.

"My ambition is to wear the red shirt for as long as I can and I'd be absolutely gutted if I ever had to leave."
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Postby KOPMATT » Sun May 20, 2007 11:20 am

Carragher for me has always been quality! Wherever he's played he's been class and just improved and improved. I was disappointed for the lad when he was getting stick off the fans a few seasons back! Totally undeserved and uncalled for IMO. Just look at him now, one of the first if not THE first name on the team sheet every game. My hat goes off to him always loved him and always will! 24 Carra Gold!
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Postby Bad Bob » Sun May 20, 2007 3:41 pm

Heart and determination are the first things that come to mind when assessing Carra's strengths and they are a big part of what makes him such a fantastic defender.  I'll add another attribute: anticipation.  This lad sees the danger coming long before it arrives and 99 times out of 100 snuffs it out with a minimum of fuss.  And, that's not just the garden variety lump-it-over-the-top "danger" generated by the Bolton's of the league...that's also the intricate pass-and-move football of Barcelona or the pacey counter-attacks of Man U.  He just reads the game brilliantly and takes action without hesitation.  Plus, he organizes those around him so that the whole "back 5" functions more smoothly.

I think this is why Carragher gets mentioned so rarely on these boards: he's always in position and almost always makes the right decision to snuff out the trouble.  We just get used to it without sometimes recognizing how special he is at getting in the right position in the first place.  Simply an immense player for us. :nod
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Postby RUSHIE#9 » Sun May 20, 2007 5:02 pm

I must admit that 5 or 6 years ago if you'd have told me that Carra would be the bedrock of our defence I would've laughed in your face.

When he first broke into the team there just didn't seem to be anything special about him. It was even worse when he went through that unfortunate period of own goals. I just felt that he was a liability to the team and we would be better off without him.

Then he moved to RB and seemed to find his feet and it was a case of, well maybe he's found his position. He'd been played as a defensive midfielder in those early years and at CB on a couple of occassions IIRC and just didn't seem to be good enough.

The major turning point for me though, as I've said many a time when discussing all things Carra, came when he got that broken leg at Blackburn. I and many fans that I spoke to whilst he was out suddenly felt that he was a crucial element of the team and it took this extreme for us to realise that. Ever since then I and I think alot of other reds' haven't really looked back.

Bad Bob has hit the nail right on the head about Carra's reading of the game. There are times in games where he's appeared  from nowhere to clean up after it looks as though we're going to concede and this is all down to his positional sense.

I couldn't give a toss about him and In-ger-lund as the numpties at the FA are oblivious as to what a quality player he is. They'll always be more attracted by the flash and dazzle of yer Ferdinand's & Terry's. He's a top notch safety first kind of defender and thats what counts most for me.

I forget who posted it but in one of the many threads were Stu seemed to be arguing with everyone about every player in the squad the following was posted:

HE (Carra) MAY NOT BE "WORLD CLASS" BUT HE'S "LIVERPOOL CLASS" AND THATS WHAT MATTERS TO ME.

That is exactly what Carragher is and is why every Kopite dreams of a team full of Carraghers.  :buttrock
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Postby RedBlood » Sun May 20, 2007 5:17 pm

Carra is a legend and has been the best central defender in europe ever since he was moved there at the start of Rafa's reign its wrong that the likes of terry and ferdinand are prefered ahead of him just because they finnish higher in the league but thats the way it goes
if anything it benifits us because he can concentrate on doing the buisness for us and thats exactly what he does week in week out
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Postby yckatbjywtbiastkamb » Sun May 20, 2007 5:20 pm

RUSHIE#9 wrote:I must admit that 5 or 6 years ago if you'd have told me that Carra would be the bedrock of our defence I would've laughed in your face.

When he first broke into the team there just didn't seem to be anything special about him. It was even worse when he went through that unfortunate period of own goals. I just felt that he was a liability to the team and we would be better off without him.

Then he moved to RB and seemed to find his feet and it was a case of, well maybe he's found his position. He'd been played as a defensive midfielder in those early years and at CB on a couple of occassions IIRC and just didn't seem to be good enough.

The major turning point for me though, as I've said many a time when discussing all things Carra, came when he got that broken leg at Blackburn. I and many fans that I spoke to whilst he was out suddenly felt that he was a crucial element of the team and it took this extreme for us to realise that. Ever since then I and I think alot of other reds' haven't really looked back.

Bad Bob has hit the nail right on the head about Carra's reading of the game. There are times in games where he's appeared  from nowhere to clean up after it looks as though we're going to concede and this is all down to his positional sense.

I couldn't give a toss about him and In-ger-lund as the numpties at the FA are oblivious as to what a quality player he is. They'll always be more attracted by the flash and dazzle of yer Ferdinand's & Terry's. He's a top notch safety first kind of defender and thats what counts most for me.

I forget who posted it but in one of the many threads were Stu seemed to be arguing with everyone about every player in the squad the following was posted:

HE (Carra) MAY NOT BE "WORLD CLASS" BUT HE'S "LIVERPOOL CLASS" AND THATS WHAT MATTERS TO ME.

That is exactly what Carragher is and is why every Kopite dreams of a team full of Carraghers.  :buttrock

yeah same here, as a full back i thought his distribution was awful but since moving to centre half he has grown and grown.
people talk about his technical ability or more accurately his lack of it but he`s employed by liverpool football club to stop other sides scoring and to throw himself into situations were angels fear to tread.
at that he`s got to be one of if not THE best in the world.
he`s a collosus now, he`s in the mould of ron yeats and emelyn hughes, a legend at this club in my eyes.
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Postby Rafa D » Sun May 20, 2007 6:18 pm

kazza wrote:Let's not forget that Jamie started his career as a midfielder so he must have technical abilities. .

Jamie started his career as a striker. But was too slow.
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Postby Naomi » Sun May 20, 2007 6:20 pm

Let's not forget that Jamie started his career as a midfielder







Carragher actually started out as a forward but was deemed not quick enough so he

dropped in to midfield and then dropped back again to become a defender, the rest as

they say is history :bowdown
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Postby Rafa D » Sun May 20, 2007 6:35 pm

Naomi wrote:
Let's not forget that Jamie started his career as a midfielder







Carragher actually started out as a forward but was deemed not quick enough so he

dropped in to midfield and then dropped back again to become a defender, the rest as

they say is history :bowdown

You read the papers like me then  :D
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