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[LegBarnes]

Petar i want players who give a sh.ite when they wear that jersey and Babel does not . Hes a sh.ite house no matter what position he plays in . Hes got no bottle .Not the kind of player i wanna see in my team.

Hes not a prem player maybe suited better by continetal football , i was made up when we signed him as he looked the dogs for the dutch u21s . But my opinion of him has changed dramaticaly

Not good enough

Even I agree babel hasn't show he can play for liverpool In my mind I give him chance after chance but even I am losing my rag with him now But I still think I wanna see what he can do up front.

Lets be truthful yesterday he was dire.

[LegBarnes]

the basic gist of the fella's posts was ok. he's unhappy with the style of football we play and he doesn't trust benitez's buys or man management. fair enough, there's plenty on here that feel the same. if only he'd had something else to say, or was able to expand a little on the idea. and if only he wasn't such an obvious díckhead.

I am still here. My English sucks,so I can`t express myself properly. I love you all guys,but Nanny thinks he knows football better by going to the games. No chance

OMG they cloned him there is a army of superfans !

[LegBarnes]

I think its very wrong really to have a go at nanny she is a really good life long fan of liverpool no doubt.

I would even go as far to say its a honor to share these forums with her she is funny , sweet , and just a all round top football surporter.

[Ciggy]

For those slating nanny shut up you tarts, she knows more about Liverpool than some men that say they support us.

Back to the game I would have took a point before kick off, made up Keane played, but he really needs a strike partner and he will get a bag full and in the absence of torres we will have to change our game plan to suit him.

I also want to know why Kuyt remained on the pitch for 90 minutes again he is out of form was awful against Hull and yesterday he needs a rest.

Babel doesnt want to know anymore thats plain to see he will be leaving in the summer.
The sending off done us no favours we would have beaten them had he not got sent off, the arsenal fans are proper mings with that booing of all of our players it wasnt their fault for the sending off.

They where there for the taking we should have won so yer I am dissapionted, but both teams didnt look like they wanted to win in the end and both looked like they where playing for a draw, pmsl@ Wenger time wasting bringing on a sub 91st minute.

Arsenal looked scared of us yesterday it just shows how far we have come.

We need the bitters to do us a favour tonight come on you bluenose mongrels.

[red_guy]

Lando_Griffin, is it wrong to express some displeasure at the way we set up our stall when we play against an Arsenal team who have lost their best players and down to 10 men?

Azri, i agree with you. Talking about displeasure..... i was rolling in my bed trying to sleep thinking " What's wrong with the team....they should go and kill off arsenal". Seriously as much i love  Liverpool , the players and the manager, somehow i'm disappointed with the mentality of 'let's be safe and go for a draw'. I just don't think we can win the title if we keep playing playing like this. Why we're so successful in the CL is Bcos we're trying to score as much  goals as we can so we can out do the oppositions. You cannot win the CL only relying on draws... and so is winning the league. We're still on top last week because Chelsea didn't win.  How many times can we be 'that' lucky? By the way, we should be worry about the Scum.... i just can't imagine if we keep playing with that kind of mentality and god-forbid, the scum managed to get as much points needed to get ahead of us.....worried ? definitely... scared? yes but not bcos  of the strength of the oppositions, more of the chances of us blowing the best opportunity to win the PL.

p.s: Yes i am a true fan. I don't call for Rafa's head(that would be stupid).

[Thewaykokid]

All credit to Keane this match, with a lot going on back stage, he came out with the determination and credibillity to score and put in a good performance.....bravo . lol i can't believe Arsene thought Gallas could keep up with him thats like putting a ferrari up against a bentley .

ANyways, i think this game will have done wonders for Keane's confidence, and, also, his position in the club as a starting 11 player. Well done son!'

However, as usual, a rather erratic placement of substitutions leaves the Liverpool faithful in a confused array of.........confusion . Bringing Lucas off for another striker would have been a decent move IF keane had still been on the field and if it had been done sooner than later. Really should've been taken off immediately after Adebayor was sent off, to send a message top Arsenal, kind of a "Oh yeh.......its on..... "

Insua looks like a god compared to Dossena but i think that has been thrown around enough lately.

Agger looked decent i thought. had a wicked shot that was just off, defended alright, nothing really could be done about the goal.......grrr van Persie

Oh final words........anyone else think Lucas was a bit.......lucky.....

[ruskiy playmaker]

i thought babel was very poor when he came on. ok, i know it takes time to get used to the flow of the game and coming on as a sub is not always easy. but he's been coming on in games and having little effect. Against an arsenal team last night, his lack of control was even more evident. kept giving the ball away.
sigh, and i used to think he was quite a useful player going forward. if madrid really want him, let's sell him for a profit.

Babel is so incompetant with his left foot that it amazes me how he does play in the left forward role for holland.

It is very easy to defend against babel as he always has cut back to his right foot before he crosses or shoots..... Maybe he can get away with this in the slower dutch league.

But here....he gets found out often. We should play him upfront or on the right or not play him at all....

And yes...i would also sell him to madrid if they want him badly...... i think there are better players around ie ...Karim Benzema (we have to get him...he can play on the left....he can play support striker....he is mobile enough to play on the right). So if we can sell dossena (5 million) and Babel (15 million), think we can get Benzema for 20....

Lyon want 40 mill for Benzema.

[Owzat]

This result is OK, we played a side that has raised its game all season against the bigger teams. Yeah we played against 10 men, but they felt an injustice and the crowd got behind them and they put the effort in for the last 30 mins, it happens.

Our costly mistakes have been drawing too often against the dross of the premiership,West Ham, Stoke etc. Those home games should have cost us, but as it is they have not. We are still in with a very good shout, have one of the best strikers in the world still to come back, and the knowledge that so far this season, bar 3 games, we have not played to the level we can.

The 1-1 at the Emirates would have been a good result if we hadn't kept drawing at home to joe average sides. We need to win in the region of 27 games, we're now grinding to a halt in terms of wins and back to not losing as opposed to winning games.

We were on course for best ever Premiership start, most wins in a calendar year (Premiership) and looking good. Now we're looking less well placed because home draw syndrome has returned.

Best Premiership Starts (18 games)

05/06 P18 W12 D4 L2 PTS 40
08/09 P18 W11 D6 L1 PTS 39
96/97 P18 W11 D4 L3 PTS 37

So despite an excellent start, we've now fallen behind our best Premiership points tally season in which we won only one of our first six games. We've won only once in the last five games, opening the door for both the mancs and Chelsea

Calendar Year (Premiership Seasons Only)

MOST LEAGUE WINS

24 : 2006
22 : 1996
22 : 2002
22 : 2008

MOST LEAGUE DRAWS

12 : 1993
12 : 1996
12 : 2008

LEAST LEAGUE DEFEATS

3 : 2008
5 : 1996
6 : 2001
6 : 2007

The problem is we are getting results against the 'big four' rivals, that's our first dropped points, but we're dropping points at home and if we drop too many against the rest of the league then the reverse fixtures against the 'big four' could bite us on the Rs. I'm thinking we could win the two at home, probably that is what we'll need to to. But realistically we could find all three very difficult and come away with 0-4 points which could stifle any title challenge that remains.

[ruskiy playmaker]

Kuyt was poor today.  Still fail to see what he brings to the side.  His decision making more times than not is wrong.  I'm pleased with the result but do think we could of went for it more against 10 men.

Think the guy needs a rest.  I fear that his game is going backwards, because he has been playing too much lately.

[Owzat]

You do when the midfield won't follow through into the box and Liverpool's midfield tend not to follow through.

Liverpool playing with a single striker will mean we are always going to lack a potent attack up front.

That being said, I think playing with the single striker against the likes of Arsenal was probably the better move, but when Adebayor got sent off we should have gone 4-4-2 and finished them.

I think the reason we looked less potent after the red card was because they dropped back a bit. Before then we were exploiting their high line defence and Keane is pretty effective sitting on the last defender and peeling away - like he did for his goal(s) against WBA. Once Adebayor was gone they didn't afford us as much space in behind them and we couldn't break them down as easily.

It was a good point in terms of the result, you'd take it at the Emirates. But a bad point in terms of our league position, thanks to three consecutive home draws which left us needing to win this one perhaps. I'm surprised a few are criticising Kuyt, it wasn't his best game but he still contributed plenty and put in a few good deliveries and hit a good low shot which Almunia had to save.

I have to agree with those who criticise the subs. It was more or less the usual substitutions, Keane and Riera off, Babel and attacker (El Zhar) on. For me it was a shame Rafa thought to ring in his instructions from "casa Rafa", because they were predictable, at the same time instead of reacting to the game's needs and typically ineffective. El Zhar is a good sub, but maybe just not quite good enough (yet) Babel is less useful than Petar's contribution to this thread and maybe even forum. For every good touch or pass Babel has a dozen poor ones. N'Gog came on way too late to make any difference, not sure why Rafa took Keane off. Habit I guess, maybe he needs to go on a course on "effective substitutions and man management". All subs were tardy, even allowing the team time to adapt to the extra man he should have made them earlier.

Insua played well, thought Lucas was a tad on the lucky side not to be booked for persistent fouling, but had an ok game. It's hard to single any starter out for criticism, I thought by and large they all played ok except we committed way too many fouls, gave possession away too much as usual and didn't take our chances as usual. Not taking chances is a cardinal sin, you don't get many against the likes of Arsenal so you have to take those that come along. That said we can easily not convert 10-15 chances so scoring just one and drawing was hardly required a Nostradamus of predictions.

Cracking goal by Keane, I think the problem with him is when he has time to think. He hit it instinctively and scored, if he has more time to think about it then he is more likely to miss. Lend him Petar's brain and thinking won't be a problem!

They may have more fans in their ground than most, but do they call that an atmosphere?

[Owzat]

Kuyt was poor today.  Still fail to see what he brings to the side.  His decision making more times than not is wrong.  I'm pleased with the result but do think we could of went for it more against 10 men.

Think the guy needs a rest.  I fear that his game is going backwards, because he has been playing too much lately.

He missed the game against Eindhoven and then Rafa mucked about with his role by playing him as striker.

In truth he should be playing a more open attacking RM against sides like Fulham, Stoke and Hull, and saving Kuyt for more close fought contests where we'd have less possession and players like Pennant (but not necessarily Pennant) can run at defenders. The problem overall is Rafa has only one approach style and it can be found out too often. When he tries changing it he often comes unstuck, our style of play may ultimately cost us too often to make a title challenge.

[Judge]

i am still baffled that lucas spent so much time on the field - why wasnt he subbed first - he was dire all thru the match. Babel was about as effective as a chocolate fireguard also.

we should be celebrating 3 points not just 1

the tactical subs used yesterday was poor

[tonyeh]

i thought babel was very poor when he came on. ok, i know it takes time to get used to the flow of the game and coming on as a sub is not always easy. but he's been coming on in games and having little effect. Against an arsenal team last night, his lack of control was even more evident. kept giving the ball away.
sigh, and i used to think he was quite a useful player going forward. if madrid really want him, let's sell him for a profit.

He's coming on for about 15 mins in each game he appears AND is repeatedly played out of position in an area he clearly isn't suited for. How is anyone supposed to really make an honest opinon on him based on that?

Also, what is that robotic LM substitution thing all about? Really. He's so clearly NOT a left midfielder and he's a right footer into the bargain, which makes it difficult to be as effective as a leftie over there.

Am I the only one who's in the dark with the insistance with shoving him out there?

AFAIC, Babel is the type of player that needs the ball played to hos feet, so he can make a run at goal and have a shot and that's really it. He hasn't got what it takes to be the type of player required for the mid wing area. If I can see that, why the fück can't Rafa?

Honestly, if I was Babel, I'd be dying to get out of Liverpool F.C.

There is no future for him at this club, for a number of reasons (partly his own), but Rafa has managed this guy dreadfully IMO.

I'm thinking let him go and get a few bob for him to strengthen the squad with a player Rafa will actually play.

[NANNY RED]

For those lads who took my rant against that Petar the wrong way i apologise. I am not saying because im a scouser an i go the match im a better fan. I was just tellin him he didnt have a clue . HIM, no one else. and because i said were he was from an a no mark . i still would have said the same thing if he would of been a scouser. I am not racist i am married to a foriegner. An if he would of said the same things he would of been called that an all . it was a figure of speech.

That Petar lad got right on my tits an i lost it . My own fault for even replying to him.

So if i offended you Aussiestyle, Slickrick, or any other reds fan from overseas then i hold me hand up lads an apologise.

But that Petar is still a Toss.er

[NANNY RED]

Does anyone feel like a bit of a traitor wanting the bitters to do us a favour. I hope they turn Chelsea over an it seems so wrong for me to say it because i hate them. An i hate Chelsea but i love Liverpool so if the bitters can get a point tonight or even a win .An we stay top Ill be happy. i wont feel so bad about wanting them to get something from the game.