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[eds]

My main problems with Suarez centre around two things 1) his behavioural problems which have impacted negatively on our club

What behavioural problems? Be specific?

Diving? Then you must have a problem with the game itself and not one player alone. Diving is a football disease that needs to be eradicated but as I have mentioned in the past in won't because when you do the maths it ends up favouring our Manure friends who seem to win games on the back of countless deliberate diving incidents and not to add shocking offside decisions.....

Racism? Once again something that was never proven. On the back of what Evra lied about against Suarez (and NO actual evidence) he was given a mind-boggling 8 week suspension, Kenny defended him, the fans did, Barnes and Johnson defended him and so did the rest of Uruguay (black and white) but low and behold for some reason you take the morally bankrupt ground and throw your lot in with Whiskey nose and the boy who cried wolf Evra against our club. Negrito has never been a racist word in Spanish and never will be, but when you live in another country you need to accept their culture and racist history that bans these words because of 'white guilt', hence Suarez was reckless and stupid for not realising this. But he was not racist.

and b) his poor conversion rates. I am probably in a minority of Liverpool fans who isn't really as hot on Suarez as he ought to be.

So you don't like him because he doesn't score enough goals, but let me get this right you WILL like him if starts scoring regularly. Then why aren't you critical of the bloke who we paid 12 million for and hasn't scored a single goal yet? Hmmmm

I have to admit to wanting to see the back of Suarez in the summer mainly due to the racism scandal that he dragged our club through and ultimately I believe it was one of the main reasons a legend of this club unfairly lost his job as a result. He put Kenny in a bad position where Kenny's own reputation took a battering and that was utterly selfish and totally unfair. Kenny was always going to defend Suarez and the club from the media and as a result I believe that impacted negatively on us and our results from there on in. We lost our main attacking threat for nine matches. I can't ever forgive Suarez for last season and it's going to take a lot more than a hattrick against Norwich and a great display against Everton to make me warm to him.

You are sprouting absoluate rubbish mate, Kenny lost his job for wasting a s**t load of money on really, really average players. He also lost a lot of games against teams we should have belted last season. Kenny did the right thing by defending him, it was our 'silent' owners and inept PR department that didn't challenge the FA ruling. The scumbag media had a field day when we did a 180 on our postion and poor Kenny and Luis were hung out to dry by the club. To think that the 'negative impact' then was the be all and end all of our woeful, woeful season is plain and utterly wrong. The problem was our squad and players like Adam, Downing, Henderson and Carroll being rubbish, effecting out ability to win games.
Nothing more, nothing less. Believe what you want but the rest of us won't be conned into your delusions of Suarez being responsible for everything that befell us last season.

I can't ever forgive Suarez for last season and it's going to take a lot more than a hattrick against Norwich and a great display against Everton to make me warm to him.

What is there to forgive? Suarez was naive and stupid for not understanding 'white Britain's guilt' had he understood this I'm sure he would have not said the word "Negrito", even though technically speaking in a democratic society you should be able to express yourself in your 1st language WITHOUT IT BEING USED AGAINST YOU in an unfair way. As has been proven by the cameras now, Evra went out of his way to manufacture the circus that was the away Manure game, we can all see the sly dog moved his hand away quickly before Suarez was about to shake it. He should have been suspended for the whole season for this, but nothing happened he was even allowed to go over the top with his imbecilic and unsportsman like celebrations. The game slowly began to die that day.

Again this season Suarez has driven me utterly bonkers, his diving, his squandering of guilt edge chances and his selfishness. 

So his diving upsets you. Did Valencia's dive upset you earlier this season? How about Neville's whopper on the weekend? How about everytime Nani or Drogba played against us? Hmmmmmmm
Don't understand why he is considered selfish as well. He leads in assists for our club and most chances created........

I was also furious with him that he had the audacity to have a go at Raheem Sterling for taking on a shot, instead of passing it him. 

You have obviously never played before have you? Let you know on a little secret mate.........most strikers do that!!!!!!     

Raheem Sterling has shown that he is more of a team player this season than Suarez has. Raheem Sterling also hasn't been charged with using racial language and suspended for 9 matches and he also doesn't have a reputation as a cheat which has affected important decisions in a lot of our matches this season.

What an odd thing to say? What does being suspended for 9 matches and being accused of cheating have anything to do with being 'selfish' on the field????? 

We as a club are being penalised because of Suarez's actions.

Yep, the only thing I agree on and what Kenny Kan has clearly pointed out, we are UNFAIRLY being penalised for the referees' bias before the whistle is even blown. Good work Whiskey nose and racist English media, pat yourself on the back for that one!

Again, until that changes I will hold the wee buck-tooth fella highly accountable for the decisions that have gone against us.

Are you sure you aren't a Manc? You sound like one, insult our players like one and sure smell like one.........

I can almost guarantee that had Gerrard scored the winner against Everton yesterday that the flag would have stayed down. I believe the flag was raised because it was Suarez who scored it. There's a conspiracy against Suarez because of his reputation and I hold him accountable for that.

Nope wrong again, like every other arguement you have sprouted. The reason why Suarez has this 'reputation' and the flag was raised on Saturday is because of one thing and one thing alone, the referee's own incompetence. Remove this and there won't be a problem. Holding Suarez accountable for this is down-right stupid and ignorant.

[laza]

Suarez is an artist and like most of them he has a dark side , you just have to accept it and the frustrations that go with it.
There are plenty of other players in the league just as bad but he gets most of headlines because other managers fear his talent.

Its bit like saying I like Vincent Van Gogh paintings but he really needs to lose those suicidal depressed tendencies to be a better artist, it ain't going to happen

[Kenny Kan]

Excellent post eds. 

[Basil]

Yes well done Eds, good reply.

[supersub]

good post eds...boxscarf has really got a strange dislike for Suarez...

[Boxscarf]

good post eds...boxscarf has really got a strange dislike for Suarez...

Strange in your eyes, perfectly normal in my eyes! It's not as if I'm in the majority anyway. Brendan loves him, the KOP love him and the players love him, so he's not going to be sold any circumstances. I just think he'll cost us a lot of points this season. If he's fouled in the penalty area, he's more than likely not going to get a decision. Such decisions could be a difference between a win and a draw or a draw and a loss.

[Kenny Kan]

good post eds...boxscarf has really got a strange dislike for Suarez...

Strange in your eyes, perfectly normal in my eyes! It's not as if I'm in the majority anyway. Brendan loves him, the KOP love him and the players love him, so he's not going to be sold any circumstances. I just think he'll cost us a lot of points this season. If he's fouled in the penalty area, he's more than likely not going to get a decision. Such decisions could be a difference between a win and a draw or a draw and a loss.

But that's not his fault. And yet you happily lay the blame firmly at his feet for this. Twisted logic.

[supersub]

I find it strange that you think inept or corrupt officiating at football matches is a perfect excuse to berate your own players....a normal reaction would be to demand that all players be treated equally on the playing field.

[Boxscarf]

Yes all players should be treated on a level playing field and Suarez would be treated equally if he didn't cheat and simulate. He has a reputation (rightly or wrongly) and it's not Suarez who is suffering for it, it's us, the collective. He should have had a penalty against United, because his reputation cost him that decision which cost us a 2-1 advantage and 3 points.

[Kenny Kan]

That's not his fault though that an inept ref didn't give him a pen. Yet, you blame him.

[Boxscarf]

That's not his fault though that an inept ref didn't give him a pen. Yet, you blame him.

Because he has a reputation of cheating, a reputation he has gotten himself because..wait for it, HE CHEATED ON NUMEROUS OCCASIONS. It's his own fault that he has a reputation as a cheat. Nobody forces him to handle a ball off the line, dive in the box etc. Suarez's reputation is hardly unfair is it? He's earned that reputation through his actions and ultimately we are paying for it.

[Kenny Kan]

That's not his fault though that an inept ref didn't give him a pen. Yet, you blame him.

Because he has a reputation of cheating, a reputation he has gotten himself because..wait for it, HE CHEATED ON NUMEROUS OCCASIONS. It's his own fault that he has a reputation as a cheat. Nobody forces him to handle a ball off the line, dive in the box etc. Suarez's reputation is hardly unfair is it? He's earned that reputation through his actions and ultimately we are paying for it.

So, you obviously firmly believe that a ref is  within his rights to make a decision based on reputation. Never mind whether it's impartial or not.

Like I said, twisted logic you fella

[devaney]

That's not his fault though that an inept ref didn't give him a pen. Yet, you blame him.

Because he has a reputation of cheating, a reputation he has gotten himself because..wait for it, HE CHEATED ON NUMEROUS OCCASIONS. It's his own fault that he has a reputation as a cheat. Nobody forces him to handle a ball off the line, dive in the box etc. Suarez's reputation is hardly unfair is it? He's earned that reputation through his actions and ultimately we are paying for it.

I can understand some of your criticism but I really think you need to look elsewhere in the team, especially last year, for the key reasons we played so badly at times.Some supporters including yourself suggest that he is wasteful but just how many times has a team mate fkd up when Suarez produces a quality pass. Shelvey was the latest victim very recently by putting an excellent Suarez pass in row Z. Is it any wonder he tries to do everything himself? Yes he can be infuriating and some of his histrionics at time are embarrassing but I'll take all that because there is the sense of the crazy genius about him and for that he will always get my total support.

[heimdall]

That's not his fault though that an inept ref didn't give him a pen. Yet, you blame him.

Because he has a reputation of cheating, a reputation he has gotten himself because..wait for it, HE CHEATED ON NUMEROUS OCCASIONS. It's his own fault that he has a reputation as a cheat. Nobody forces him to handle a ball off the line, dive in the box etc. Suarez's reputation is hardly unfair is it? He's earned that reputation through his actions and ultimately we are paying for it.

No no no, the reputation was not made by Suarez it was 100% manufactured by Ferguson. Suarez is not the worst cheat in the league my any stretch of the imagination and he is being victimised and it IS wrong, there is no "right" to it. I'm surprised he doesn't start suing for defamation of character, he should do.

[supersub]

That's not his fault though that an inept ref didn't give him a pen. Yet, you blame him.

Because he has a reputation of cheating, a reputation he has gotten himself because..wait for it, HE CHEATED ON NUMEROUS OCCASIONS. It's his own fault that he has a reputation as a cheat. Nobody forces him to handle a ball off the line, dive in the box etc. Suarez's reputation is hardly unfair is it? He's earned that reputation through his actions and ultimately we are paying for it.

I assume the handling the ball comment is aimed at his appearance for Uruguay....I would expect any player to make every effort to clear a goal bound shot off the line.....the fact that the subsequent penalty was missed and the much loved footballing nation of Ghana failed to proceed any further in the vuvuzalar cup competition , is hardly a good reason to be so harsh on one's own team player........I do find that strange and most definitely not normal for any true Liverpool "supporter"....