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[ycsatbjywtbiastkamb]

did suarez get credited with the first goal yesterday or has it gone down as an own goal?
a hat trick yesterday would have put him on 10 goals (in all competitions) and we havent even played a quarter of the season yet.
if he gets given the first he`s on 9 which is still an excellent total considering we are still in october.

[Boxscarf]

Luis Suarez is sitting on 8 goals so far. The first goal was rightly branded as a Leighton Baines OG.

[Boxscarf]

Where's Boxscarf, Penguin and all the other fair weather fans who advocate selling Suarez? It's a shame such support only rues its ugly head when the likes of said supporters can't even bring themselves to praise him. I suppose that's what happens when supporters blow like the wind, if Fergie say sell him they all agree.

I don't listen to what Ferguson says, so I have no idea as to what you are wittering on about? I never advocated selling Suarez, I merely raised the question of whether or not that would be the right thing to do. I know how good Luis is and I know how much better he can be for us, that's never been in question.

[Kenny Kan]

Where's Boxscarf, Penguin and all the other fair weather fans who advocate selling Suarez? It's a shame such support only rues its ugly head when the likes of said supporters can't even bring themselves to praise him. I suppose that's what happens when supporters blow like the wind, if Fergie say sell him they all agree.

I don't listen to what Ferguson says, so I have no idea as to what you are wittering on about? I never advocated selling Suarez, I merely raised the question of whether or not that would be the right thing to do. I know how good Luis is and I know how much better he can be for us, that's never been in question.

"I think if a good offer comes in for him we should part ways and bring in another striker who can score goals. Robert Lewandowski is my top choice"

[Boxscarf]

"I think if a good offer comes in for him we should part ways and bring in another striker who can score goals. Robert Lewandowski is my top choice"

That's only if a good offer comes in though. I have never said outright that we ought to sell Suarez.

Also Robert Lewandowski is a younger, much superior striker.

[sgs]

I suspect u have never seriously watched Lewandowski. Either that or u have a serious problem...

[Kenny Kan]

I suspect u have never seriously watched Lewandowski. Either that or u have a serious problem...

Well the fact he's even 'talking' about getting rid of Suarez while sounding like a banker shows that he has a serious problem.

[Boxscarf]

I suspect u have never seriously watched Lewandowski. Either that or u have a serious problem...

I've watched him enough to know he's a fantastic striker. In 34 league matches last season he scored 22 goals. This season so far he has played 7 league games and scored 3 goals. He's sitting on 6 goals in 12 matches at the moment for Dortmund in all competitions.

[sgs]

U clearly have not seen enough of him. If u had u would not be as foolish as to do a head 2 head with Suarez.

I've seen all of Dormund's game from last season and more. He fits squarely into their system but does not begin to approach the technical skills of Suarez.

U truly have problems...

[Boxscarf]

Let's see, a technical striker who misses most of his chances and is overly selfish despite having four assists to his name this season or a striker who bangs goals in for fun. I wonder which one I'd pick given the choice...

[Kenny Kan]

The grass is always greener

[Boxscarf]

The grass is always greener

It's not though. I'm not interested in strikers being technically gifted players, the best strikers in the world are the ones who score the most goals. Robbie Fowler wasn't the greatest technical player, but he was one of the best players for finding the net, I'd take Fowler in his prime over Suarez. Alan Shearer is another fella who wasn't technically brilliant, but who knew where the net was. It's all well and good having a technical striker, but if he's only converting 10% of his chances then that technical brilliance is meaningless. Suarez is doing well this season though, I can see no reason why he cannot scored more than 20 goals in all competitions this season. The fella has goals in him, it's whether or not he's going to start increasing his conversion rate.

[Kenny Kan]

I understand what you're saying but I don't understand why you would sell Suarez.

[Boxscarf]

I understand what you're saying but I don't understand why you would sell Suarez.

My main problems with Suarez centre around two things 1) his behavioural problems which have impacted negatively on our club and b) his poor conversion rates. I am probably in a minority of Liverpool fans who isn't really as hot on Suarez as he ought to be. I have to admit to wanting to see the back of Suarez in the summer mainly due to the racism scandal that he dragged our club through and ultimately I believe it was one of the main reasons a legend of this club unfairly lost his job as a result. He put Kenny in a bad position where Kenny's own reputation took a battering and that was utterly selfish and totally unfair. Kenny was always going to defend Suarez and the club from the media and as a result I believe that impacted negatively on us and our results from there on in. We lost our main attacking threat for nine matches. I can't ever forgive Suarez for last season and it's going to take a lot more than a hattrick against Norwich and a great display against Everton to make me warm to him.

Again this season Suarez has driven me utterly bonkers, his diving, his squandering of guilt edge chances and his selfishness. I was also furious with him that he had the audacity to have a go at Raheem Sterling for taking on a shot, instead of passing it him. Raheem Sterling has shown that he is more of a team player this season than Suarez has. Raheem Sterling also hasn't been charged with using racial language and suspended for 9 matches and he also doesn't have a reputation as a cheat which has affected important decisions in a lot of our matches this season. We as a club are being penalised because of Suarez's actions. Again, until that changes I will hold the wee buck-tooth fella highly accountable for the decisions that have gone against us. I can almost guarantee that had Gerrard scored the winner against Everton yesterday that the flag would have stayed down. I believe the flag was raised because it was Suarez who scored it. There's a conspiracy against Suarez because of his reputation and I hold him accountable for that.

[Kenny Kan]

I understand what you're saying but I don't understand why you would sell Suarez.

My main problems with Suarez centre around two things 1) his behavioural problems which have impacted negatively on our club and b) his poor conversion rates. I am probably in a minority of Liverpool fans who isn't really as hot on Suarez as he ought to be. I have to admit to wanting to see the back of Suarez in the summer mainly due to the racism scandal that he dragged our club through and ultimately I believe it was one of the main reasons a legend of this club unfairly lost his job as a result. He put Kenny in a bad position where Kenny's own reputation took a battering and that was utterly selfish and totally unfair. Kenny was always going to defend Suarez and the club from the media and as a result I believe that impacted negatively on us and our results from there on in. We lost our main attacking threat for nine matches. I can't ever forgive Suarez for last season and it's going to take a lot more than a hattrick against Norwich and a great display against Everton to make me warm to him.

Again this season Suarez has driven me utterly bonkers, his diving, his squandering of guilt edge chances and his selfishness. I was also furious with him that he had the audacity to have a go at Raheem Sterling for taking on a shot, instead of passing it him. Raheem Sterling has shown that he is more of a team player this season than Suarez has. Raheem Sterling also hasn't been charged with using racial language and suspended for 9 matches and he also doesn't have a reputation as a cheat which has affected important decisions in a lot of our matches this season. We as a club are being penalised because of Suarez's actions. Again, until that changes I will hold the wee buck-tooth fella highly accountable for the decisions that have gone against us. I can almost guarantee that had Gerrard scored the winner against Everton yesterday that the flag would have stayed down. I believe the flag was raised because it was Suarez who scored it. There's a conspiracy against Suarez because of his reputation and I hold him accountable for that.

I really don't know where to start with that post, it reads as though it's coming from another supporter of another club.

So, you don't like his behaviour, would you prefer 11 bots running round the field with no individualism or character just to appease the broader media and people like yourself? FWIW, the moment of the match on Sunday for me was Suarez's dive after his goal, so as you can see we're at polar opposites with our regards to Suarez. If managers and players try to get into the minds of ref's and influence games by taking sly digs at our players, they should also expect such remarks to be rubbed into their faces as Suarez aptly did on Sunday. He gets attacked from all angles (much of his own doing perhaps) and is public enemy number 1in Britain, I'm surprised he hasn't been blamed for hurricane Sandy. But, that IN NO FUCKING WAY should influence and determine decisions in football matches. He cannot and should not be held "accountable" for  biased and influenced reffing due to the witchunt that surrounds him either on or off the pitch, refs are paid to be impartial. The fact you and others on here allude this to being Suarez's fault is a f.ucking disgrace to (what's left of) the integrity and dignity of the sport.

His poor conversion rates. He isn't the best finisher, he isn't the one who decides where he plays, he isn't the one who spends money on transfers fees. It's not his fault we haven't got a prolific goal scorer, his conversion rate is something like 29 goals in 65 games which isn't bad at all, could he do better? Yes he could, but I'd take him and build the team around him such is the genius he is. He does great work inside and outside the box, he's our only genuine threat and you want rid of him because 1) you don't like his attitude & 2) his conversion rate (which as said isn't bad, even though you'd want to heap more pressure on his shoulders because the rest of the lads don't do their fair share when chipping in with goals).

Diving isn't a new phenomenon but you wouldn't think that with the way people have carried on re Suarez. It's total hypocrisy of the highest order and again as an LFC supporter you're more concerned with what others think. Suarez has been stamped on, had stone wall penalties denied and you blame him because of his rep when decisions don't go his way - EXTRAORDINARY logic when a ref is supposed to be impartial and objective. It's shocking IMO you hold him accountable for a reffing decision that's out of his hands.

Anyway, as Sunday showed, it seems Suarez doesn't give a feck what people think of him (good on him) and neither should I. Carry on, knock yourself out I can't be @rsed.