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by **supersub** » Wed Apr 25, 2012 11:42 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlCgRp43HRU

by **andy_g** » Wed Apr 25, 2012 1:06 pm

i think that chelsea sussed out barca quite well, i have to admit. they always attack the same way... shuttle the ball back and forth on the edge of the box, then a quick one two into feet or a little dink over the top. once in a while they'll vary it a bit and put a cross in but not much. as long as chelsea, even with full backs as centre backs, can pack the box with bodies its hard for barca to find that little pocket of space that messi and iniesta normally so brilliantly exploit.

by **metalhead** » Wed Apr 25, 2012 4:48 pm

supersub » Wed Apr 25, 2012 10:42 am wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlCgRp43HRU

... I don't know what happened to him!

by **maypaxvobiscum** » Wed Apr 25, 2012 4:54 pm

if Chelsea wins the ECL, wil they qualify for next season's competition as they would be the holders?
also, does this mean the team which finishes 4th in the league won't qualify, or would they have to go through play-offs like we did when we finished 5th after winning the cup?

by **LFC2007** » Wed Apr 25, 2012 5:44 pm

maypaxvobiscum » Wed Apr 25, 2012 3:54 pm wrote:if Chelsea wins the ECL, wil they qualify for next season's competition as they would be the holders?
also, does this mean the team which finishes 4th in the league won't qualify, or would they have to go through play-offs like we did when we finished 5th after winning the cup?

UEFA changed the rules after we won it so that now the titleholder qualifies for the following year's competition at the expense of fourth (or the lowest CL qualifying position), who would drop into the Europa League.

by **maypaxvobiscum** » Wed Apr 25, 2012 6:05 pm

thanks LFC2007. i rather see Newcastle in the Champions League then Chelsea winning the cup

by **Boxscarf** » Wed Apr 25, 2012 7:07 pm

I see John Obi Mikel has pleaded with UEFA to rescind the bans of Ivanovic, Meireles, Ramires and Terry! :laugh:

by **LFC2007** » Wed Apr 25, 2012 7:11 pm

maypaxvobiscum » Wed Apr 25, 2012 5:05 pm wrote:thanks LFC2007. i rather see Newcastle in the Champions League then Chelsea winning the cup

Agreed. Not just because it would be unbearable to see Chelsea win but because it would likely benefit us if they lose the final and the Barcodes pip the others to fourth. Despite their success this season, I can't see Newcastle being CL regulars any time soon, so if they can deprive the others of the revenue and the chance to sign better players, it can only be good for us. (Try telling that to lakes

).

by **maypaxvobiscum** » Wed Apr 25, 2012 7:19 pm

LFC2007 » Wed Apr 25, 2012 6:11 pm wrote:
maypaxvobiscum » Wed Apr 25, 2012 5:05 pm wrote:thanks LFC2007. i rather see Newcastle in the Champions League then Chelsea winning the cup

Agreed. Not just because it would be unbearable to see Chelsea win but because it would likely benefit us if they lose the final and the Barcodes pip the others to fourth. Despite their success this season, I can't see Newcastle being CL regulars any time soon, so if they can deprive the others of the revenue and the chance to sign better players, it can only be good for us. (Try telling that to lakes ).

That's actually a damn good point, about signing players :laugh:

Who do you reckon will win tonight? Real or Bayern?
I'm hoping Real wins as they pose a bigger threat to Chelsea because unlike Barcelona, they don't try to walk the ball into the net.

by **SouthCoastShankly** » Wed Apr 25, 2012 7:29 pm

For those who aren't sure about European permutations next season, here's some light reading -

First Published: Tuesday 24 April 2012
European qualification: The permutations

Chelsea hold the key to a number of scenarios relating to reaching Europe next season

Chelsea's superb performance in Barcelona on Tuesday ensured a place in the UEFA Champions League final for a Barclays Premier League club for the seventh time in eight seasons. On May 19th, the Blues will hope to go one better than their narrow defeat on penalties to Manchester United in the 2007/08 final in Moscow. Chelsea will face the winners of Wednesday's second semi-final between Real Madrid and Bayern Munich - and the match represents one of two opportunities for Roberto di Matteo's men to qualify for next year's competition. They can qualify via their Barclays Premier League placing or as competition winners - but the various permutations regarding qualification are complex, so here is a guide to show how the various outcomes of the next few weeks could affect qualification.

IF CHELSEA WIN THE UEFA CHAMPIONS LEAGUE
The Blues will qualify for the Group Stage of next season's tournament as winners.
If Chelsea also finish third in the Barclays Premier League (their highest-possible finish as of April 25th), then the fourth-placed team will enter the competition at the Play-Off stage (which follows the three qualifcation rounds) - the final obstacle ahead of the Group Stage.

If Chelsea finish fourth, all four Barclays Premier League teams will enter at the Group Stage.
If Chelsea finish fifth or lower, they still enter at the Group Stage as defending champions. Because no nation can have more than four teams in the competition, the team that finishes fourth in the Barclays Premier League will qualify for the UEFA Europa League, not the UEFA Champions League.

The top three clubs will enter the UEFA Champions League at the Group Stage as normal.

IF CHELSEA DO NOT WIN THE UEFA CHAMPIONS LEAGUE
The situation reverts to the standard qualification procedure - that is the top four clubs in the Barclays Premier League will qualify.

The top three will enter at the Group Stage, with the fourth having to win the Play-Off to reach the Group Stage.
Manchester United and Manchester City are both guaranteed to finish in the top two and have secured their Champions League place for 2012/13.

WHAT ABOUT THE UEFA EUROPA LEAGUE?
This is where things get rather complicated.

England has three places available, with The FA Cup winners entering at the Group Stage, the team finishing fifth in the Barclays Premier League entering at the Play-Off Stage, and the Carling Cup winners entering in the third qualifying round.
Liverpool are this season's Carling Cup champions, but should they win The FA Cup, that would take precedence as their route into the Europa League, and their Carling Cup Europa League place passes to the highest Barclays Premier League finisher not already qualified for Europe via another route.

The FA Cup final sees Liverpool play Chelsea at Wembley on May 5th.

Here are the possible qualification scenarios:
(Key - UCL = UEFA Champions League, BPL = Barclays Premier League)

CHELSEA WIN UCL AND FA CUP FINALS
Chelsea qualify for the Champions League, with their FA Cup Europa League place going to Liverpool as runners-up - with the two remaining Europa League places going to the highest-place Barclays Premier League teams which have not already qualified for Europe. The Champions League places will be decided as outlined above.

CHELSEA WIN UCL, LOSE FA CUP FINAL
Chelsea qualify for the Champions League, and Liverpool take The FA Cup Europa League spot with their Carling Cup Europa League spot going to the highest-place Barclays Premier League team which has not already qualified for Europe. The Champions League places will be decided as outlined above.

CHELSEA LOSE UCL FINAL, WIN FA CUP FINAL, FINISH IN TOP FOUR IN BPL
Chelsea qualify for the Champions League, their FA Cup Europa League spot goes to Liverpool as runners-up and the remaining two Europa League spots go to the highest-place Barclays Premier League teams which have not already qualified for Europe.

CHELSEA LOSE UCL FINAL, WIN FA CUP FINAL, FINISH FIFTH IN BPL
Chelsea qualify for the Europa League with Liverpool (Carling Cup winnners) and the sixth-placed team also entering the Europa League (if Liverpool finish sixth, the seventh-placed team enters the Europa League).

CHELSEA LOSE UCL FINAL, WIN FA CUP FINAL, FINISH SIXTH OR LOWER IN BPL
Chelsea qualify for the Europa League with Liverpool (Carling Cup winners) and the fifth-placed team also entering the Europa League (Liverpool can no longer finish fifth)

CHELSEA LOSE UCL AND FA CUP FINALS, FINISH IN TOP FOUR IN BPL
Chelsea qualify for the Champions League, Liverpool claim The FA Cup Europa spot and the two highest-placed Barclays Premier League teams which have not already qualified for Europe enter the Europa League.

CHELSEA LOSE BOTH UCL AND FA CUP FINALS, FINISH FIFTH IN BPL
Chelsea enter the Europa League, Liverpool claim the FA Cup Europa spot and the next highest-placed Barclays Premier League team which has not already qualified for Europe enters the Europa League.

CHELSEA LOSE BOTH UCL AND FA CUP FINALS, FINISH SIXTH IN BPL
Chelsea enter the Europa League along with the fifth-placed team, while Liverpool claim The FA Cup Europa spot.

CHELSEA LOSE BOTH UCL AND FA CUP FINALS, FINISH SEVENTH IN BPL
Chelsea could enter the Europa League, provided Liverpool (who qualify for the competition as FA Cup winers) finish sixth - the fifth-placed team would also enter the Europa League.

CHELSEA LOSE BOTH UCL AND FA CUP FINALS, FINISH BELOW SEVENTH IN BPL
Chelsea will not qualify for Europe unless via the Fair Play League (see below). The top four teams will enter the Champions League, Liverpool take the FA Cup Europa spot and the two highest-placed Barclays Premier League teams which have not already qualified for Europe enter the Europa League.

FAIR PLAY
The one remaining aspect is that the winners of the Fair Play League could enter the Europa League at the first qualifying round. This place automatically goes to the three best-placed national associations in the UEFA Respect fair play rankings provided they achieve an average of 8.0 points or more. The top three associations will then be entitled to enter the club that has either won their domestic top-division fair play competition, or if they have already qualified, the runners-up and so forth.

by **Boxscarf** » Wed Apr 25, 2012 8:00 pm

This is the Cristiano Ronaldo show, Real Madrid 2-0 up inside 20 minutes.

by **Greavesie** » Wed Apr 25, 2012 8:43 pm

if Cahill's hammy has gone it'll be interesting to see what defence Chelsea put out, though I suspect they'll just replicate the 9-0-1 formation they played last night

The John Terry stuff is hilarious - how many times has he said 'people who know me know I'm not that kind of player'? The incident with Puyol last week was the first thing I though of, never mind the racism and the many other times he's played the big man. I ***** hate that mans public persona and all this lionheart ***** - the guys a pikey c*nt

by **Boxscarf** » Wed Apr 25, 2012 9:17 pm

Real Madrid are 2-1 up, 3-3 on aggregate, here's hoping for extra time and penalties.

by **metalhead** » Wed Apr 25, 2012 9:40 pm

Bayern doing really well, dominated in the 2nd half... extra time now

by **andy_g** » Wed Apr 25, 2012 10:01 pm

i wish the commentators would stop crying about players missing the final after picking up yellows. its not just about the final, if the players can't control themselves over the course of the competition then they don't get to play, simple as that.

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