metalhead » Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:43 pm wrote:maguskwt » Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:00 pm wrote:We ARE a selling club... at least that's how rest of europe sees us, whatever the reasons for players leaving. There is an impression that if you try hard enough and with enough money, we WILL part with our best players. Masherano, Alonso, Torres, Suarez, Sterling, Coutinho all left without the managers wanting them to leave. It doesn't matter what became of them when they leave us. Some succeeded like Alonso, Mash, Suarez, some failed like Torres. Doesn't mean Sh*t to us.
How to avoid this? By showing ambition and win things. How to win things? by keeping your best players and avoiding the endless loop of rebuilding. Simple as that. Just because recently we had been more balanced after selling Couts, doesn't mean that that is something that will always happen after selling your best player.
Nah we are not.
Bar Coutinho, which top player did we sell under Klopp?
All others players that Klopp sold were either deadwood or players the manager didn't rate at all.
In coutinho's case it was his dream move
so how are we a selling club?
ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Wed Mar 21, 2018 6:14 pm wrote:Barcelona got bounced into it by a buy out clause they never thought would be met, the fact Neymar wanted to leave didn't bother Barcelona they still did everything they could to stop him including employing an army of lawyers to go through the contract with a fine tooth comb and lobbying La Liga and the Spanish government to block the move on trade and industry grounds.
If Neymar would have had 4 and a half years left on his contract and no buy out clause he'd still be at Barcelona.
Klopptomaniac » Wed Mar 21, 2018 6:40 pm wrote:ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Wed Mar 21, 2018 6:14 pm wrote:Barcelona got bounced into it by a buy out clause they never thought would be met, the fact Neymar wanted to leave didn't bother Barcelona they still did everything they could to stop him including employing an army of lawyers to go through the contract with a fine tooth comb and lobbying La Liga and the Spanish government to block the move on trade and industry grounds.
If Neymar would have had 4 and a half years left on his contract and no buy out clause he'd still be at Barcelona.
But he doesn't. He could have stayed if he wanted but chose to leave. If he wanted to go what use is Barcelona shackling him by finding some flimsy clause in his contract?
Mo is still here. No ifs about it. As we speak, Mo is a Liverpool player. The panic this is causing is outrageous (people are going to say they're not panicking but this thread is a direct response to the media and Salah talk)
metalhead » Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:43 pm wrote:maguskwt » Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:00 pm wrote:We ARE a selling club... at least that's how rest of europe sees us, whatever the reasons for players leaving. There is an impression that if you try hard enough and with enough money, we WILL part with our best players. Masherano, Alonso, Torres, Suarez, Sterling, Coutinho all left without the managers wanting them to leave. It doesn't matter what became of them when they leave us. Some succeeded like Alonso, Mash, Suarez, some failed like Torres. Doesn't mean Sh*t to us.
How to avoid this? By showing ambition and win things. How to win things? by keeping your best players and avoiding the endless loop of rebuilding. Simple as that. Just because recently we had been more balanced after selling Couts, doesn't mean that that is something that will always happen after selling your best player.
Nah we are not.
Bar Coutinho, which top player did we sell under Klopp?
All others players that Klopp sold were either deadwood or players the manager didn't rate at all.
In coutinho's case it was his dream move
so how are we a selling club?
ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Wed Mar 21, 2018 10:35 pm wrote:Klopptomaniac » Wed Mar 21, 2018 6:40 pm wrote:ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Wed Mar 21, 2018 6:14 pm wrote:Barcelona got bounced into it by a buy out clause they never thought would be met, the fact Neymar wanted to leave didn't bother Barcelona they still did everything they could to stop him including employing an army of lawyers to go through the contract with a fine tooth comb and lobbying La Liga and the Spanish government to block the move on trade and industry grounds.
If Neymar would have had 4 and a half years left on his contract and no buy out clause he'd still be at Barcelona.
But he doesn't. He could have stayed if he wanted but chose to leave. If he wanted to go what use is Barcelona shackling him by finding some flimsy clause in his contract?
Mo is still here. No ifs about it. As we speak, Mo is a Liverpool player. The panic this is causing is outrageous (people are going to say they're not panicking but this thread is a direct response to the media and Salah talk)
How are people panicking? If anything they are just being realistic. It's just a fact that over the last decade or so anytime one of our players has shown any sort of star quality they have tended to leave. We all know the list - Torres, Suarez, Coutinho, Sterling etc etc. What makes you think Mo is going to be any different? If Madrid come in for him we are obviously going to have a tough job on our hands trying to keep him, denying that is just ludicrous.
We haven't won the league in nearly 30 years in fact we've only won 1 league cup in the last 12 years and top players want to win things. It's no use burying our heads in the sand over this, it's something that as a club we need to address.
maguskwt » Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:40 pm wrote:metalhead » Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:43 pm wrote:maguskwt » Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:00 pm wrote:We ARE a selling club... at least that's how rest of europe sees us, whatever the reasons for players leaving. There is an impression that if you try hard enough and with enough money, we WILL part with our best players. Masherano, Alonso, Torres, Suarez, Sterling, Coutinho all left without the managers wanting them to leave. It doesn't matter what became of them when they leave us. Some succeeded like Alonso, Mash, Suarez, some failed like Torres. Doesn't mean Sh*t to us.
How to avoid this? By showing ambition and win things. How to win things? by keeping your best players and avoiding the endless loop of rebuilding. Simple as that. Just because recently we had been more balanced after selling Couts, doesn't mean that that is something that will always happen after selling your best player.
Nah we are not.
Bar Coutinho, which top player did we sell under Klopp?
All others players that Klopp sold were either deadwood or players the manager didn't rate at all.
In coutinho's case it was his dream move
so how are we a selling club?
Are we talking about under Klopp or under FSG? Because when it comes to selling players I don't think the manager or any manager has complete autonomy. If it was, Coutinho would never be sold. It is a joint decision between owners and manager.
ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Wed Mar 21, 2018 6:32 pm wrote:metalhead » Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:43 pm wrote:maguskwt » Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:00 pm wrote:We ARE a selling club... at least that's how rest of europe sees us, whatever the reasons for players leaving. There is an impression that if you try hard enough and with enough money, we WILL part with our best players. Masherano, Alonso, Torres, Suarez, Sterling, Coutinho all left without the managers wanting them to leave. It doesn't matter what became of them when they leave us. Some succeeded like Alonso, Mash, Suarez, some failed like Torres. Doesn't mean Sh*t to us.
How to avoid this? By showing ambition and win things. How to win things? by keeping your best players and avoiding the endless loop of rebuilding. Simple as that. Just because recently we had been more balanced after selling Couts, doesn't mean that that is something that will always happen after selling your best player.
Nah we are not.
Bar Coutinho, which top player did we sell under Klopp?
All others players that Klopp sold were either deadwood or players the manager didn't rate at all.
In coutinho's case it was his dream move
so how are we a selling club?
Klopps only been here 2 years, saying that if Mo carries this form into the World Cup it might be 2 out in 2 years.
ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Thu Mar 22, 2018 12:49 pm wrote:What makes you think the Mo situation is going to be any different from the Torres, Suarez, Coutinho, Sterling etc ones? Recent history has clearly shown that any time we stumble across a player of genuine quality they end up leaving, why would this time be any different? Yeah we might go through a similar charade to the Coutinho one last summer where the club puts up a bit of a fight to placate the fans but if Mo really is the real deal recent history has shown that he will be gone soon enough.
If we can't keep hold of Coutinho when he had 4 and a half years left on his contract, no buy out clause and a World Cup looming on the horizon when will we realistically ever keep hold of a player? The club couldn't have been in a stronger position to make a stand but chose not to.
In fact I find it hard to get excited these days when one of our players starts to perform exceptionally well, in the past I used to think to myself 'we can build a title winning team around this fella' but these days I just tend to wonder how long he will last and how much we will get for him.
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