Sabre wrote:I wanted to ask you, in your opinion, why in the second half it was less of a mess than in the first half?
One reason is of course Fiore's intensity was lower, but was there any other reason?
supersub wrote:bigmick wrote:Sir Roger wrote:Gerrard had a stinker last night
I've no doubts that you are right mate. If you play two players in the centre of midfield who aren't up to the job of distributing the football to the players who play up front, the aforementioned strikers won't function.
Coincidently, Torres who has been setting the World on fire was quiet as well. Funnily enough, both him and Gerrard were also quiet in the first three league games as well. Some players do their best work off the ball, but players need to have it in order to win you football matches.
Aurelio/Lucas was never going to work. I know people will accuse me of speaking after the event but that's up to them, the selection was bonkers.
Gerrard gave the ball away but thats other players fault
Gerrard was pedestrian in the 1st half but that is down to other players
Torres and Gerrard have indifferent games etc and it's because of other players
bigmick wrote:Yes I thought that was an odd post too Conn. Still, it would be a boring World if we all agreed with each other I suppose .
ConnO'var wrote:bigmick wrote:Yes I thought that was an odd post too Conn. Still, it would be a boring World if we all agreed with each other I suppose .
What can I say, mick?
Extreme analogies seldom paint a full picture but rather only serves to demonstrate one's point.... regardless of the validity of that point. Going by that particular analogy.....
If we get stuffed 10-0 nil, it has to be the keeper's fault. Doesn't really matter if the gaffer decided to play with 10 strikers or the central defenders on the day were blind, lame and 4 foot 2!
Works both ways.... makes you wonder if some really understand how football is played. Do we really expect both Torres and Gerrard to abandon all game plans and take over the game as they please and to hell with the gaffer's tactics?
The gaffer messed up.... pure and simple, imo. Aurelio and Lucas in the middle didn't work at all and most would have expected that. Fiorentina played smart before and during the game. They made out like they were afraid of our attacking prowess following our recent victories in the premiership. Probably lulled us into a false sense of security and over-confidence. We disrespected them by selecting the team the way we did.
We got spanked because we got cute. Plain and simple.
What next? Why don't we do an Allardyce and play Pepe upfront to partner Skrtel.... perhaps put Nando in defence? After all the lad has pace to burn.... no striker in the world is going to outpace him are they? Maybe Gerrard in goal? God knows that's probably the only position he hasn't been tried at.... Possibilites are important, no?
Ludicrous decision. The saving grace is that it's the Champion's League and I generally don't put such an emphasis on this particular tournament.
Back to the thread topic though... Gerrard is playing as badly as I can remember for an extended run of games. Such is his class that he still looks decent, but by his standards he's nowhere near the level of last season. Perhaps that court case messed with his head, but for our sake he needs to sort it out soon.
supersub wrote:my post had nothing to do with the Fiorentina game...so you missed the point there.
I merely indicated that Torres and Gerrard can have poor games too but for some reason certain "fans" will lay the blame for that on the other players or the manager and not on Torres and Gerrard themselves.
aCe' wrote:The Alonso thing dragged on for too long, the Aquilani thing (despite me being sure that eventually he'll prove to be an excellent signing) wasnt well considered,
aCe' wrote:oh hellooo....
I think much is being asked of Gerrard this season in the absence of Alonso... sort of like what we had in the last years with Houllier where Gerrard pretty much had to cover more ground to cover/carry some of the players around him... Last season, with Alonso and Masch behind him, he had the freedom to do what he does best where it mattered the most... This season, he quite simply doesnt have that luxury... He hasnt been performing to the ridiculously high standards of last season, but hes still been our most important player bar none.. Without him in the side, i dont think we'd finish higher than sixth.. Without him AND Torres, i think we'd be midtable unless Aquilani proves to be a worldclass signing..
Personally, i think Rafa has got it wrong this season... even before the season started he didnt seem to have a plan put forward for this season... The Alonso thing dragged on for too long, the Aquilani thing (despite me being sure that eventually he'll prove to be an excellent signing) wasnt well considered, and quite simply the fixture list did us many favours leaving us where we are now in the league... For me, Gerrard behind Torres with the likes of Lucas, Aurelio and Mascherano playing in the middle is an absolute waste... Rafa needs to figure it out, and figure out soon... the next few games could very well shape our season...
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