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Postby devaney » Fri Nov 04, 2022 10:45 am

Lallana in Pyjamas » Thu Nov 03, 2022 5:59 pm wrote:
devaney » Thu Nov 03, 2022 2:21 pm wrote:I am actually more concerned with what Keita  actually did in those 40 games! You’ll be suggesting next that Oxlade-Chamberlain is the answer to our midfield problems


Keita actually played well last season - gave a lot of false hope


For a so-called attacking midfield player his stats are awful. Less than a handful of goals and even fewer assists in 37 games during 21/22. I like your positivity mate but Keita is a part of the problem and not the answer.
Net Spend Over The Last 5 Years (10 years
are in brackets)
LFC £255m (£467m)
Everton £38m (£287m)
Arsenal £645m6 (£925m)
Spurs £510m (£541m)
Chelsea £788m (£1007m)
Man City £307m (£1012m)
Man United £702m (£1249m)
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Postby Eagle » Fri Nov 04, 2022 11:10 am

devaney » Fri Nov 04, 2022 9:45 am wrote:
Lallana in Pyjamas » Thu Nov 03, 2022 5:59 pm wrote:
devaney » Thu Nov 03, 2022 2:21 pm wrote:I am actually more concerned with what Keita  actually did in those 40 games! You’ll be suggesting next that Oxlade-Chamberlain is the answer to our midfield problems


Keita actually played well last season - gave a lot of false hope


For a so-called attacking midfield player his stats are awful. Less than a handful of goals and even fewer assists in 37 games during 21/22. I like your positivity mate but Keita is a part of the problem and not the answer.


It's bizarre to put a strong focus on goals and assists when assessing our midfield considering the way we setup. Some people spent 5 years telling us how Wijnaldum did nothing because he wasn't scoring goals and assists when he was integral to our tactical setup and success. Which midfielders have we had in recent years who have been getting goals and assists? We've been playing through our fullbacks who been racking up the assists.
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Postby kazza » Fri Nov 04, 2022 11:42 am

Most expensive assembled squads

10 Bayern Munich (£253m)
Bayern just creep into the top 10 of the list, which is based on numbers from CIES. The figures, which relate to the season to date, might be different had the Magpies been able to call upon record signing Alexander Isak more regularly.

The Bundesliga champions have added close to £100m of new signings to their ranks over the summer, with Sadio Mane and Matthijs de Ligt among the highest-profile arrivals. However, their squad also includes free transfers and academy graduates including long-serving forward Thomas Muller.

9 Juventus (£258m)
Just ahead of Bayern are Juve, who have made good use of the free agency market on many an occasion. Their starting XIs might even be cheaper had Paul Pogba - who joined from Man Utd in the summer - not been sidelined through injury.

January signing Dusan Vlahovic is the most expensive member of the squad, but the Bianconeri also have a number of longer-serving players who cost them a fair whack a few years ago. It hasn't helped them, though, with Max Allegri's team out of the Champions League early and down in seventh in Serie A.

8 Barcelona (£287m)
Another team suffering Champions League disappointment, Barcelona spent big over the summer in an effort to refresh their squad. However, the additions of Robert Lewandowski and Raphinha haven't helped Xavi's side in Europe.

Over the years, Barca have blended big-money marquee signings with academy graduates like Sergio Busquets and Ansu Fati. However, their forward options have set the club back more than £220m on their own, with Lewandowski, Raphinha, Ferran Torres and Ousmane Dembele all expensive acquisitions.

7 Real Madrid (£318m)
The reigning Champions League winners have dipped back into the market after some sound investments gave them victory in Paris in May. The likes of Karim Benzema and Vinicius Junior have stuck around, but Carlo Ancelotti has bolstered his midfield with £80m star Aurelien Tchouameni.

While there are expensive squad members at the Bernabeu, including Tchouameni and Eden Hazard, there are also free transfers. The likes of David Alaba and Antonio Rudiger have arrived for nothing, while there has often been a spot for at least one academy talent with Lucas Vazquez and Nacho picking up minutes.

6 Arsenal (£329m)
Arsenal have spent big over the last two summer windows to set themselves up for a title challenge. Mikel Arteta's team has been transformed from the one he inherited, and that is clear to see in the results on the pitch.

Gabriel Jesus has been a regular presence as the Gunners have climbed to the top of the table, while the likes of Ben White and Martin Odegaard arrived for big money in 2021. Their average XI might be even more expensive if record signing Nicolas Pepe hadn't been loaned out after losing his place to Hale End graduate Bukayo Saka.

5 Chelsea (£338m)
Chelsea were the biggest spenders in the Premier League over the summer, welcoming around £270m worth of new players. However, injury has meant they've been without the most expensive of those for much of the season, with Wesley Fofana managing just two league starts for the Blues.

The rest of the team has been a blend of academy graduates including Mason Mount, free agents including Thiago Silva, and expensive recruits including £62m Kai Havertz. The average may drop between now and the World Cup, with £71m goalkeeper Kepa suffering an injury against Brighton.

4 Liverpool (£352m)
Despite some injury setbacks this season, Liverpool have regularly been able to field an expensively-assembled XI. Alisson, Virgil van Dijk and summer signing Darwin Nunez account for more than £200m between them, but £36m man Ibrahima Konate and £41m Diogo Jota have both been sidelined for periods.

Jurgen Klopp has also had an eye for a bargain like Andy Robertson and has successfully integrated the likes of Trent Alexander-Arnold and Curtis Jones from the academy. However, the Reds' total is a reminder of how teams now need to spend to compete.

3 Manchester United (£413m)
Speaking of spending, Man Utd have forked out more than £130m on former Ajax players alone this summer. Throw Casemiro and 2021 signing Raphael Varane into the mix and you're already more than halfway towards that huge total.

The average of around £37m per player might be even higher were it not for two of last season's regulars dropping out of the XI. £80m centre-back Harry Maguire made way for Lisandro Martinez before his injury, while Cristiano Ronaldo - bought for around £13m - has regularly been passed over for academy graduate Marcus Rashford.

2 Paris Saint-Germain (£439m)
Paris Saint-Germain have two of the most expensive players of all time in their squad, but they're still not top of the pile. World record buy Neymar and France star Kylian Mbappe account for around £400m, but the duo haven't started every game this term.

Elsewhere in the squad, PSG have benefited from some free transfers including Lionel Messi, Sergio Ramos and Gigi Donnarumma. Loaning out £50m Mauro Icardi and reintegrating Pablo Sarabia has also been a factor for Christophe Galtier's team.

1 Manchester City (£560m)
Manchester City haven't spent mega money on individual players all that often, but an average of just over £50m per player can be put down to their XI regularly including eight or nine players bought for around that average figure. Indeed, Phil Foden is the only academy graduate to earn regular minutes.

Erling Haaland arrived for £51m over the summer, and has occasionally been part of a £200m front three when Jack Grealish and Riyad Mahrez have started either side of him. Elsewhere in the squad, Rodri and Ruben Dias are among the most expensive recruits.

City have won the last two Premier League titles, benefiting from their big-money players in the process. However, despite all that money, they are still waiting for their first Champions League win.

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Sheds more light on how bad our owners are. The only teams that have spent more on their squad are the money bags teams, which we are not.
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Postby Lallana in Pyjamas » Fri Nov 04, 2022 11:49 am

devaney » Fri Nov 04, 2022 9:45 am wrote:
Lallana in Pyjamas » Thu Nov 03, 2022 5:59 pm wrote:
devaney » Thu Nov 03, 2022 2:21 pm wrote:I am actually more concerned with what Keita  actually did in those 40 games! You’ll be suggesting next that Oxlade-Chamberlain is the answer to our midfield problems


Keita actually played well last season - gave a lot of false hope


For a so-called attacking midfield player his stats are awful. Less than a handful of goals and even fewer assists in 37 games during 21/22. I like your positivity mate but Keita is a part of the problem and not the answer.


Assist and goals are stats not normally used when assessing our midfield as it’s not their primary role - Keita hasn’t ever really been  an attacking midfielder in that sense

It is a shame he is made of balsa wood as he would be superb as an 8

Maybe he could be like Dembele and suddenly become superman :D
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Postby kazza » Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:50 am

Still, for 60 million I’d expect a player that controls his position batter than he does.
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Postby UvS xR4GEx » Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:04 pm

Looks like Naby has picked up a fresh injury. He's been absolutely useless to anyone these last 2 seasons.
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Postby Pig Catcher » Sat Nov 05, 2022 7:18 pm

UvS xR4GEx » Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:04 pm wrote:Looks like Naby has picked up a fresh injury. He's been absolutely useless to anyone these last 2 seasons.


Where did you see that mate? I couldn't see anything reported. Klopp said he'd unlikely play before the world cup anyway and would use the break as a pre-season to get ready for the 2nd part of the season.

Not sure about being useless last year. We used him loads to rotate our first choice midfield and he made about 40 appearances including in some big games.
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Postby Reg » Sat Nov 05, 2022 7:50 pm

Naby Keita Liverpool career stats:

Appearances 76,  Goals 7,  Wins 59,  Losses 5
Goals per match 0.09
Headed goals1
Shots 74
Shots on target 26
Shooting accuracy 35%
Hit woodwork 2
Big chances missed 5
Tackles 124
Tackle success 46%
Blocked shots 27
Interceptions 45
Clearances 23
Headed Clearance 11
Recoveries 298
Duels won 258
Duels lost 276
Successful 50/50s 70
Aerial battles won 28
Aerial battles lost 54
Errors leading to goal 0

I don't see anything inspiring about these stats.  Scored 7, 5 big chances missed. Duels won/lost 50%. Aerial battles 28/54.
All very average. :suspect:
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Postby red till i die!! » Sun Nov 06, 2022 2:57 pm

I read yesterday that Keita, Ox and Phillips were put on a transfer list. Hopefully it means we are making way for someone in January.

76 appearances in 4 and a half years is is some waste of money and at least half of that was cameos from the bench.
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Postby Lallana in Pyjamas » Sun Nov 06, 2022 7:53 pm

No one will spend money on Ox or Keita knowing they are free in 6 months time
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Postby Eagle » Tue Nov 08, 2022 4:36 pm

Pig Catcher » Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:18 pm wrote:
UvS xR4GEx » Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:04 pm wrote:Looks like Naby has picked up a fresh injury. He's been absolutely useless to anyone these last 2 seasons.


Where did you see that mate? I couldn't see anything reported. Klopp said he'd unlikely play before the world cup anyway and would use the break as a pre-season to get ready for the 2nd part of the season.

Not sure about being useless last year. We used him loads to rotate our first choice midfield and he made about 40 appearances including in some big games.


Looks like more Twitter rubbish. He continues his road to recovery and should be available after the world cup.

https://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/lfc-injury-update-diaz-keita-matip-and-milner

LFC injury update: Diaz, Keita, Matip and Milner

The Reds host Derby County in the third round of the Carabao Cup on Wednesday night and then face Southampton at Anfield in the Premier League on Saturday – their last games before the break for the World Cup.

James Milner will come back into contention for the second of those fixtures following a concussion, while Naby Keita’s availability for the weekend will be assessed.

Joel Matip is unlikely to return in time to face Saints, though Lijnders was able to report a positive upcoming step in Luis Diaz’s recovery from the knee issue he sustained last month.

Speaking to Liverpoolfc.com, the assistant manager said: “Naby will be difficult, he’s still training individually. Let’s see for Southampton.

“Millie will definitely be ready for Southampton but this game [against Derby] comes too early for tomorrow.

“Then we have of course Joel, who is getting closer to team training but will not make Southampton probably.

“The longer injuries, Luis Diaz is running for the first time on Thursday. That’s good news because we all know how important he was last year and in the second half of the season.

“And Jota will take longer.”
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Postby 7_Kewell » Fri Jan 06, 2023 3:23 pm

I think there is truth in the claim that Klopp is too loyal to his aging players. But let's not remember loyalty flows both ways.

That said, klopp will need to be ruthless in the summer and move on some of his favourites as part or a major overhaul.
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Postby woof woof ! » Fri Jan 06, 2023 3:36 pm

Is Jurgen in denial or are all of us misreading the game ?

Just watched Jurgens pre match press conference for the upcoming FA cup game v Wolves.

He is adamant that our midfield is not a problem  :ghostface:  .

I (and many others ? ) think he's blinded by his vision of a supersonic team playing a perfect game.

We are no longer "supersonic" and with ageing legs and opposition that know our game plan we are being mugged time and again.

Whatever happened to the expression "Control the midfield and you control the game" ? Surely Jurgen knows this ?
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