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[red till i die!!]

the lad is only 20 and id swear half our fans expect him to be the best midfielder in the league .
we need to sign more mature players so we can bring the likes of shelvey on behind them. he has played some good games for us but like sterling and suso he has bad ones and thats to be expected because they are only fooking kids.
most players only begin to break through at 23 so id be confident enough that shelvey will turn out to be a decent player when he gets to that age.

[ycsatbjywtbiastkamb]

the lad is only 20 and id swear half our fans expect him to be the best midfielder in the league .
we need to sign more mature players so we can bring the likes of shelvey on behind them. he has played some good games for us but like sterling and suso he has bad ones and thats to be expected because they are only fooking kids.
most players only begin to break through at 23 so id be confident enough that shelvey will turn out to be a decent player when he gets to that age.

i think the manager can help the young players a bit more by taking them out of the firing line when their form isnt great.
rodgers hung shelvey out to dry against stoke, the lad was having one of those days when nothing goes right but rodgers kept him on
shelvey is going to be a very good player but his form has definately suffered recently, he hasnt looked the same since he had that run in with ferguson at anfield. probably had to grovel to the arl #### like kenny did last season, that would knock anyones confidence.

[red till i die!!]

the lad is only 20 and id swear half our fans expect him to be the best midfielder in the league .
we need to sign more mature players so we can bring the likes of shelvey on behind them. he has played some good games for us but like sterling and suso he has bad ones and thats to be expected because they are only fooking kids.
most players only begin to break through at 23 so id be confident enough that shelvey will turn out to be a decent player when he gets to that age.

i think the manager can help the young players a bit more by taking them out of the firing line when their form isnt great.
rodgers hung shelvey out to dry against stoke, the lad was having one of those days when nothing goes right but rodgers kept him on
shelvey is going to be a very good player but his form has definately suffered recently, he hasnt looked the same since he had that run in with ferguson at anfield. probably had to grovel to the arl #### like kenny did last season, that would knock anyones confidence.

he should be rotating them better ill agree but doubt it his form has anything to do with that poisonous basket fergie.
its down to pressure imo, he has missed a good few goals this season and his confidence has suffered as a result of that. if he had of netted half the ones he missed we would be looking at a diferrent player now.
we have others in the team that are older and should be in contention for starts but there not, sahin(24) struggling with the physicality, assaidi(24) is also struggling and has only featured in 3 games in the league and all as sub. those two players should be keeping shelvey and sterling on the bench but they are non existent so we are forced to play 20,18 and 17 yr olds instead of them.
adding another 20 and 23 yr old in january will only give us more options but it wont improve us to the point where we can even dream of 4th.

[RED BEERGOGGLES]

I think Shelvey's influence on a game is greatly reduced when he's forced to play with Gerrard ,I believe Jonjo should be used instead of Gerrard in conjunction with either Lucas or Sahin ,under no circumstances  should he ever be allowed to play as a winger or striker .

[Kenny Kan]

the lad is only 20 and id swear half our fans expect him to be the best midfielder in the league .
we need to sign more mature players so we can bring the likes of shelvey on behind them. he has played some good games for us but like sterling and suso he has bad ones and thats to be expected because they are only fooking kids.
most players only begin to break through at 23 so id be confident enough that shelvey will turn out to be a decent player when he gets to that age.

Whether he's 20 or 28 (IMO), Shelvey will never be good enough. I don't rate the lad, simple as. He's a lower midtable prem player at best (oi oi where are we at the minute) and a Championship player at worst. Unfortunately for him, he'd be more at home and able to play better at a championship club - that's his level. Not a true LFC player imo but it does look as though Rodgers has a hard-on for him.

[red till i die!!]

I think Shelvey's influence on a game is greatly reduced when he's forced to play with Gerrard ,I believe Jonjo should be used instead of Gerrard in conjunction with either Lucas or Sahin ,under no circumstances  should he ever be allowed to play as a winger or striker .

the perfect understudy to stevie imo 
gerrard is a starter for me always but he shouldnt be immune to being subbed during a game and replaced with jonjo.

[Kenny Kan]

I think Shelvey's influence on a game is greatly reduced when he's forced to play with Gerrard ,I believe Jonjo should be used instead of Gerrard in conjunction with either Lucas or Sahin ,under no circumstances  should he ever be allowed to play as a winger or striker .

the perfect understudy to stevie imo 
gerrard is a starter for me always but he shouldnt be immune to being subbed during a game and replaced with jonjo.

Have a word with yourself.

[red till i die!!]

the lad is only 20 and id swear half our fans expect him to be the best midfielder in the league .
we need to sign more mature players so we can bring the likes of shelvey on behind them. he has played some good games for us but like sterling and suso he has bad ones and thats to be expected because they are only fooking kids.
most players only begin to break through at 23 so id be confident enough that shelvey will turn out to be a decent player when he gets to that age.

Whether he's 20 or 28 (IMO), Shelvey will never be good enough. I don't rate the lad, simple as. He's a lower midtable prem player at best (oi oi where are we at the minute) and a Championship player at worst. Unfortunately for him, he'd be more at home and able to play better at a championship club - that's his level. Not a true LFC player imo but it does look as though Rodgers has a hard-on for him.

i can see where your coming from and thats fine you dont rate him but its a bit rash saying he'l never be good enough when he's only 20.
he has come on a lot over the last year but still lacks that final touch and if he can develop that over the next 2 yrs he will be well worth his start.

[red till i die!!]

I think Shelvey's influence on a game is greatly reduced when he's forced to play with Gerrard ,I believe Jonjo should be used instead of Gerrard in conjunction with either Lucas or Sahin ,under no circumstances  should he ever be allowed to play as a winger or striker .

the perfect understudy to stevie imo 
gerrard is a starter for me always but he shouldnt be immune to being subbed during a game and replaced with jonjo.

Have a word with yourself.

lol

[Kenny Kan]

the lad is only 20 and id swear half our fans expect him to be the best midfielder in the league .
we need to sign more mature players so we can bring the likes of shelvey on behind them. he has played some good games for us but like sterling and suso he has bad ones and thats to be expected because they are only fooking kids.
most players only begin to break through at 23 so id be confident enough that shelvey will turn out to be a decent player when he gets to that age.

Whether he's 20 or 28 (IMO), Shelvey will never be good enough. I don't rate the lad, simple as. He's a lower midtable prem player at best (oi oi where are we at the minute) and a Championship player at worst. Unfortunately for him, he'd be more at home and able to play better at a championship club - that's his level. Not a true LFC player imo but it does look as though Rodgers has a hard-on for him.

i can see where your coming from and thats fine you dont rate him but its a bit rash saying he'l never be good enough when he's only 20.
he has come on a lot over the last year but still lacks that final touch and if he can develop that over the next 2 yrs he will be well worth his start.

Well, you could be right. We'll just hang around for 8 years and wait for Shelvey to explode into something he's not and in the meantime he can command a pretty regular spot through trial and error.

[RED BEERGOGGLES]

I don't believe Shelvey will ever replace Gerrard in terms of talent ,but as a player who will keep the play moving with simple incisive football then Jonjo will
adhere to Rodgers instructions implicitly if he is played in the centre of midfield . Gerrard simply doesn't ,and the sooner Rodgers realises we need a captain
who can motivate this team the better it will be for us long suffering fans . Our last two defeats were bereft of a captains performance ,quite frankly its soul
destroying to see the marked improvement in Gerrard when he's providing the same service but chasing every f*cking ball playing for the national team.

Its only Rodgers insistence on playing him for 90 mins every game and failing to replace him even when he's stinking the place out ,that's burning my head out .

[Octsky]

if rogers keep playing shelvey we will be keep getting bad results. as simple as this.
owen scored against wimbledon at 17th, fowler scored 5 goals on his league cup debut against fulham at 18th.
gerrard won the treble with us when he was 21-22, redders and macca both established themselves as vital first team players when they were in their early 20s.
shelvey young age only act as an illusion that he will be a good player in the future.
i know that some players peak late in their career, notably kevin phillips or gary mac, but these are not the players that we can afford to wait on or need right now.

[kazza]

the lad is only 20 and id swear half our fans expect him to be the best midfielder in the league .
we need to sign more mature players so we can bring the likes of shelvey on behind them. he has played some good games for us but like sterling and suso he has bad ones and thats to be expected because they are only fooking kids.
most players only begin to break through at 23 so id be confident enough that shelvey will turn out to be a decent player when he gets to that age.

Whether he's 20 or 28 (IMO), Shelvey will never be good enough. I don't rate the lad, simple as. He's a lower midtable prem player at best (oi oi where are we at the minute) and a Championship player at worst. Unfortunately for him, he'd be more at home and able to play better at a championship club - that's his level. Not a true LFC player imo but it does look as though Rodgers has a hard-on for him.

I remember you saying the same general thing about Lucas

[SouthCoastShankly]

the lad is only 20 and id swear half our fans expect him to be the best midfielder in the league .
we need to sign more mature players so we can bring the likes of shelvey on behind them. he has played some good games for us but like sterling and suso he has bad ones and thats to be expected because they are only fooking kids.
most players only begin to break through at 23 so id be confident enough that shelvey will turn out to be a decent player when he gets to that age.

Whether he's 20 or 28 (IMO), Shelvey will never be good enough. I don't rate the lad, simple as. He's a lower midtable prem player at best (oi oi where are we at the minute) and a Championship player at worst. Unfortunately for him, he'd be more at home and able to play better at a championship club - that's his level. Not a true LFC player imo but it does look as though Rodgers has a hard-on for him.

I remember you saying the same general thing about Lucas

unfortunately just another short sighted supporter who fails to grasp the reality that very few young players are world beaters from day 1.

Player development is a long term game, so many players surprise us by developing into a top notch player after years of development. Inversely how many supposed future talents dont make it? Loads.

I've seen enough from Shelvey to think there is room for development, I've also seen elements of his game that impress me. Enough to back him as a future star.

[Kenny Kan]

the lad is only 20 and id swear half our fans expect him to be the best midfielder in the league .
we need to sign more mature players so we can bring the likes of shelvey on behind them. he has played some good games for us but like sterling and suso he has bad ones and thats to be expected because they are only fooking kids.
most players only begin to break through at 23 so id be confident enough that shelvey will turn out to be a decent player when he gets to that age.

Whether he's 20 or 28 (IMO), Shelvey will never be good enough. I don't rate the lad, simple as. He's a lower midtable prem player at best (oi oi where are we at the minute) and a Championship player at worst. Unfortunately for him, he'd be more at home and able to play better at a championship club - that's his level. Not a true LFC player imo but it does look as though Rodgers has a hard-on for him.

I remember you saying the same general thing about Lucas

I don't mind being wrong though.

On the flip side, we had to wait 2-3 excruciating years for Lucas to have a good season. The same thing will happen here with Shelvey and if he's in the team anywhere near as long as Lucas was while he was finding his feet then it's going to be another excruciating watch.

It was the same with Henderson last season, he was played an awful lot and it was painful to watch.

It was the same with Downing last season, he was played an awful lot and it was painful to watch.

Age is irrelevent, whether it's Downing who's 29 or Shelvey who's 20, the quality just isn't there at the present and we wonder why we're a mid-table team.