Liverpool FC Forum

[Thommo's perm]

Luck plays little or no part in a successful team and the trick is to take
that side of the game completely out of the equasion.

Liverpool are not unlucky they are an average, mid table football team.

If your good enough you dont need luck at all and the only teams that rely
on breaks are those that have nothing else to offer.

You will see when we are good enough because the table will show it and
you wont hear a peep about the ref or bad luck at all.

Of course the mancs have had no luck at all this season and are top of the league purely on merit

[RedAnt]

Can someone please explain the difference between missing the goal by a yard and hitting the post, in my mind they are both misses and it has nothing to do with bad luck, just lack of skill.

There is no great difference. A miss is a miss, you're right about that. But to say that hitting the post is a lack of skill is completely wrong. In professional football...getting a shot on goal is dang hard work, never mind hitting the post. And we are getting shots on goal. Sometimes post, sometimes wide, sometimes in. But we're getting them. Getting shots on goal is a huuuuuuuuuuge step towards scoring goals. We're not scoring goals for many reasons. But we're creating chances. We're not conceding many. We often dominate possession. We play with passion and with fire a lot of the time. It's all there and getting better except for one thing....converting chances. If we can start converting those chances, we're gonna be k*cking some ar*e next year. We don't need to dismantle the squad, rip up the blue prints, rebuild, start again. We're already in the rebuilding process with Kenny.

Now we just need faith and patience.

[RedAnt]

HEAR HEAR ,


So carry on Kenneth Mathieson Dalglish

Few managers and thousands of supporters wouldnt mind being in your shoes walking out to 2 Wembley cup finals in there first season,

Hmm, I wonder who's on more of a high right now, Pardew or Kenny, who in your opinion has done a better job this season Nanny?[/quote]


Sorry im not a Newcastle fan so why would i consider pardew at all ,not arsed what any other manager does only interested in us but ill  Ill bet yeh he wishes he was buying a new suit and  was in 2 finals.in his first season[/quote]





Apologies, forgot about your red specs which narrow the field of vision so effectively. 
If I was Pardew I'd be more than happy reaching 4th spot in the league, having spent sod all money, now THAT is a real achievement, compared to managing a team in the league worse than Souness.[/quote]

So remind us....what has Pardrew won this season and how does it weigh against what Kenny's won, and has the chance to win? Or perhaps it's just the CL money you want rather than trophies?

[Thommo's perm]

Can someone please explain the difference between missing the goal by a yard and hitting the post, in my mind they are both misses and it has nothing to do with bad luck, just lack of skill.

There is no great difference. A miss is a miss, you're right about that. But to say that hitting the post is a lack of skill is completely wrong. In professional football...getting a shot on goal is dang hard work, never mind hitting the post. And we are getting shots on goal. Sometimes post, sometimes wide, sometimes in. But we're getting them. Getting shots on goal is a huuuuuuuuuuge step towards scoring goals. We're not scoring goals for many reasons. But we're creating chances. We're not conceding many. We often dominate possession. We play with passion and with fire a lot of the time. It's all there and getting better except for one thing....converting chances. If we can start converting those chances, we're gonna be k*cking some ar*e next year. We don't need to dismantle the squad, rip up the blue prints, rebuild, start again. We're already in the rebuilding process with Kenny.

Now we just need faith and patience.

We have faithlessness and impatience
The qualities of the modern "fan"

[NANNY RED]

HEAR HEAR ,


So carry on Kenneth Mathieson Dalglish

Few managers and thousands of supporters wouldnt mind being in your shoes walking out to 2 Wembley cup finals in there first season,

Hmm, I wonder who's on more of a high right now, Pardew or Kenny, who in your opinion has done a better job this season Nanny?

Sorry im not a Newcastle fan so why would i consider pardew at all ,not arsed what any other manager does only interested in us but ill  Ill bet yeh he wishes he was buying a new suit and  was in 2 finals.in his first season[/quote]





Apologies, forgot about your red specs which narrow the field of vision so effectively. 
If I was Pardew I'd be more than happy reaching 4th spot in the league, having spent sod all money, now THAT is a real achievement, compared to managing a team in the league worse than Souness.[/quote]

[NANNY RED]

Thats not my reply above over my sig to Heimdall i havnt sussed out gow to use his new board yet haha

this is my reply to Heimdall

Erm have Newcastle guarenteed 4th spot like , i thought there was still a couple of other teams vying for that spot an all , must be them specs im wearing , An another thing while im at it , Who is gonna remember were Newcastle come 2011-2012 season infact whos gonna remember who finished second , but they will remember who won a League cup and FA cup double , when we beat Chelsea ,

[Kharhaz]

Kenny's service to the club over the years ensures that my loyalty towards him has been earned, he's worked bloody hard for this football club, no way I'm gonna call for his head

I understand why people are on his back and it wouldn't surprise me if the Yanks pull the trigger but if the decision was mine he'd get another year at least

If the decision was mine, I would give Kenny the right to slap those who need slapping !

[RED BEERGOGGLES]

Thats not my reply above over my sig to Heimdall i havnt sussed out gow to use his new board yet haha

this is my reply to Heimdall

Erm have Newcastle guarenteed 4th spot like , i thought there was still a couple of other teams vying for that spot an all , must be them specs im wearing , An another thing while im at it , Who is gonna remember were Newcastle come 2011-2012 season infact whos gonna remember who finished second , but they will remember who won a League cup and FA cup double , when we beat Chelsea ,

This particular Scandinavian will be drinking Newcastle Brown and smoking tabs  next season ,the signs are all there .
Alan Pardew the new Mourinho apparently .

[Boxscarf]

As much as I want Kenny to remain here and become a success, in reality I just cannot see this happening, unless some serious changes are made both in terms of playing staff being brought in and sold and a change in how Kenny operates.

People can say "he's gotten us two cup finals", "we're playing good football", "we're dominating teams", "we're unfortunate" etc and while all this is true, the fact remains that this is one of our worst performances in the Premier League throughout the history of the league.

Let's study facts

April 1993 - 5th - 56 points     
April 1994 - 8th - 60 points
April 1995 - 4th - 70 points
April 1996 - 3rd - 69 points
April 1997 - 3rd - 67 points
April 1998 - 4th - 59 points
April 1999 - 9th - 47 points
April 2000 - 3rd - 66 points
April 2001 - 5th - 59 points
April 2002 - 3rd - 74 points
April 2003 - 5th - 64 points
April 2004 - 4th - 53 points
April 2005 - 5th - 55 points
April 2006 - 3rd - 79 points
April 2007 - 3rd - 67 points
April 2008 - 4th - 70 points
April 2009 - 2nd - 74 points
April 2010 - 7th - 62 points
April 2011 - 6th - 52 points
April 2012 - 8th - 46 points

£100m worth of investment and we are -6 points from last years points total.

This time last year we had just trashed Birmingham City 5-0, fast forward this year and we've just lost 1-0 to West Brom.

This time last year, our current bench warmers scored 4 of the 5 goals scored against Birmingham, a Maxi hattrick sandwiched between a Kuyt opener and a Joe Cole finale.

This season we've been clueless, the players on the pitch are clueless and when they look over at the touchline, all they see is a clueless coaching staff on the sides making hand signals and just continuing to plod along hoping somehow and somewhere our fortunes change for the better.

If Roy Hodgson was here and he won us the Carling Cup and got us to the FA Cup final, do you think he'd be spared criticism like Kenny has for our poor league form? Not on your nelly, literally every person on here would be calling for his head.

As I say I want Kenny to become a success here, but whilst we are performing well in cup competition, our league form is terrible. I'm waiting for him to make the vital changes necessary and nothing is forthcoming, then it's back to making "vows" that we'll get better etc. This is problem with our club, it's always talk, talk, talk and never walk, walk, walk! I don't care how much possession we have or how many chances we create, I care about the fact that we cannot close out matches and by being unable to do so we've lost so many points this season. It's been happening all season and Dalglish has not done anything about it. He just sits there making vows, looking at the positives. Sod the positives, we're closer to the relegation zone then we are to the top four and given the mammoth amount of investment Kenny has had that's disgusting, it cannot be acceptable and should not be acceptable.

My biggest fear with Kenny is that if he does stay, will he get more investment? If he does, do I really trust him to sign the type of player that we desperately need? Do I trust him to be able to turn things around when things aren't going well? If we're 1-0 down in a match, do I have faith that Kenny can make the changes necessary to try and get us back in the match? At this moment in time, it's a big no to all of those questions.

[red till i die!!]

As much as I want Kenny to REMAIN HERE AND BECOME A SUCCESS, in reality I just cannot see this happening, unless some serious changes are made both in terms of playing staff being brought in and sold and a change in how Kenny operates.

People can say "he's gotten us two cup finals", "we're playing good football", "we're dominating teams", "we're unfortunate" etc and while all this is true, the fact remains that this is one of our worst performances in the Premier League throughout the history of the league.

Let's study facts

April 1993 - 5th - 56 points     
April 1994 - 8th - 60 points
April 1995 - 4th - 70 points
April 1996 - 3rd - 69 points
April 1997 - 3rd - 67 points
April 1998 - 4th - 59 points
April 1999 - 9th - 47 points
April 2000 - 3rd - 66 points
April 2001 - 5th - 59 points
April 2002 - 3rd - 74 points
April 2003 - 5th - 64 points
April 2004 - 4th - 53 points
April 2005 - 5th - 55 points
April 2006 - 3rd - 79 points
April 2007 - 3rd - 67 points
April 2008 - 4th - 70 points
April 2009 - 2nd - 74 points
April 2010 - 7th - 62 points
April 2011 - 6th - 52 points
April 2012 - 8th - 46 points

£100m worth of investment and we are -6 points from last years points total.

This time last year we had just trashed Birmingham City 5-0, fast forward this year and we've just lost 1-0 to West Brom.

This time last year, our current bench warmers scored 4 of the 5 goals scored against Birmingham, a Maxi hattrick sandwiched between a Kuyt opener and a Joe Cole finale.

This season we've been clueless, the players on the pitch are clueless and when they look over at the touchline, all they see is a CLUELESS COACHING STAFF ON THE SIDES MAKING HAND SIGNALS and just continuing to plod along hoping somehow and somewhere our fortunes change for the better.

If Roy Hodgson was here and he won us the Carling Cup and got us to the FA Cup final, do you think he'd be spared criticism like Kenny has for our poor league form? Not on your nelly, literally every person on here would be calling for his head.

As I say I want Kenny to become a success here, but whilst we are performing well in cup competition, our league form is terrible. I'm waiting for him to make the vital changes necessary and nothing is forthcoming, then it's back to making "vows" that we'll get better etc. This is problem with our club, it's always talk, talk, talk and never walk, walk, walk! I don't care how much possession we have or how many chances we create, I care about the fact that we cannot close out matches and by being unable to do so we've lost so many points this season. It's been happening all season and Dalglish has not done anything about it. HE JUST SITS THERE MAKING VOWS, looking at the positives. Sod the positives, we're closer to the relegation zone then we are to the top four and given the mammoth amount of investment KENNY HAS HAD THAT'S DISGUSTING, it cannot be acceptable and should not be acceptable.

My biggest fear with Kenny is that if he does stay, will he get more investment? If he does, do I really trust him to sign the type of player that we desperately need? Do I trust him to be able to turn things around when things aren't going well? If we're 1-0 down in a match, do I have faith that Kenny can make the changes necessary to try and get us back in the match? At this moment in time, IT'S A BIG NO TO ALL OF THOSE QUESTIONS.

you confuse me
you want kenny to remain but think he is clueless and inept.you also think he cant be trusted with any more money and you have little faith in him so why do you think he should remain?.
you either support the man or you dont.

[supersub]

If Roy Hodgson was here and he won us the Carling Cup and got us to the FA Cup final, do you think he'd be spared criticism like Kenny has for our poor league form? Not on your nelly, literally every person on here would be calling for his head.

As I say I want Kenny to become a success here,

Roy Hodgson would have been given due respect that any cup winner and finalist deserve on such achievements, however Roy would not have brought this club to such a position so the question doesn't hold any validity.

I don't believe you do want Kenny to be a success...winning a cup and reaching a cup final is success and yet you appear to have dismissed this as not important......but of course 2nd 3rd or 4th in the league is orgasmic 

[babu]

Orgasmic. 

[Boxscarf]

you confuse me
you want kenny to remain but think he is clueless and inept.you also think he cant be trusted with any more money and you have little faith in him so why do you think he should remain?.
you either support the man or you dont.

It's difficult for me because Kenny is a legend of this football club, the man has given so much to the club both as a player and as a manager. I want him to be a successful manager here, but given his form this season, I am unsure whether or not that'll be the case. We can give him another season, sure thing, but what happens if we're in a worse position next season? Do we give him another season? Also a huge part me wants Benitez back, I never felt he should have left in 2010 and I have always wanted him back, even when Kenny was appointed as happy as I was, I was saddened to see that Rafa wasn't brought back into the fold.

[Boxscarf]

Supersub, Hodgson got Fulham to the UEFA Cup final.

Also, 4th, 3rd or 2nd isn't orgasmic at all, however we need Champions League football to bring in more revenue which gives us a larger platform in which to compete with those teams around the top four. If we want to become a successful team again, then we really need to be challenging for the league and the Champions League again, we won't do this by finishing mid-table and winning domestic trophies. This Eden Hazard that everyone is going mental about at the moment has been linked with a majority of Europe's top clubs, now just think if Liverpool comes in for him, but so does Real Madrid, Manchester City and Bayern Munich do you honestly think (given where we are at the moment) that Hazard will give us a second-thought? I think it's highly unlikely, because we cannot attract the type of player needed to make ourselves a much better team at the moment. Suarez is arguably a one-off, I'm sure had Madrid come in for him, he'd have gone to Madrid to play his football, not Anfield.

Signing players like Adam, Carroll, Downing and Henderson will not have us challenging for a top four spot, as shown this season. We need a much better calibre of footballer for that and I am unsure if Kenny realises this, because I can see him bringing in yet more overpriced British players in the summer.

[supersub]

Despite the west brom result I can see progress being made ... Andy Carroll is involved more and I have to tuck into a little humble pie because I was one of the first on here to give him a major thumbs down, but give him his due he has knuckled down and put the effort in to cement his place in the team... with regards to attracting big money mercenaries, I don't want that for our quick fix future; The points tally may seem a little worrying to some but I feel the only thing missing from the disasterous home draw record was a goal poacher and next season will be a different story...if we pick up a pot or two domestically then as a fan who loves to party in the capital on cup final day , then I would never down grade any trophy....with regards to Champions league...its always do able..... tottenham , arsenal, newcastle aren't in the chelsea , city league of big spenders...bit of luck, bit of tinkering , crafty signings...& Lucas for captain....anything can happen..... ....I'm forever an optimist and Kenny deserves another season just to prove to the doubting Thomas's that he is on the right track......Remember this club is here to win things..... 2nd is nothing