Liverpool FC Forum

[Octsky]

i like Kuyt, loyal servant to the club. but if it comes down to dollar and sense.
selling him for around 10m pound will be God send. blood Sterling in.

Right now we need a goal soccer, Carroll cant score, Suarez cant score, but both can create.
we cant play both in the same team right now, as we need goals,
if you need to let go one to buy a goal machine, who will it be? its a no-brainer actually.

[Benny The Noon]

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Food for thought.

The year was 1965, Manchester United won the league, Liverpool finished in 7th place after losing 15 games.

The Kopities did win the FA Cup and the manager was a certain Bill Shankly

Thank God there was no Twitter back in 1965 or Shanks would have been massacred.

Yep Bill Shankly that old fashioned manager

[Thommo's perm]

Just no

[maypaxvobiscum]

The case being :
1,if our patience is rewarded and Kenny gets the team playing consistently and subsequently  reaps the rewards .
2, if the dissenters are proved right and Liverpool constantly struggle under Dalglish culminating in his removal .

So based on the assumption we all love the club unremittingly ......WHICH SET OF FANS WOULD FEEL BETTER ?

No disrespect RBG, but that's an awfully silly question, or perhaps I misunderstood it? it definitely isn't about which set of fans are correct. We just want to see the club succeed and going by recent results (2 wins in 11 games), it's just not happening.

[Boxscarf]

So we're not going on a spending spree... but will be selling some players we bought last summer?  I can't see that approach taking us forward.

I wouldn't be too surprised if Carroll, Adam and Downing were sold.

Nobody knows what will happen in the summer, so is there any point on casting assumptions? I can see such an approach taking us forward, if you make a mistake in the transfer market then you need to rectify that mistake as soon as possible, that's what Rafa did with Keane. Yes, we lost some money on him, but it was better to rectify the mistake quickly and sensibly which is what Rafa did. I wouldn't sell Andy Carroll, but I would sell Adam that's for sure and Downing I am undecided on. However I don't particularly trust Comolli or Kenny to sell those three individuals and sign better replacements. What happens if it's just swapping like with like again? We'll be back to square one again. I'll just wait and see what happens over the course of then season before passing comment.

[Boxscarf]

I am curious to what FSG's next move will be regarding Kenny's position and funding for improved signings. Those 4 dud signings have to be replaced and if Kenny is to remain for another season, he has to, by his actions admitted his mistakes and sign better players.

Changing manager every season won't help matters, I know some short-sighted fans seem to think so, but they're wrong. Who knows what FSG will do, if I was them I'd be reluctant to invest another £100m into the club, because at this rate will end signing Joshua McClean for £30m. I kid, I kid, I kid, but who knows, hopefully Kenny is kept on and hopefully Comolli and Kenny sign a better calibre of footballer in this transfer window.

Phase out Carragher once and for all, in fact I'd be inclined to ship him out altogether. I'd bring in Coates to defence. I'd bring in a creative central midfielder, a right winger and a striker to partner Suarez, someone who can score goals on a consistent basis. We need another Torres. I'd say recall Aquilani, but it appears he's well on his way to AC Milan for a disgusting fee of just £6m. Whoever sanctioned that deal is either inept at their job or is deliberately trying to sabotage our football club. Our main problems lie in midfield and attack, get those areas sorted then we're well on way to creating a much better team.

[stmichael]

under the current demands of some fans, shankly wouldn't have lasted five minutes at this club.

[heimdall]

heimdall:
"Yes and you sound like a broken record yourself. Why don't you try taking the blinkers and rose tinted glasses off and try, just try, to think for yourself instead of following the masses, it is so liberating. Carroll is the worst striker in the league and on current form Kenny, by his results not his passion, is the worst manager.

Surely you'd prefer a manager who could win more games for us or a striker who could score more goals, if not then you are an absolute idiot, if yes then stop bitching like a girl and realise that kenny is not what's best for the club and Carroll certainly isn't."

I honestly love people like you, and Im not being sarcastic.
The irony of your post is utterly brilliant. Which "masses" am I following?
Ive no idea whether Carroll is or isnt the worst striker, as Im sure we could go through each club and see that each of their strikers have strengths and weaknesses. Dont forget Carroll is a young man who has come to a massive club with huge expectations. As long as he is learning, which he is, developing, which he is, and contributing, which he is, then I am satisfied that he will become a valuable asset to LFC.
Although KK is in charge at this disappointing phase in the season, form or not, he is not the worst manager in the league by a long shot. I believe he is best for this club at this present time and anyone who wants to swap managers after a year needs to fu'ck off and support chelsea.
Of couse I would prefer to win more games, are you really that thick that you would need to ask that question? But I tend to think long term and whats best for the future of LFC not be influenced by knobs on phone ins and ignorant hypocritical cu'nts in the media.
Or the "masses" as you call them

Well it's not really irony but I can see your point, although a £35 million striker should not need to learn and grow quite as much as Carroll does. BTW who in your opinion is a worse manager than kenny based purely on recent results? Incidentally I'm not really saying kenny is terrible, and i genuinely thank him for steadying us after the horror that was Woy and the septic's, but he is not the right man for the job and was always just meant to be here temporarily.
Now then the question of the masses, do you think more people are calling for kenny to go rather than stay because I see it the other way round.

[heimdall]

What these managers and players say in front of the cameras and behind closed doors I'm sure are totally different. I am sure Kenny knows Carroll, Adam, Henderson and Downing have been a disaster but he never admitted it in public. Hey, if fans like us know, I am 200% certain Kenny knows too. Like a politician, he has to say the 'right' things to cover his backside. How can the players be tired when we all knew right at the beginning of the season we have no European football to distract our league campaign while the Arsenal, City, Manure, Spurs, Chelsea who are all miles ahead of us in the table had. Weren't their legs tired too?

I am curious to what FSG's next move will be regarding Kenny's position and funding for improved signings. Those 4 dud signings have to be replaced and if Kenny is to remain for another season, he has to, by his actions admitted his mistakes and sign better players.

you see this is what I'm not sure about, if kenny really thinks they are as ***** as we all know they are then why play them? Just admit your mistake and blood in the talented youngsters we have and try again next season. I would have much more respect for that rather than persisting with playing lame ducks like henderson and Adam and to a certain extent carroll.

[heimdall]

under the current demands of some fans, shankly wouldn't have lasted five minutes at this club.

I completely disagree, didn't Liverpool improve every year under his management, I'm sure all fans would have been happy with that. You can't compare Daglish with Shankly the first took over a team just outside the top 4 and have taken us backwards in a season where we should have secured 4th spot with ease, the other rebuilt a team languishing in the 2nd division.

[jacdaniel]

What these managers and players say in front of the cameras and behind closed doors I'm sure are totally different. I am sure Kenny knows Carroll, Adam, Henderson and Downing have been a disaster but he never admitted it in public. Hey, if fans like us know, I am 200% certain Kenny knows too. Like a politician, he has to say the 'right' things to cover his backside. How can the players be tired when we all knew right at the beginning of the season we have no European football to distract our league campaign while the Arsenal, City, Manure, Spurs, Chelsea who are all miles ahead of us in the table had. Weren't their legs tired too?

I am curious to what FSG's next move will be regarding Kenny's position and funding for improved signings. Those 4 dud signings have to be replaced and if Kenny is to remain for another season, he has to, by his actions admitted his mistakes and sign better players.

you see this is what I'm not sure about, if kenny really thinks they are as ***** as we all know they are then why play them? Just admit your mistake and blood in the talented youngsters we have and try again next season. I would have much more respect for that rather than persisting with playing lame ducks like henderson and Adam and to a certain extent carroll.

I don't think the injuries have helped though.  We missed Gerrard at the start of the season and as soon as he was fit Lucas got Injured.  Then we had the Suarez ban and now Johnson, Bellamy and Agger all seem to be out.

Its the new signings that have remained fit and available so far.  As for young players... Hendo, Coates, and Kelly have gotten quite a few games and they're all young.  I know we all want to see Suso and Sterling but they're both very young and no Europa League has made it tougher to give them time.

Shelvey is the only player that Im really disappointed he isn't getting game time.  He's one of our only midfielders that seems to burst into the box like Gerrard

[neil]

i wonder how the poll would look if the question was "should KK voluntarily move back upstairs and allow Rafa to return" ?

[jacdaniel]

You can't compare Daglish with Shankly the first took over a team just outside the top 4 and have taken us backwards in a season where we should have secured 4th spot with ease,

That statement is just wrong.

[Benny The Noon]

under the current demands of some fans, shankly wouldn't have lasted five minutes at this club.

I completely disagree, didn't Liverpool improve every year under his management, I'm sure all fans would have been happy with that. You can't compare Daglish with Shankly the first took over a team just outside the top 4 and have taken us backwards in a season where we should have secured 4th spot with ease, the other rebuilt a team languishing in the 2nd division.

You think Daggers took over a team just outside the top 4 ??

Go do some research first before posting statements

Easily secured 4th spot That is where your problem is - your expectations are unrealistic

[stmichael]

should have secured 4th "with ease"? honestly i give up