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Reg wrote:Hey Red, I wasn't saying you're crazy, I'm saying LFC are crazy leaving it so late to buy the players we need. Freakin' crazy, the first few weeks are critical and we're up against top 4 contenders.

Didn't think you where at all Mate. Truth is I was typing that post earlier in the day and then got called away for a bit so when I got back I just finished it out and posted. Didn't even see yours till then 

I agree with you 100%

kazza wrote:https://www.transfermarkt.com/fc-liverpool/alletransfers/verein/31

I don’t know if I’m missing something but according to this we have been spending about 50 million per year (net spend).

We spent 80m on Nunez, we also bought Gakpo for 40m, Diaz for about 40m, Konate for around 40m, Szoboszlai for around 70m, Van Dyke for 75m, Mac Allister for 40m, Allison for about 70m and all these deals were done relatively quickly from my memory, or at least it wasn’t delayed due to haggling.

I think there is more to this deal taking so long other than the team being cheap. It seems that when we want a player we get the deal done. I cannot believe we are getting hung up on 5m as the history of the club says different. There must be something else going on behind the scenes. Since we bought two midfielders we lost another two unexpectedly and brought in 52m for those two, we were already looking at a DM before Fabinho left. These owners happily spend what they bring in (the whole net spend argument) and they were already looking at another midfielder so the budget must be there, and now another 52m has been added to that.

I’m not on FSG’s payroll    I’m just trying to see it without emotion.

Those figures are in euros kazza and no one is saying we haven't spent decent money on a few players here and there. Net spend is a big thing as it shows the level of investment going into the team. Klopp has had 7 summer transfer windows and 3 of them we made a profit.. The average spend per has been 35 to 40 stg a year. Some windows we spend a lot, recoup over half and spend little or nothing in the next window. It's not enough for a club of our size and ambition.

The Van Dijk transfer dragged on for the summer that year if I remember correctly before we got him in January.

We where always looking at another DM I agree but imo had absolutely no intention of paying 50 mil for lavia. I guess the intention was pick him up for half that but now Fab and Hendo forced there hand. Soton set that price very early so its not them who is haggling. Now that they did go will we now sign 2 more after lavia to bring back up the experience or rely on the youth from the academy.  I don't know if he is worth that or not either but I do know Nunez wasn't and he cost a lot more. If the budget is there or not who knows, hopefully it is but we seem awful slow wanting to spend it.

In a nutshell Mate it's no good spending good money on the odd player the odd year while neglecting other areas and always leaving the squad short. We all appreciate klopp and realise what we could achieve if he was backed that bit better. A lot of what was spent was on youth as well that didn't work out. I remember when we signed the next Van Dijk 4 years ago and yet here we are looking to sign another one. The back up for trent that we signed who was a really top talent but yet loaned him out because who knew what we had in the academy was better. He is better isn't he.

I don't think your on the FSG payroll at all Mate. Even though you do enjoy the high life    I have been a fan a long time and it's hard not to get emotionally attached when you know your chances for the season is a top 4 challenge and if it isn't then there is always the year after. I love the fact that we won the league after so long but not that it has a poxy asterisk beside it. We should have another one at least with Klopp and would have imo if he was backed that bit better for then rather than the future where we are still doing the same thing. They are not planning on leaving anytime soon so instead of looking for someone else's money why not use their own or a company owned by them. If its a sound investment for someone else then it will be for them as well. Much better owners out there and we can do a lot better.

When the window closes and we know what squad we're working with until January then we can really get an idea if we messed it up or did a good job. We don't really know the ins and outs of what's going on behind the scenes and are just feeding off speculation. But this is my read.

Replaced Firmino with Gakpo 6 months early.

Replaced Keita and Ox with Mac and Dom before pre season started.

Bradley returning from loan replaced Ramsay.

Doak takes Carvalho's game time which was mostly in attack.

Bajčetić who most fans hadn't even heard of this time last year replaces Milner.

Anyone genuinely suggesting we need to replace Arthur need a lie down.

We need 2 midfielders to replace Fabinho and Henderson. Their exits came out of the blue with us only knowing in June/July that there was interest and they wanted to move on. But it's a bit disappointing that we weren't further ahead with replacements for them before we actually let them leave as both transfers dragged on for a while due to the buercacy involved with doing deals with the Saudi league. We really should have at least one if not both replacement in before the season kicked-off. But we don't really know what's going on behind the scenes and are just feeding of media and Twitter speculation. I'm guessing we get Lavia done for a guaranteed £40-45m will add-ons potentially taking it up to £50m. I don't think we'll get another specialist 6 in after Lavia. Klopp's not a fan of too many specialists. I think we'll go for a 6/8. Sounds like there was concrete interest and talks with Ryan Gravenberch last year while were holding out for Tchouameni so I'd think there is a pretty good chance we'll try to bring him in if it's workable. Although we'd have to wait and see if Bayern can bring in a midfielder first. The other 6/8 I think we might be looking at his Manu Kone. He got injured playing for France U21 in June but should be back sometime in August. Once he's recovered we might make a move.

I know people have convinced themselves, or have been convinced by journalists, that we're going to get a CB, but personally I have my doubts if Klopp will go for one unless he can move Matip on.

So it might look a little like this:


                                   Alisson
                                  Kelleher
                              Adrian/Pitaluga



Trent               Konate               van Djik               Robertson
Bradley             Matip                 Gomez                 Tsimikas
                                                Quansah



     Mac Allister               Lavia               Szoboszlai
        Elliott                     Kone                  Jones
         Clark                   Bajcetic               Thiago



             Salah               Gakpo               Diaz
             Doak                Nunez               Jota

Athletic reporting Chelsea have bid £48m for Lavia.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/20 ... dding-war/

Chelsea in for Romeo Lavia to set up bidding war with Liverpool

West Londoners enter race to sign 19-year-old midfielder with £48 million bid with Southampton looking for £50 million

9 August 2023 • 11:31pm

Chelsea have dramatically entered the race for Southampton midfielder Romeo Lavia, making a £48 million bid with negotiations ongoing between the clubs.

Liverpool have made most of the running for the Belgium international, and saw a £45 million offer rejected earlier this week.

Southampton, who are determined to have their asking prices for players leaving St Mary’s this summer met, have not accepted or rejected the offer. They want £50 million for the ex-Manchester City midfielder and have now received the closest bid to their valuation.

Chelsea have been in the market for a defensive midfielder but have not had a breakthrough in their attempts to land Brighton’s Moises Caicedo, who the south coast club value at £100 million.

Liverpool saw a £45 million bid rejected for Lavia on Monday and have since been weighing up an increased offer for the highly rated 19-year-old.

Lavia has been the subject of three bids for him to join Jurgen Klopp’s squad ahead of the Premier League season. Their latest terms were an improvement from the £41 million offered last week and include add-ons.

Southampton have been holding out for £50 million for the player they signed from Manchester City for just £10.5 million a year ago.

Lavia is expected to move back to the Premier League after relegation to the Championship but his club have held firm on asking prices for their players including Lavia and James Ward-Prowse who is heading for West Ham in a £30 million deal.

Liverpool manager Klopp has been in the market for a midfielder after Jordan Henderson and Fabinho both  secured moves to the Saudi Pro League this summer.

Klopp earlier in the summer acknowledged it is a matter of urgency he finds a suitable replacement for Fabinho.

“We know that we have to do something there,” he said. “It is absolutely clear. We are working on solutions, I think everyone can imagine that.”

I think we already had a pretty good idea that Chelsea, Man Utd, and Arsenal, were all interested too. I wonder why it's taken until August for clubs to properly act. And if Southampton really are asking for £50m why are free spending Chelsea offering £48m? Something has been off about this whole saga from the start. Reportedly taking 3 weeks to make 3 bids and potentially losing a player over £5m isn't the way we've operated over the last 5 years or so. I think there is quite a lot here that we don't know about. It's all just a bit weird.

Eagle » Thu Aug 10, 2023 8:38 am wrote:I think we already had a pretty good idea that Chelsea, Man Utd, and Arsenal, were all interested too. I wonder why it's taken until August for clubs to properly act. And if Southampton really are asking for £50m why are free spending Chelsea offering £48m? Something has been off about this whole saga from the start. Reportedly taking 3 weeks to make 3 bids and potentially losing a player over £5m isn't the way we've operated over the last 5 years or so. I think there is quite a lot here that we don't know about. It's all just a bit weird.

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red till i die!! » Tue Aug 08, 2023 11:54 pm wrote:

kazza wrote:https://www.transfermarkt.com/fc-liverpool/alletransfers/verein/31

I don’t know if I’m missing something but according to this we have been spending about 50 million per year (net spend).

We spent 80m on Nunez, we also bought Gakpo for 40m, Diaz for about 40m, Konate for around 40m, Szoboszlai for around 70m, Van Dyke for 75m, Mac Allister for 40m, Allison for about 70m and all these deals were done relatively quickly from my memory, or at least it wasn’t delayed due to haggling.

I think there is more to this deal taking so long other than the team being cheap. It seems that when we want a player we get the deal done. I cannot believe we are getting hung up on 5m as the history of the club says different. There must be something else going on behind the scenes. Since we bought two midfielders we lost another two unexpectedly and brought in 52m for those two, we were already looking at a DM before Fabinho left. These owners happily spend what they bring in (the whole net spend argument) and they were already looking at another midfielder so the budget must be there, and now another 52m has been added to that. And it didn’t need a billion spent to do it either.

I’m not on FSG’s payroll    I’m just trying to see it without emotion.

Those figures are in euros kazza and no one is saying we haven't spent decent money on a few players here and there. Net spend is a big thing as it shows the level of investment going into the team. Klopp has had 7 summer transfer windows and 3 of them we made a profit.. The average spend per has been 35 to 40 stg a year. Some windows we spend a lot, recoup over half and spend little or nothing in the next window. It's not enough for a club of our size and ambition.

The Van Dijk transfer dragged on for the summer that year if I remember correctly before we got him in January.

We where always looking at another DM I agree but imo had absolutely no intention of paying 50 mil for lavia. I guess the intention was pick him up for half that but now Fab and Hendo forced there hand. Soton set that price very early so its not them who is haggling. Now that they did go will we now sign 2 more after lavia to bring back up the experience or rely on the youth from the academy.  I don't know if he is worth that or not either but I do know Nunez wasn't and he cost a lot more. If the budget is there or not who knows, hopefully it is but we seem awful slow wanting to spend it.

In a nutshell Mate it's no good spending good money on the odd player the odd year while neglecting other areas and always leaving the squad short. We all appreciate klopp and realise what we could achieve if he was backed that bit better. A lot of what was spent was on youth as well that didn't work out. I remember when we signed the next Van Dijk 4 years ago and yet here we are looking to sign another one. The back up for trent that we signed who was a really top talent but yet loaned him out because who knew what we had in the academy was better. He is better isn't he.

I don't think your on the FSG payroll at all Mate. Even though you do enjoy the high life    I have been a fan a long time and it's hard not to get emotionally attached when you know your chances for the season is a top 4 challenge and if it isn't then there is always the year after. I love the fact that we won the league after so long but not that it has a poxy asterisk beside it. We should have another one at least with Klopp and would have imo if he was backed that bit better for then rather than the future where we are still doing the same thing. They are not planning on leaving anytime soon so instead of looking for someone else's money why not use their own or a company owned by them. If its a sound investment for someone else then it will be for them as well. Much better owners out there and we can do a lot better.

I think more the high and low life 

I too have been a supporter for a long time and as long as I remember we were always short when it came to giving the manager what he wants. Benitez could have built a team that would have won the Prem had he just been backed more.  Brendan Rodgers was backed but spunked the money he got on average players and Klopp who has proven to be a winner and a standout manager never really got any player he wanted, at least lately. I’m actually sick of always being a little short of the team needed to compete with the money clubs. Owners have made a ton in terms of what they paid and what the team is worth now and could have spent a little more to have made us better. In Klopp and the team he built we had the potential to dominate, all we ended up doing was to push the team that did dominate. I certainly wish we had won more than we did as we were positioned to do it with just a little more investment.

Apparently we have outbid Chelsea for Caicedo. Hmmm what is going on

Liverpool outbid Chelsea for Moises Caicedo

Exclusive: Defensive midfielder has long been a transfer target for Chelsea, and has previously said he wants to move to Stamford Bridge

10 August 2023 • 11:29am

Liverpool have made a late attempt to hijack Chelsea’s move for Moises Caicedo by outbidding them for the Brighton midfielder.

Chelsea have been in pole position to sign Caicedo all summer and have had multiple bids rejected for the 21-year-old, who has made it clear that he wants to move to Stamford Bridge.

But Liverpool’s offer, which is understood to exceed Chelsea’s latest bid, could derail Chelsea’s attempts to add Caicedo to Mauricio Pochettino’s midfield.

Liverpool’s admiration for Caicedo was first reported by Telegraph Sport earlier this year but they have waited until this week to formalise that interest.

According to French publication L'Equipe, Saudi Pro League side Al Ahli have presented a €12m offer to Liverpool with hopes of signing Thiago Alcantara this summer - a claim backed up by football.london's Bobby Vincent.

The Spaniard has one year left on his deal at Anfield and is the most senior midfielder at the club at 32 years old. Alexis Mac Allister would inherit that title at 24 years of age should Thiago leave.

This smells of "you're messing with our business so we'll get involved with yours". Everything we've heard over the past few weeks is that Lavia prefers Liverpool and Caicedo prefers Chelsea.

Melissa Reddy
@MelissaReddy_
Both Liverpool and Brighton are confirming there has been no formal bid yet for Moises Caicedo, however contact between the clubs illustrate a willingness to discuss a fee and agree a deal if it's there to be done. Player's preference of destination important.

Pearce has been saying we only made contact and not lodged a bid. Brighton are doing what Southampton are doing and holding out for a figure and won't budge so going to cost 100 mil or close to it. The fact that is so late to try and get this over the line makes me believe its just deflection. Hope I'm wrong as would love to seehim here.

Think a few are looking a bit more into the Lavia deal for stuff that's not there. Southampton have to pay City a percentage of a sell on fee so are holding out for 50mil. That price was know since the window opened. We are not willing to pay that and placed 3bids that isn't acceptable for them. Put the 50milup and he signs end of.

We are doing the classic "pretend we're interested" in a player to have perfect excuses to why we've not signed a defensive midfielder when the window closes.

If we don't sign a defensive midfielder this window, then it's been a huge failure no matter who we've brought in.