One of the biggest problems with this place (from a discussion point of view) is polarization, IMO. Fair and balanced assessments of the kind generated by the likes of Scottbott, John Craig, Dundalk, Andy G, LFC2007 and several others (sorry if I missed you, you know who you are ) get overshadowed by dozens of people going to extremes. Either Rafa's a "bit dim" or, as we read above, "has well and truly f.ucked us" making us "worse than we were 5 years ago" or he can never do any wrong and every setback is down to bad fortune, blind refs, beachballs, the owners or individual players that he somehow hasn't had anything to do with buying or training. Lunacy! Of course, when the discussion gets as polarized as it has, the insults and wind-ups fly and we're party to the internet version of a shouting match. It would be a breath of fresh air if the lunatics stopped running the asylum for an hour or two on occasion and some insightful football discussion broke out.
tonyeh wrote:You should look at some other football threads, it would be an eye opener.
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if some people can't take that, then maybe newkit isn't the place for them. Or at least not the place for them to be on now.
Reg wrote:Bob theres nowt wrong with intelligent and constructive criticism, what I´m refering to is the surge of spam style anti Rafa bile thats been posted in the last few weeks which is not constructive, considered, nor entertaining. Its' swamped the forum so it defeats what you want and hope for in terms of intelligent discussion and descends into suicidal whinging which on an internet forum, achieves nothing.
My allegience is to the club and manager, not a forum that is strangling itself through the inability of members to realise when the critical 'enough' point has been reached in the moaning stakes.
Its not a question of whether its 'right or wrong' but one of if it remains this intense and negative then like in any relationship, its going to put people off and drive them away.
Bad Bob wrote:Well, I posted this in another thread but it speaks to this issue:One of the biggest problems with this place (from a discussion point of view) is polarization, IMO. Fair and balanced assessments of the kind generated by the likes of Scottbott, John Craig, Dundalk, Andy G, LFC2007 and several others (sorry if I missed you, you know who you are ) get overshadowed by dozens of people going to extremes. Either Rafa's a "bit dim" or, as we read above, "has well and truly f.ucked us" making us "worse than we were 5 years ago" or he can never do any wrong and every setback is down to bad fortune, blind refs, beachballs, the owners or individual players that he somehow hasn't had anything to do with buying or training. Lunacy! Of course, when the discussion gets as polarized as it has, the insults and wind-ups fly and we're party to the internet version of a shouting match. It would be a breath of fresh air if the lunatics stopped running the asylum for an hour or two on occasion and some insightful football discussion broke out.
So, Reg, if your point is to encourage a higher level of discussion, I couldn't agree more. We sadly need some real engagement with the issues facing the club at the moment rather than just spleen-venting or tubthumping. With that said, it seems that one or two people--your good self perhaps included mate--are of the opinion that being critical about our current situation should not get an airing on here and that's where I disagree. I think we have been on a truly awful run of form of late and I think it's simply honest to say so and to come up with some suggestions as to what's been going on. In reality, that means evaluating the manager, since the buck does indeed stop with him. I know it winds some people up to see all of this discussion about Rafa but, truthfully, he's the hot topic right now. Why would we not be talking about the manager on a Liverpool forum after a run of 6 loses in the last 8 games? It's a terrible run of form and not something that can be swept under the rug.
kazza wrote:Absolutely 100% correct, besides showing a little bias towards positivity is never a bad thing is it?
Reading "we are sh1t" is as incorrect as reading " we rule the world" but the latter is easier to swallow and does not antagonize (or shouldn't). Many get offended when they hear we are sh1t, I doubt many get offended to hear we rule the world. I use two extremes but the point is still valid. Measured critisism, well there is nothing wrong with that.
fivecups wrote:BTW, have you seen your thread titled 'How much have we really spent?'. I was trying to find it to add the BHB post and a recent Tomkins piece but couldn't locate it. There was a lot of good info about spending by LFC and other clubs.
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