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bigmick wrote:We've spent more money net than Man Utd in the same period Dav. Not sure of the gross, but it'll be close. Where's S@int when you need him

fivecups wrote:

bigmick wrote:We've spent more money net than Man Utd in the same period Dav. Not sure of the gross, but it'll be close. Where's S@int when you need him

Is S@int ok? He was posting a lot lately, then he just stopped?

bigmick wrote:

fivecups wrote:

bigmick wrote:We've spent more money net than Man Utd in the same period Dav. Not sure of the gross, but it'll be close. Where's S@int when you need him

Is S@int ok? He was posting a lot lately, then he just stopped?

I've no idea, he's not answering pm's even. He did pick up a lot of unwarranted stick over his time in the forum, and I know from experience it gets you down after a while. At least he's disproving the theory that doomer and gloomers only appear when we're losing.

The forum is much the worse off without his input though, I think even Rafa's most ardent supporters would accept that. One of if not the best poster on here IMHO.

bigmick wrote:We've spent more money net than Man Utd in the same period Dav. Not sure of the gross, but it'll be close. Where's S@int when you need him

That's because we are trying to claw back and they have their squad in place they don't need as much an injection in quality to their squad as we do.

The situation was reversed when Fergie was trying to dislodge Liverpool, infact their net spend was twice Liverpools but he still couldn't get close to Kenny. Anyway the point is it means all unless you take into consideration all the other factors in which those figures are based on.

After all it is not like Rafa was handed that total sum to spend as he pleased. Often, infact at least on an annual basis Rafa has missed out on at least 1 primary target due to funds.

The_Rock wrote:If you want to start a thread seeking justice for Benitez.... you gotta come up with more credible points.

And you want to sack the best manager in the world?

You are saying Benitez is the best manager in the world ? I don't even think Sabre would say tat.

and don't forget our best fullback since Steve Nicol, Arbaloa was devastating.

 

I don't quite share your optimism about Arbeloa but i really did think he was solid. But benitez didn't think so. Remember Benitez signed a few players on long term big deal last season (Kuyt being the prime example, along with all his assistants). But he didn't offer the same to Mascherano and Arbeloa. So Arbeloa left. And now mascherano wants to go to Barcelona. So you wanna blame the owners for this ?

bigmick wrote:

fivecups wrote:

bigmick wrote:We've spent more money net than Man Utd in the same period Dav. Not sure of the gross, but it'll be close. Where's S@int when you need him

Is S@int ok? He was posting a lot lately, then he just stopped?

I've no idea, he's not answering pm's even. He did pick up a lot of unwarranted stick over his time in the forum, and I know from experience it gets you down after a while. At least he's disproving the theory that doomer and gloomers only appear when we're losing.

The forum is much the worse off without his input though, I think even Rafa's most ardent supporters would accept that. One of if not the best poster on here IMHO.

Reg wrote:...... and Bav makes an appearence at half 11 at night. We've you been whilst some of us have been repulsing the enemy defeatist communists saying Rafa should be sacked all day ffs? 58,000 posts to his name and no where to be seen when we need him.....








Were'nt hiding under the bed were you Bav?

I've oiling my guns mate an bow I'm ready. Anti Rafa-ites you have been warned. 

Reg wrote:...... and Bav makes an appearence at half 11 at night. We've you been whilst some of us have been repulsing the enemy defeatist communists saying Rafa should be sacked all day ffs? 58,000 posts to his name and no where to be seen when we need him.....








Were'nt hiding under the bed were you Bav?

banana wrote:

heimdall wrote:

banana wrote:

Owzat wrote:I find it funny people are saying Rafa has to spend big to get quality, but does that mean players like Benayoun £5m, Arbeloa £2.6m, Reina £6m, Alonso £10.5m were pants?!?! Point being you can get quality, or at least better than Babel £11.5m, Lucas £5m, Dossena £7m without getting mugged several times a season.

Spending outside your means was doomed to fail, the problem is Rafa should have built up the squad to a standard where we could add better players for the kind of money he spends, but he added players liek N'Gog, Lucas, Degen, Voronin, Josemi, Kromkamp, Plessis, Pennant, Kyrgiakos, Cavalieri, Dossena, and changed the strikers every other summer until he managed to get Torres at a reasonable price ie he pulled out and threw back lots of minnows until he landed the big'un. Maybe the truth is he takes lots of shots at fixing a position and cover, but more than a good manager would. What next? Buy Warnock back for £17.5m.........................!?!?!?

On the one hand the signings are much maligned, but yet some refuse to point the finger at the man who signed them and cite tight budgets as an excuse, even though the squad cost well over £100m. Well we can always use the excuse of someone else having more money than us, perhaps the truth is other managers MANAGE THEIR BUDGET better than Rafa ie if they have lots they spend freely and sign top players, if they have little then they find better bargains than Rafa usually does

Unfortunately Ozwat you're wrong. May I remind you about your statements last year when you advocating selling Alonso;

Owzat:
*Alonso Post

He is as wrong about Benitez as he was about Alonso. That is the link.  ---What?

I fear that Liverpool will fall apart. It is time to attack the root causes of the problem. That is not the manager. He built a team well capable of winning everything. That team was basically built BEFORE the americans came along. The improvement last year was only because the team had been playing together for more time. We have not made any significant addition to the team for 24 months. That is a long time.

There will be no quick fix to this problem. Liverpool is buried in American debt and will be so for a long period of time.

Seriously, let go of the grudge.  You seem like a sad person with these arguments from a while ago, who the feck cares if he was wrong about Alonso?  He is arguing about stats and numbers, and you bring a pretty irrelevant issue, and a pretty lame counter argument.

Everyone knows the Americans are a major cause of the problem (in fact if they never came we could of won the league by now, but happens), but no one can say after 5 years, the 5 year plan has went well.  The spine of the team was broken last season; with the sale of Alonso.  Although it was down to player choice, Rafa did no help with man management, and we've seen that as a problem in the past.  The way I see it is, with the amount we spent, we should have a solid spine and decent bench options.  Unfortunately we don't, and after 5 years and lots of transfers you have to ask why?

I do not think we should sack rafa though, he is a top manager and no other manager could probably handle his current situation with the calm he has shown.  But I do think some could of done much better in the transfer markert