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heimdall wrote:

Lee J wrote:

heimdall wrote:BTW what do you mean Mr Big letters???

I think it kinda mean 'Mr smarty-pants with all the answers'



got it off some TV programme once

Oh OK fair enough, I thought it was some new way of telling me to feck off 

no thats still the same old way..

ya'know, 'Fek off!'

Owzat wrote:I find it funny people are saying Rafa has to spend big to get quality, but does that mean players like Benayoun £5m, Arbeloa £2.6m, Reina £6m, Alonso £10.5m were pants?!?! Point being you can get quality, or at least better than Babel £11.5m, Lucas £5m, Dossena £7m without getting mugged several times a season.

Rafa tries to spend big and comes up with overpriced purchases. I'm keen to see how close to being worth £20m Aquilani turns out to be, may take some time even if he doesn't turn out to be as injury prone as we fear he might be. Spending outside your means was doomed to fail, the problem is Rafa should have built up the squad to a standard where we could add better players for the kind of money he spends, but he added players liek N'Gog, Lucas, Degen, Voronin, Josemi, Kromkamp, Plessis, Pennant, Kyrgiakos, Cavalieri, Dossena, and changed the strikers every other summer until he managed to get Torres at a reasonable price ie he pulled out and threw back lots of minnows until he landed the big'un. Maybe the truth is he takes lots of shots at fixing a position and cover, but more than a good manager would. What next? Buy Warnock back for £17.5m.........................!?!?!?

On the one hand the signings are much maligned, but yet some refuse to point the finger at the man who signed them and cite tight budgets as an excuse, even though the squad cost well over £100m. Well we can always use the excuse of someone else having more money than us, perhaps the truth is other managers MANAGE THEIR BUDGET better than Rafa ie if they have lots they spend freely and sign top players, if they have little then they find better bargains than Rafa usually does

banana wrote:

Owzat wrote:I find it funny people are saying Rafa has to spend big to get quality, but does that mean players like Benayoun £5m, Arbeloa £2.6m, Reina £6m, Alonso £10.5m were pants?!?! Point being you can get quality, or at least better than Babel £11.5m, Lucas £5m, Dossena £7m without getting mugged several times a season.

Rafa tries to spend big and comes up with overpriced purchases. I'm keen to see how close to being worth £20m Aquilani turns out to be, may take some time even if he doesn't turn out to be as injury prone as we fear he might be. Spending outside your means was doomed to fail, the problem is Rafa should have built up the squad to a standard where we could add better players for the kind of money he spends, but he added players liek N'Gog, Lucas, Degen, Voronin, Josemi, Kromkamp, Plessis, Pennant, Kyrgiakos, Cavalieri, Dossena, and changed the strikers every other summer until he managed to get Torres at a reasonable price ie he pulled out and threw back lots of minnows until he landed the big'un. Maybe the truth is he takes lots of shots at fixing a position and cover, but more than a good manager would. What next? Buy Warnock back for £17.5m.........................!?!?!?

On the one hand the signings are much maligned, but yet some refuse to point the finger at the man who signed them and cite tight budgets as an excuse, even though the squad cost well over £100m. Well we can always use the excuse of someone else having more money than us, perhaps the truth is other managers MANAGE THEIR BUDGET better than Rafa ie if they have lots they spend freely and sign top players, if they have little then they find better bargains than Rafa usually does

Unfortunately Ozwat you're wrong. May I remind you about your statements last year when you advocating selling Alonso;

Owzat:
One of our best ten players, doesn't necessarily make him irreplacable and money can always be handy. We can cope without him, we did earlier in the season and now we have Mascherano it makes Alonso less pivotal.

Point? People use expressions like "one of the best" or "world class" etc without much meaning. I'm "one of the best" posters on this forum, could mean anything. I might be in the top ten, top 100, top 1000 or kidding myself (I don't care, it's just an example) When you think about a comment using that phrase you normally find it is too ambiguous or rubbish, I reckon there are at least half a dozen more important players and in a squad of 24 then outside or just outside the top 25% isn't exactly massive. Top three players or top 10% would be impressive, but Torres and Gerrard hold the top two slots and I doubt Alonso would come in third in many people's voting

heimdall wrote:

banana wrote:

Owzat wrote:I find it funny people are saying Rafa has to spend big to get quality, but does that mean players like Benayoun £5m, Arbeloa £2.6m, Reina £6m, Alonso £10.5m were pants?!?! Point being you can get quality, or at least better than Babel £11.5m, Lucas £5m, Dossena £7m without getting mugged several times a season.

Rafa tries to spend big and comes up with overpriced purchases. I'm keen to see how close to being worth £20m Aquilani turns out to be, may take some time even if he doesn't turn out to be as injury prone as we fear he might be. Spending outside your means was doomed to fail, the problem is Rafa should have built up the squad to a standard where we could add better players for the kind of money he spends, but he added players liek N'Gog, Lucas, Degen, Voronin, Josemi, Kromkamp, Plessis, Pennant, Kyrgiakos, Cavalieri, Dossena, and changed the strikers every other summer until he managed to get Torres at a reasonable price ie he pulled out and threw back lots of minnows until he landed the big'un. Maybe the truth is he takes lots of shots at fixing a position and cover, but more than a good manager would. What next? Buy Warnock back for £17.5m.........................!?!?!?

On the one hand the signings are much maligned, but yet some refuse to point the finger at the man who signed them and cite tight budgets as an excuse, even though the squad cost well over £100m. Well we can always use the excuse of someone else having more money than us, perhaps the truth is other managers MANAGE THEIR BUDGET better than Rafa ie if they have lots they spend freely and sign top players, if they have little then they find better bargains than Rafa usually does

Unfortunately Ozwat you're wrong. May I remind you about your statements last year when you advocating selling Alonso;

Owzat:
One of our best ten players, doesn't necessarily make him irreplacable and money can always be handy. We can cope without him, we did earlier in the season and now we have Mascherano it makes Alonso less pivotal.

Point? People use expressions like "one of the best" or "world class" etc without much meaning. I'm "one of the best" posters on this forum, could mean anything. I might be in the top ten, top 100, top 1000 or kidding myself (I don't care, it's just an example) When you think about a comment using that phrase you normally find it is too ambiguous or rubbish, I reckon there are at least half a dozen more important players and in a squad of 24 then outside or just outside the top 25% isn't exactly massive. Top three players or top 10% would be impressive, but Torres and Gerrard hold the top two slots and I doubt Alonso would come in third in many people's voting

Am i missing some subtle link here, what the hell does the importance of Alonso tot he team have to do with Owzat's post about Rafa's poor budget signings??

banana wrote:I have been waiting for this to unfold. This was always going to happen after the Leveraged Buy Out performed by the Americans. You fools are targeting the wrong people. Not even the Great Bill Shankly could have operated under these conditions. The situation is dire. And you want to sack the best manager in the world? Talking about not understanding the root causes of the problem we face. What i fear most is loosing even more of the fantastic staff and squad we had last year. Loosing Alonso, and don't forget our best fullback since Steve Nicol, Arbaloa was devastating. We had a brilliant first 11 and our strenght was in the middle controlling games and putting pressure on our opponents all over the pitch for 90 minutes. We had a good scoring midfielder and a good ball winner. We had a playmaker and a fantastic striker. This should have been added to. Not blown apart. You fools should now this by now. Things won't improve if you force Benitez out. Making the same mistake that Newcastle made last season when they tragically forced Big Sam to leave the ship. Well they paid the price in the end didn't they? Anyone thinking they could have survived if they kept Sam?

I remember all to well the Barry transfer saga. I tried to reason with you back then. Tried to make you understand. I got slated. Lets have a recap of the month of may 2008;

Banana said;
Replacing him with Barry or any other player is a big risk. We have the best midfield in the world. Lets keep it that way.

As a footballer Alonso is among the 5 best midfielders I have seen at Liverpool since the early 1980's.

I rate him alongside Steve McMahon, Ray Houghton, a young Ronnie Whelan and Graeme Souness.

Selling him would be a big gamble and almost unbelievable. People say Alonso hasn't been this or that lately. I think that is . The reason he stood out so clearly in the first season or so was only because the rest of the players around him was . Now we don't need Xabi to be everywhere and touch the ball all the time as we have a much better and more capable squad. So that changes things completely. I say this; SELLING XABI IS A MISTAKE FORCED UPON BENITEZ BY THE AMERICANS

They have no transfer money for him and he must sell his most valuable players to survive.

My prediction is that if we swap Barry for Alonso we will suffer big time.

I look forward to talking about this in 8 months time if Alonso is swapped for Bary. Just as I doubted both Morientes and Kuyt, I do indeed doubt Barry.

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Boy did I get slaughtered by saying this. And when I tried to say that Arbeloa was our bast fullback since Nicol I got the same beating. Well now you take notice. I guess it is right saying that you don't know what you got until it's gone?

Liverpool has just started to drop. The drop will be painful There is no medicine against this. We are out of Europe, out of the league.

We will not rise until the boardroom is cleansed of the virus and parasites residing there. You all know this to be truth.

Attacking Benitez for buying Aquilani. WTF? A fit Aquilani,or similar quality, is way out of our League. We were lucky to get him in the bargain basement. Same as Macherano. You all want Benitez to beat Man U, Chealsea, Arsenal with half their funds, with an old outdated stadium? Hello, this is the world calling.

Now it is time to make a stand and be counted for.

DAV wrote:just a quick response. When fergie leaves man utd. Will no one want that job because of their debt which is alot more than ours? ? And their idiot of an owner?