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Fowler_E7 wrote:

Emerald Red wrote:Rafa's three big money signs are as follows:

Masherano: 18 million - instant success
Torres - 18.7 million - instant success
Glen Johnson - 18 million - instant success

dont Robbie Keane at £20m and Ryab Babel at £10.5m count as big money signings?

Emerald Red wrote:

Fowler_E7 wrote:

Emerald Red wrote:Rafa's three big money signs are as follows:

Masherano: 18 million - instant success
Torres - 18.7 million - instant success
Glen Johnson - 18 million - instant success

dont Robbie Keane at £20m and Ryab Babel at £10.5m count as big money signings?

Keane was shipped out almost immediatly, and there is a bit of a debate over how and why he actually cost that much. Rick Parry. Need I say more? And Babel for 11 million? Na, that's fairly bog standard in todays market for a highly touted youngster in an international set-up. Hardly big money. Ten years ago and you'd have a case.

Fowler_E7 wrote:

Emerald Red wrote:

Fowler_E7 wrote:

Emerald Red wrote:Rafa's three big money signs are as follows:

Masherano: 18 million - instant success
Torres - 18.7 million - instant success
Glen Johnson - 18 million - instant success

dont Robbie Keane at £20m and Ryab Babel at £10.5m count as big money signings?

Keane was shipped out almost immediatly, and there is a bit of a debate over how and why he actually cost that much. Rick Parry. Need I say more? And Babel for 11 million? Na, that's fairly bog standard in todays market for a highly touted youngster in an international set-up. Hardly big money. Ten years ago and you'd have a case.

£11m is still a more than reasonable amount of money to by a half decent player, i tell u what we wouldnt mind having that minscule amount of money back right now for someone half decent.

Number 9 wrote:

GYBS wrote:Keane was a big money flop but 10 mil for babel is not really seen as big money these days

Fuc'king £1million for Babel is mega bucks!

PMSL

Emerald Red wrote:

Fowler_E7 wrote:

Emerald Red wrote:

Fowler_E7 wrote:

Emerald Red wrote:Rafa's three big money signs are as follows:

Masherano: 18 million - instant success
Torres - 18.7 million - instant success
Glen Johnson - 18 million - instant success

dont Robbie Keane at £20m and Ryab Babel at £10.5m count as big money signings?

Keane was shipped out almost immediatly, and there is a bit of a debate over how and why he actually cost that much. Rick Parry. Need I say more? And Babel for 11 million? Na, that's fairly bog standard in todays market for a highly touted youngster in an international set-up. Hardly big money. Ten years ago and you'd have a case.

£11m is still a more than reasonable amount of money to by a half decent player, i tell u what we wouldnt mind having that minscule amount of money back right now for someone half decent.

It's not exactly as if Babel is a sh*te player. He's far from it. The fact that he's been a bench player over the past while has obviously drilled it into his head that he knows that he doesn't have to do f*ck all and still get a wage. Personally, I'd have him flogged ages ago for being a lazy b"stard, but when you've a thin squad and knowing that a quality replacement is going to cost at least 20 mill, then what to do?

Emerald Red wrote:

Fowler_E7 wrote:

Emerald Red wrote:

Fowler_E7 wrote:

Emerald Red wrote:Rafa's three big money signs are as follows:

Masherano: 18 million - instant success
Torres - 18.7 million - instant success
Glen Johnson - 18 million - instant success

dont Robbie Keane at £20m and Ryab Babel at £10.5m count as big money signings?

Keane was shipped out almost immediatly, and there is a bit of a debate over how and why he actually cost that much. Rick Parry. Need I say more? And Babel for 11 million? Na, that's fairly bog standard in todays market for a highly touted youngster in an international set-up. Hardly big money. Ten years ago and you'd have a case.

£11m is still a more than reasonable amount of money to by a half decent player, i tell u what we wouldnt mind having that minscule amount of money back right now for someone half decent.

It's not exactly as if Babel is a sh*te player. He's far from it. The fact that he's been a bench player over the past while has obviously drilled it into his head that he knows that he doesn't have to do f*ck all and still get a wage. Personally, I'd have him flogged ages ago for being a lazy b"stard, but when you've a thin squad and knowing that a quality replacement is going to cost at least 20 mill, then what to do?

He has been on the bench a lot but he is not worthy of a place in our first team...so what to expect?
When he does come on he contributes virtually nothing...then he goes and does raps about being Maradonna!

Heres a thought...LFC pay you thousands of pounds every week Mister Babel,instead of making cringeworthy raps about how good you are why not set the "music" aside for a while and try a bit harder to actually be a footballer?

He strikes me as the type of guy that thinks because we bought him he is a fuc'king star...."Im a Liverpool player Im great"....I just dont get the lad atal!
It seems wearing the shirt for him is enough and his life is complete...people talk of his potential??
The only potential I can see right now is him being sold for about £3 million to some fuc'king team that aspires to win the UEFA cup and will probably fail!

LFC2007 wrote:

kazza wrote:Lucas - Silly tackle, unfortunate for the og. Was he our worst player? No. Will he get the blame? Yes. Aside from those mistakes highlighted, he didn't really do a lot wrong. He linked up the play quite well and could have been quicker with his distribution but that could have been levelled at the rest of the team also. Prior to his substitution, he was linking the play and getting into the box to try and get on the end of crosses. When substituted at 1-3 down, Gerrard took his place. Gerrard last night, shows why he shouldn't play in central midfield for us. He was back taking the ball from the defence, not where he should be linking play and causing havoc further forward. We were 1-3 down and Gerrard was encamped in the centre circle with the ball ahead of him. Not good.

Other than failing to perform a tenth of the tasks required of a midfielder at this level, he didn't do a lot wrong. That's become the customary analysis of his game. The fact is, more often than not, the midfield is the busiest area of the pitch - that translates into 'important area of the pitch' and at this level you can't get away with simply 'not doing a lot wrong'. You could get me on that pitch and I could quite successfully fulfil that profile. Don't touch the ball very often and give it five yards when you do.

He was poor, as were the rest of the midfield, I really struggle to find a reasonable argument against that. Kuyt, Benayoun, Masch, Lucas were all ineffectual in an attacking capacity. Stray passing, off-the-ball movement that was often the exact opposite of 'complementary'. Beyanoun inside when he should be showing for it wide to make the option for Insua - result, ball into box, headed away and start again. Kuyt, receiving it simple and playing it straight into the central area that was heavily congested. Masch, shooting from 30, 40 yards to absolutely no effect, and playing balls into feet that are slow, straight and very easy to defend against. Not good enough, not by a long stretch.

This lack of outright ability in the midfield is one reason we didn't see Johnson and Insua offering the option out wide as often as we needed them. If it broke down by virtue of said deficiencies it's a dangerous game as a full back positioning yourself 10 yards ahead of Young and Agbonlahor respectively. They were always mindful of that and you could see that in their play - Johnson found that balance very well and that's why he was our best performer. On a couple of occasions Villa did in fact expose us down the outside only for Johnson to make crucial interceptions. It all stemmed from our dodgy midfield, that's the area that failed to function properly, causing us all sorts of problems in attack and defense.

Fowler_E7 wrote:

Emerald Red wrote:

Fowler_E7 wrote:

Emerald Red wrote:

Fowler_E7 wrote:

Emerald Red wrote:Rafa's three big money signs are as follows:

Masherano: 18 million - instant success
Torres - 18.7 million - instant success
Glen Johnson - 18 million - instant success

dont Robbie Keane at £20m and Ryab Babel at £10.5m count as big money signings?

Keane was shipped out almost immediatly, and there is a bit of a debate over how and why he actually cost that much. Rick Parry. Need I say more? And Babel for 11 million? Na, that's fairly bog standard in todays market for a highly touted youngster in an international set-up. Hardly big money. Ten years ago and you'd have a case.

£11m is still a more than reasonable amount of money to by a half decent player, i tell u what we wouldnt mind having that minscule amount of money back right now for someone half decent.

It's not exactly as if Babel is a sh*te player. He's far from it. The fact that he's been a bench player over the past while has obviously drilled it into his head that he knows that he doesn't have to do f*ck all and still get a wage. Personally, I'd have him flogged ages ago for being a lazy b"stard, but when you've a thin squad and knowing that a quality replacement is going to cost at least 20 mill, then what to do?

Well thats the problem we have now isnt it were stuck with all the dross that we have collected over the years because nobody wants them. The likes of Babel, Dossena, Voronin, Degen, Lucas and N'gog will have to play apart beacuse we have no one else and i cant afford to replace them. Lets just hope that are first team stay fit because the replacements are hopeless.

LFC2007 wrote:

kazza wrote:Lucas - Silly tackle, unfortunate for the og. Was he our worst player? No. Will he get the blame? Yes. Aside from those mistakes highlighted, he didn't really do a lot wrong. He linked up the play quite well and could have been quicker with his distribution but that could have been levelled at the rest of the team also. Prior to his substitution, he was linking the play and getting into the box to try and get on the end of crosses. When substituted at 1-3 down, Gerrard took his place. Gerrard last night, shows why he shouldn't play in central midfield for us. He was back taking the ball from the defence, not where he should be linking play and causing havoc further forward. We were 1-3 down and Gerrard was encamped in the centre circle with the ball ahead of him. Not good.

Other than failing to perform a tenth of the tasks required of a midfielder at this level, he didn't do a lot wrong. That's become the customary analysis of his game. The fact is, more often than not, the midfield is the busiest area of the pitch - that translates into 'important area of the pitch' and at this level you can't get away with simply 'not doing a lot wrong'. You could get me on that pitch and I could quite successfully fulfil that profile. Don't touch the ball very often and give it five yards when you do.

He was poor, as were the rest of the midfield, I really struggle to find a reasonable argument against that. Kuyt, Benayoun, Masch, Lucas were all ineffectual in an attacking capacity. Stray passing, off-the-ball movement that was often the exact opposite of 'complementary'. Beyanoun inside when he should be showing for it wide to make the option for Insua - result, ball into box, headed away and start again. Kuyt, receiving it simple and playing it straight into the central area that was heavily congested. Masch, shooting from 30, 40 yards to absolutely no effect, and playing balls into feet that are slow, straight and very easy to defend against. Not good enough, not by a long stretch.

This lack of outright ability in the midfield is one reason we didn't see Johnson and Insua offering the option out wide as often as we needed them. If it broke down by virtue of said deficiencies it's a dangerous game as a full back positioning yourself 10 yards ahead of Young and Agbonlahor respectively. They were always mindful of that and you could see that in their play - Johnson found that balance very well and that's why he was our best performer. On a couple of occasions Villa did in fact expose us down the outside only for Johnson to make crucial interceptions. It all stemmed from our dodgy midfield, that's the area that failed to function properly, causing us all sorts of problems in attack and defense.

bavlondon wrote:It's only 3 games in now so we can all sit back and hope we turn things around. But what happens if it gets to the end of September and we are 13 points of the pace? I hope the alarm bells are ringing for everyone. Im hoping we still sign someone before the window shuts.

stop starting match threads mate 

Emerald Red wrote:

Fowler_E7 wrote:

Emerald Red wrote:

Fowler_E7 wrote:

Emerald Red wrote:

Fowler_E7 wrote:

Emerald Red wrote:Rafa's three big money signs are as follows:

Masherano: 18 million - instant success
Torres - 18.7 million - instant success
Glen Johnson - 18 million - instant success

dont Robbie Keane at £20m and Ryab Babel at £10.5m count as big money signings?

Keane was shipped out almost immediatly, and there is a bit of a debate over how and why he actually cost that much. Rick Parry. Need I say more? And Babel for 11 million? Na, that's fairly bog standard in todays market for a highly touted youngster in an international set-up. Hardly big money. Ten years ago and you'd have a case.

£11m is still a more than reasonable amount of money to by a half decent player, i tell u what we wouldnt mind having that minscule amount of money back right now for someone half decent.

It's not exactly as if Babel is a sh*te player. He's far from it. The fact that he's been a bench player over the past while has obviously drilled it into his head that he knows that he doesn't have to do f*ck all and still get a wage. Personally, I'd have him flogged ages ago for being a lazy b"stard, but when you've a thin squad and knowing that a quality replacement is going to cost at least 20 mill, then what to do?

Well thats the problem we have now isnt it were stuck with all the dross that we have collected over the years because nobody wants them. The likes of Babel, Dossena, Voronin, Degen, Lucas and N'gog will have to play apart beacuse we have no one else and i cant afford to replace them. Lets just hope that are first team stay fit because the replacements are hopeless.

I wouldn't say no one wants them. I'm pretty sure that Babel would exit us for the same fee that he came for. The problem is, that it's not really a viable option to let him go for 11 million or slightly less when who are we going to bring in to fill that gap in the squad? When Babel was brought in, he had the gift, but not the desire. Unfortunately it happens, as United fans will testify when mentioning 30 millions pounds worth of Berbatoss. He's got the gift, but is a lazy kunt. Babel's problem is purely ego related. Just listen to the boys raps. Or better still, don't.

Now, when you look at our other "dross" we're stuck with, we have Voronin on a free, and N'gog on what might as well be on a free also. Should Rafa offload these two? Absolutely. Does he want to? I'm sure he would if he could, but he probably can't afford to, as again we don't have the means to replace these players with better quality because maybe we're skint?

In either case, I stand by what I said that we still have a good enough team to challenge this season again. It will click sooner or later, but it has to happen soon before we're out of it. Plenty of twists and turns yet left in this season that's only just started. We only have, oh, over 100 points to play for still?

dawson99 wrote:

Sir Roger wrote:Forget zonal marking
While we still have Lucas, Voronin and Babel playing we have bigger problems

those 3 lost us the games we lost?
I thought it was pi$$ poor defending and no midfield and a lot of things, i think more or less the whole team, not bit part players?

but lets just blame the same 3.. and the yanks every time we play bad, much simpler

I didnt say those 3 lost us the games
They should be helping us win them but they wont because basically theyre not good enough (I was going to say but I wont)