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by **Bammo** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 2:17 pm

Festy wrote:Lucas is a proven shit.

How is it proven?

Fair enough, he hasn't set the world alight but he's hardly been a disaster. He's made a few costly mistakes but so have Mascherano, Benayoun, Aurelio and those are just the first that come to mind.

If you look at stats on sites like the Guardian chalkboards it's surprising to see how much he does for the team. his pass completion rate is comparable to Alonso and Masch.

I think if he was allowed to be more attacking than Xabi is then he'd actually be a decent player for us. (I'm not saying replace Xabi with him before anyone starts!) When we first bought him he had the reputation of a box-to-box midfielder a la Gerrard. That's not the role he's played for us though.

by **p_i_n_g_u** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 3:18 pm

Dundalk wrote:We are in for Ashley Young but Villa are looking for 30 million

A nice piece of business would be getting Ashley Young and ditching Ryan Babel. Young's already showing the sort of quality that Benitez expected of Babel..but Babel will never be good enough. Offer Aston Villa 15mil plus RB and that would do nicely.

by **maguskwt** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 3:19 pm

Bammo wrote:
Festy wrote:Lucas is a proven shit.

How is it proven?

Fair enough, he hasn't set the world alight but he's hardly been a disaster. He's made a few costly mistakes but so have Mascherano, Benayoun, Aurelio and those are just the first that come to mind.

If you look at stats on sites like the Guardian chalkboards it's surprising to see how much he does for the team. his pass completion rate is comparable to Alonso and Masch.

I think if he was allowed to be more attacking than Xabi is then he'd actually be a decent player for us. (I'm not saying replace Xabi with him before anyone starts!) When we first bought him he had the reputation of a box-to-box midfielder a la Gerrard. That's not the role he's played for us though.

Lucas was clearly the worst player last season... stats? Stats don't tell what you're really seeing... he was like a passenger... his passes were safe passes that did nothing...

by **Bammo** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 3:45 pm

maguskwt wrote:Lucas was clearly the worst player last season... stats? Stats don't tell what you're really seeing... he was like a passenger... his passes were safe passes that did nothing...

Really?

Stats you may need to read

In case you can't be bothered reading them, Lucas had 3 assists last season. Alonso only had 5 so Lucas is hardly :censored:

, especially as he had less playing time.

This is like the Kuyt thing all over again. Unless Lucas clears off the line, runs the entire length of the pitch then scores an overhead kick into the top corner he's automatically :censored:

.

Stats may not tell everything you see but perhaps you should take a closer look at both stats and what he does on the pitch so you don't talk complete rubbish. By all means be constructively critical of him but dismissing everything good he's done just because you don't like him is a bit sad really.

by **dawson99** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 5:27 pm

not us but MASSIVE rumours about Villa going to manure doing the rounds

by **ken_job** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 5:34 pm

Bammo, I suggested in another thread that Scott Parkers arrival could pave the way for letting Lucas out on loan with another premiership club, one of recently promoted ones where he'd get 30 starts this season. Then we could really see him settle in and find a rhythm, alllowing us to see the real Lucas Leiva?

Any thoughts - would you rather see him here with us as a bit part player again next season? A loan could be very beneficial for all involved?

by **Toffeehater** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 5:38 pm

maguskwt wrote:
Bammo wrote:
Festy wrote:Lucas is a proven shit.

How is it proven?

Fair enough, he hasn't set the world alight but he's hardly been a disaster. He's made a few costly mistakes but so have Mascherano, Benayoun, Aurelio and those are just the first that come to mind.

If you look at stats on sites like the Guardian chalkboards it's surprising to see how much he does for the team. his pass completion rate is comparable to Alonso and Masch.

I think if he was allowed to be more attacking than Xabi is then he'd actually be a decent player for us. (I'm not saying replace Xabi with him before anyone starts!) When we first bought him he had the reputation of a box-to-box midfielder a la Gerrard. That's not the role he's played for us though.

Lucas was clearly the worst player last season... stats? Stats don't tell what you're really seeing... he was like a passenger... his passes were safe passes that did nothing...

by **Toffeehater** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 5:38 pm

As for young being worth 30 million MON can :censored:

off ,we should have signed him from watford when he was worth 8 million

by **account deleted by request** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 5:40 pm

Whether Alonso stays or goes I expect Lucas will play a much more prominent role this season. I really think this could be his breakthrough season....... either that or he fails miserably and is quickly moved on!

by ***_Ruthless_*** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 5:43 pm

Lucas cost us alot of games last season due to mistakes and not being effective against lower sides in the league, How anyone can still defend him being good enough for the club is beyond me.
Stats prove nothing he plays more square balls then bloody David Batty for christ sake.

As for Ashley Young he would be a great signing ... A REAL winger which we have lacked for years that can create good crosses. £30m price tag is a joke though, I wouldn't pay over £20m at a Push £18m+ Babel.

by **dawson99** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 5:52 pm

you wouldnt pay over 20 but 18 plus Babel is fine?

young is overated, no thanks

by **account deleted by request** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 5:59 pm

*_Ruthless_* wrote:Lucas cost us alot of games last season due to mistakes and not being effective against lower sides in the league, How anyone can still defend him being good enough for the club is beyond me.
Stats prove nothing he plays more square balls then bloody David Batty for christ sake.

As for Ashley Young he would be a great signing ... A REAL winger which we have lacked for years that can create good crosses. £30m price tag is a joke though, I wouldn't pay over £20m at a Push £18m+ Babel.

I am not sure how you can say Lucas cost us a lot of games last season ? As far as I am aware we have never lost a league game in which Lucas has started. (I may be wrong)

IMO Lucas plays much better with Masch than with Alonso, and that could be one of the reasons he was a little less successful last season, as Alonso had a great season and obviously played in most games.

Lucas was arguably m.o.m against Newcastle (paired with Masch) and again had a very good game against the mancs (paired with Masch)

Admittedly Lucas did cost us some points against Wigan but I think its a little early to be writing him off just yet.

He really needs to stop giving away silly fouls and start being a little more positive in his play though.

by **Bammo** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 7:03 pm

Masch cost us points against arsenal, Benayoun cost us points against Everton. It happens to almost every player.

Lucas needs to play a decent number of games next season. if that's not with us and we get decent cover then I'd let him go on loan to a Premiership club. I can't see Rafa doing that though as he only loans out players he doesn't really rate.

by **ElNino9** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 7:04 pm

Festy wrote:That Aquilani lad looks good on youtube.

Titus Bramble looks good on youtube!

by **whylongball?** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 11:17 pm

Quote (maguskwt @ July 19 2009,15:19)
Lucas was clearly the worst player last season... stats? Stats don't tell what you're really seeing... he was like a passenger... his passes were safe passes that did nothing...

I thought he improved quite alot compared to the previous season. AND he wasnt the best but definitely not shiit at all. Had some bad games but some very good. Lucas is only 22 and should improve even more. I noticed he put on some muscle, that should help

s@int Posted on July 20 2009,01:59
He really needs to stop giving away silly fouls and start being a little more positive in his play though.

i want to see those improvements as well the some of runs he made, not bad at all

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