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by **mistyred** » Mon May 18, 2009 1:39 pm

I hate Anderson the smug little k'unt, he has a face you would
love to toe punt.

by **GYBS** » Mon May 18, 2009 1:43 pm

Heimdall mentioned GREAT midfielders sat on the bench for chelsea and man utd - are any of them great ?!??

Has anderson really performed better than lucas this season ? Even going back to the olympics last year lucas was better than anderson during that campaign ?

Anderson for an attacking midfielder has yet to even score a goal for Manure ?

Nani ? has hardly featured for them this season - they play park before . NAni reminds me of babel - lots and lots of ability but doesnt put it on the pitch .

Talent wise they both maybe be better than Lucas but have they actually performed any better than Lucas over the season ? IMO they havent from what i have seen .

And Obi Mikel ?? what do people see in him ? he cant pass , awful tackler , seems a very ordinary footballer .

by **tubby** » Mon May 18, 2009 1:50 pm

GYBS you can argue it one way or another but the fact is they have won the league becasue they have a stronger squad overall. I don't watch Anderson in detail week in week out but I do know that when these types of players come into the first team the team still gets the results. Can you honestly say that overall for Lucas when he has played for us? In some cases he single handedly lost us points.

Also not that I am condoning this behavious but you have to remember Lucas was booed at HOME. You would have to put in a fair few poor performances for fans to boo you let alone Liverpool fans whome are not at all renowned for booing their own players.

Before xmas I would have said Lucas is possibly the worst Liverpool player I had seen in a few years. Now id say he isn't the worst i've seen but if we can sell him Rafa should. He only games in which he has played well have been mostly against some of the worst sides in the league.

by **GYBS** » Mon May 18, 2009 1:53 pm

Well if you go by that then Bav Lucas has come into the team 25 times this season and we lost one of those games

He gave away one penalty and a free kick when he was trying to cover for Yossi being out of position .

Lucas was booed for ebing a scapegoat and was shameful - what a few f.ecking idiots do on a matchday means f.uck all - look at half the stuff that is said on here during a match day . Bet thos eidiots who booed him where the first to cheer when he scored against west ham thou .

by **tubby** » Mon May 18, 2009 1:55 pm

He didn't score against West Ham.

by **aCe'** » Mon May 18, 2009 1:58 pm

Id call the likes of Giggs, Scholes, Anderson, Park, Nani, Deco, Quaresma, even Kalou and Mikel very good players at the very least... all defo better than Lucas and some of them are just lightyears ahead of him its a disgrace even having his name down there along with them... But all that to me is sort of besides the point... the fact that we play the 2 holding mids with Gerrard ahead of them means that we'll more often than not get away with playing an average player like Lucas in the side when need be... Its not that big a bother to me and i dont believe that its something that needs urgent attention from the manager... If Lucas wants to leave or if we get a good offer for him then fair enough... theres many many other players out there who are better than he is and would do a better job in our side and wouldnt cost much to bring in...

Mikel to me has become a much better player this season but i still cant see what the fuss is about as GYBS says.. hes average at best and while i think hed be better off in a smaller side playing a slightly more advanced side i wouldnt say that hes all that much better than Lucas.. The likes of Anderson, Deco, Scholes and Giggs though are all lightyears better than Lucas is and i dont think many would argue that...

by **GYBS** » Mon May 18, 2009 1:58 pm

Sorry Newcastle .

by **GYBS** » Mon May 18, 2009 2:04 pm

Well Scholes and Giggs obviously are better than him but they are finsihing their careers now - it was never in doubt they are better than hmi and have shown over the years and you cant really compare them with lucas .

Deco - well in the prem he has done nothing this season and i expect him to disappear to saudi or somewhere for the big bucks

Park - i rate and through experience is better than lucas

Quaresma - what has he actually done ? nothing in the prem - bombed out of serie A as not good enough and liken him to nani - lots of ability but dont show it . Ability wise better than lucas but not shown it on the pitch .

Kalou - Not sure about him as some days think he looks decent but others looks poor

Anderson - Prob has loads of ability but as i said when i have seen (bar last season against us) has done nothing to say he is better this season

by **aCe'** » Mon May 18, 2009 2:10 pm

GYBS wrote:Well Scholes and Giggs obviously are better than him but they are finsihing their careers now - it was never in doubt they are better than hmi and have shown over the years and you cant really compare them with lucas .

Deco - well in the prem he has done nothing this season and i expect him to disappear to saudi or somewhere for the big bucks

Park - i rate and through experience is better than lucas

Quaresma - what has he actually done ? nothing in the prem - bombed out of serie A as not good enough and liken him to nani - lots of ability but dont show it . Ability wise better than lucas but not shown it on the pitch .

Kalou - Not sure about him as some days think he looks decent but others looks poor

Anderson - Prob has loads of ability but as i said when i have seen (bar last season against us) has done nothing to say he is better this season

Holy crrap mate... what has Lucas done in the prem ? besides 1 or maybe 2 good games tops in how long now ?!

All of those players above have either proved over the years (whether in the prem or on Mars or wherever) that they have quality and can actually make a difference when they are called upon... some of them have been good in patches and some havent featured much (injuried, etc)... but again.. what has Lucas done in the 25 appearences or whatever it is to show that hes any better ? nothing...

by **GYBS** » Mon May 18, 2009 2:22 pm

aCe' wrote:
GYBS wrote:Well Scholes and Giggs obviously are better than him but they are finsihing their careers now - it was never in doubt they are better than hmi and have shown over the years and you cant really compare them with lucas .

Deco - well in the prem he has done nothing this season and i expect him to disappear to saudi or somewhere for the big bucks

Park - i rate and through experience is better than lucas

Quaresma - what has he actually done ? nothing in the prem - bombed out of serie A as not good enough and liken him to nani - lots of ability but dont show it . Ability wise better than lucas but not shown it on the pitch .

Kalou - Not sure about him as some days think he looks decent but others looks poor

Anderson - Prob has loads of ability but as i said when i have seen (bar last season against us) has done nothing to say he is better this season

Holy crrap mate... what has Lucas done in the prem ? besides 1 or maybe 2 good games tops in how long now ?!

All of those players above have either proved over the years (whether in the prem or on Mars or wherever) that they have quality and can actually make a difference when they are called upon... some of them have been good in patches and some havent featured much (injuried, etc)... but again.. what has Lucas done in the 25 appearences or whatever it is to show that hes any better ? nothing...

If you read the post you will see i have said they may have more ability than lucas but actually producing it this season ?!?

Lucas has stepped in the team on a number of occasions this season and contributed and helped us win games .

by **DrPepe** » Mon May 18, 2009 2:25 pm

aCe' wrote:
GYBS wrote:Well Scholes and Giggs obviously are better than him but they are finsihing their careers now - it was never in doubt they are better than hmi and have shown over the years and you cant really compare them with lucas .

Deco - well in the prem he has done nothing this season and i expect him to disappear to saudi or somewhere for the big bucks

Park - i rate and through experience is better than lucas

Quaresma - what has he actually done ? nothing in the prem - bombed out of serie A as not good enough and liken him to nani - lots of ability but dont show it . Ability wise better than lucas but not shown it on the pitch .

Kalou - Not sure about him as some days think he looks decent but others looks poor

Anderson - Prob has loads of ability but as i said when i have seen (bar last season against us) has done nothing to say he is better this season

Holy crrap mate... what has Lucas done in the prem ? besides 1 or maybe 2 good games tops in how long now ?!

All of those players above have either proved over the years (whether in the prem or on Mars or wherever) that they have quality and can actually make a difference when they are called upon... some of them have been good in patches and some havent featured much (injuried, etc)... but again.. what has Lucas done in the 25 appearences or whatever it is to show that hes any better ? nothing...

even though i don't particularly rate lucas very highly, to say he's contributed virtually nothing in 25+ games this season is a little hysterical

by **GYBS** » Mon May 18, 2009 2:28 pm

And as for Quasmra - wtf has he ever really done - Bombed out at Barce for not being good enough - was ok in Portugal- done nothing on international stage - went to inter and sent out on loan after six months and still cant get a game ?!

by **heimdall** » Mon May 18, 2009 2:47 pm

GYBS wrote:And as for Quasmra - wtf has he ever really done - Bombed out at Barce for not being good enough - was ok in Portugal- done nothing on international stage - went to inter and sent out on loan after six months and still cant get a game ?!

I'd still rather have him than Lucas, raw natural ability and making it at Barca is a bit different to making it in our squad. he was fairly good at Porto wasn't he and isn't he injured at the moment, don't recall him playing for Chelsea yet not that I follow them too closely.

So what has Lucas proven then? How many games has he influenced positively, there are certainly a few where he has been a negative influence.

BTW loved the way you twisted my post again GYBS focusing on the word great instead of my actual point which was clear for everyone else, you really are slippery, you sure you're not one of these spin doctors?

i agree that Anderson and Nani have been quiet this season but the times I've seen them play, they've looked composed and played well. Deco i think we can all agree has been a huge disappointment but is still better than Lucas and there must be something with Obi Mikel because he keeps a lot of very good midfielders out of the team on a fairly regular basis or are you suggesting that Mr. Hiddink is a bit clueless.

by **GYBS** » Mon May 18, 2009 2:58 pm

No twisting on anything Heimdall - you said great players on the bench of man utd and chelsea and how they keep them happy so i asked which great players ?!?!

Fairly good at porto ?? did you see him play against us ? he did nothing at all - seen him play for chelsea and guess what - he did nothing once again .

Lucas IMO has played well in quiet a number of games - solid in a few , nothing outstanding but keeping things ticking over nicely playing simple and composed and a few games he has done very well and shone out .

Well maybe hiddink does see something in Obi Mikel - but i dont see anything there every time i have seen him .

So Rafa see something in Lucas - does than mean you are suggesting he is clueless - (BTW thats Rafa the manager who is above Hiddink in the table :;):

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by **heimdall** » Mon May 18, 2009 3:06 pm

GYBS wrote:No twisting on anything Heimdall - you said great players on the bench of man utd and chelsea and how they keep them happy so i asked which great players ?!?!

Fairly good at porto ?? did you see him play against us ? he did nothing at all - seen him play for chelsea and guess what - he did nothing once again .

Lucas IMO has played well in quiet a number of games - solid in a few , nothing outstanding but keeping things ticking over nicely playing simple and composed and a few games he has done very well and shone out .

Well maybe hiddink does see something in Obi Mikel - but i dont see anything there every time i have seen him .

So Rafa see something in Lucas - does than mean you are suggesting he is clueless - (BTW thats Rafa the manager who is above Hiddink in the table )

Ah but Hiddink didn't have a whole season did he and he did make Rafa look a fool at Anfield in the 1st leg of the champions league, one of the very few times I've seen Rafa out-tacticalised.

Anyway great might have been a bit too strong a word but all the players I previously mentioned are much better and contribute more to their teams than Lucas.

Think of it this way if we had a situation where we had to start Lucas every game would you be nervous or would you be confident he'd fill in without the team playing markedly worse. I can tell you that all the players I listed earlier could fill in easily and do a good job without affecting the team standard, Lucas wouldn't and doesn't.

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