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by **LegBarnes** » Mon Apr 20, 2009 11:35 am

this weekend has been funniest weekend of football ever this whole fat sam and fergie thing has to be the biggest balls up of mind games I have ever seen.

Fergie looked like an old ladie(no offence ment) way he was having a go at rafa was very sad how he got knighted I never no.

by **bigmick** » Mon Apr 20, 2009 12:01 pm

Usually when a long standing top ranked performer in any sport falls, it's not suddenly. It happens bit by bit, the ropes have to be slung over the statues shoulders first, fires lit underneath the feet to weaken the very foundations upon which the castle is built. Like Federer in the tennis, gradually the up and comers are not just asking questions, they don't respect your guns anymore and they storm the ramparts. You begin to realise that what was easy is harder as straight sets wins are won in four sets, what was difficult sometimes becomes impossible.

It happens too in boxing. Routine title defences become much harder, the pavements littered with cast away betting slips which predicted early round wins. Often it can be that the writing is on the wall long before final curtain. Look carefully and you'll see the glances at the corner, the pauses for extra breath which were previously unnecessary.

It takes a wee bit of time though. The seasoned pro can move the young buck around the court with his subtlety, his know how of many hours in the higher echelons of combat enabling him to win matches and contests which perhaps he shouldn't. The aging boxer can hold off the challenger for one more big payday, hitting inside, staying on his stool for a fraction of a second extra to maximise his breathing space.

And so it is with Ferguson. He looks to me like a man who is glancing at his corner, wondering how many seconds are left in this particular round. He has the look of a man who knows he may make it through this particular tie break, but the future ones may present questions for which he increasingly struggles to find answers. There is a weariness in his speech, the fire and desperate will to win replaced by a bitterness and eagerness not to lose. The attacking football filled with verve which even his fiercest of rivals have had to admit has often been uber easy on the eyes is increasingly being replaced by dour functionality as the Champion holds for one extra breath.

He may yet make it through this particular last round. He may cling on, land enough blows inside and use the know-how built up over many years to finish with enough of a flurry to swing the final verdict. My guess is though that this time there'll be no triumphalism, no laps of honour for him round Old Trafford. Ferguson is many things, but a fool isn't one of them. My guess is that if they manage to hold us off and win the title, this season will be his last. He will know in his heart of hearts that his time is almost up, and those who look closely enough will agree with him. The touchline tantrums were of a different kind to the ones we've seen before, like the jibes against our manager last week they had a hint of desperation, almost a sadness about them.

The ropes are over the shoulders, the fires have been lit and the pulling from side to side has begun. Already there are discernable wobbles, soon there will be a mighty crash. That doesn't mean they're finished of course, it just means he is. They'll then have to find another who is in someway comparable to Ferguson. Much as I can't stand the fella, it won't be easy.

by **Reg** » Mon Apr 20, 2009 1:08 pm

Good post Mick. You´re right of course and of the teams ready to take up the mantle, we must in teh strongest contender.

by **Ciggy** » Mon Apr 20, 2009 1:29 pm

SIR OBSESSED

A Psychiatric Hospital
a tree-lined avenue
a wailing ambulance siren
flashing lights of blue

A shrink in white coat waiting
ambulance screams to a halt
A man dragged kicking and screaming
shouting, “It’s all his fault”.

Two male nurses take over
the patient spits and swears
they kick, punch then drag him
up the hospital stairs.

He bites one nurse on the ankle
then spits in the other’s face
“Sedate the tw@t will yer doctor
he’s a feckin mental case”

With that the shrink then pounces
with a massive twelve inch syringe
“Please stay still Mr Ferguson
you will not feel a thing”

The needle misses his bare @rse
and jabs his hairy pouch
he’s screaming ten minutes later
lying on the shrink’s leather couch

“Okay Mr Ferguson tell me
when did this all begin?
you say that you can hear voices
which come from deep within”

“Aye that’s right that doctor
the voices appear then vanish
I’m starting to hear them in my sleep
and they’re all in feckin Spanish”

“It feels like a scene from the Omen
I have a recurring dream
but instead of three sixes on my scalp
I have the number 19”

“That’s worrying, Mr Ferguson
your mind seems so confused
that may explain why you chase cars
in just your socks and shoes”

“And according to your missus
when Liverpool win a game
you’ve started driving to Moss side
and using crack cocaine”

“She said when they beat Fulham
you went into a trance
since then you’ve been incontinent
and regularly sh!t your pants”

“But doctor – it’s Benitez
I cannae psych him out
and things have gone from bad to worse
since that 4-1 rout”.

“Each time I try to spook him
he kills me with his words
that’s why I’ve started butting walls
and eating my own turds”

“He knows I’m egocentric
arrogant and vile
unsporting and conceited
and talk a load of bile”

“Just lie back Mr Ferguson
you’re frothing at the mouth
I’m ordering a straightjacket
to try and sort you out”

“You’re suffering from delusion
born from real fear
Benitez has you running scared
your time is finally near”

“Consider early retirement
his time is coming soon
that’s why you’ve been eating flies
and howling at the moon”

“But Doc you have to cure me
Benitez has got me insane
even when I p!ss the bed
the stain is the shape of Spain”

“Feels like I’m being tortured
by the Spanish inquisition
I hear his laugh - see his face
whipping me into submission”

“Unfortunately Mr Ferguson
your heading for a fall
Benitez has higher intelligence
your brain is far too small”

“You’re suffering from paranoia
brought about by stress
there’s no medical terminology
apart from you’re obsessed”

“Please doctor what can I do now
Benitez terrifies me
he’s gonna knock me off my perch
him and that Sammy Lee”

“I’m sorry Mr Ferguson
but you have to face the truth
you spit and swear and spew out bile
you really are uncouth”

“Your illness is incurable
I have no doubt of that
there is no cure or remedy
for a thick ungracious tw@t”

Braces & Boots

by **Lando_Griffin** » Mon Apr 20, 2009 1:39 pm

Like it, Centurion - like it.

by **GRAHAM01** » Mon Apr 20, 2009 1:49 pm

by **Owzat** » Mon Apr 20, 2009 4:10 pm

LegBarnes wrote:this weekend has been funniest weekend of football ever this whole fat sam and fergie thing has to be the biggest balls up of mind games I have ever seen.

Fergie looked like an old ladie(no offence ment) way he was having a go at rafa was very sad how he got knighted I never no.

Maybe the two whingers will get their comeuppance cometh the end of the season, I gather fergie didn't speak to the cameras after yesterday's defeat but I'm sure I saw him doing so BEFORE the match when he mentioned forthcoming fixtures (again!) I read he might field a "slightly weakened team" yet heard it was EIGHT changes from Porto - and he has the audacity to question Rafa's respect! He may have games this midweek, weekend, the next midweek, the next weekend etc, but that was a ONE-OFF cup match and he obviously either felt what he put out was good enough to beat the sixth placed team in the league, or he is more concerned about the league even though he has some leeway regards dropping points.

Even the Champions League has two legs and a second chance, to rest players needs maybe 3-4 changes, 5 is more than you'd expect most games and it might be fair to say 7-8 is (bordering) disrespectful. Gibson, Welbeck and Foster played yesterday and in the Carling Cup final, I'd hate to say if that side was weaker or stronger than the Carling Cup final side, but I doubt too many of the starters yesterday would play in a Champions League knock-out tie or important Premiership game. I would suggest he didn't want to risk some of his players getting injured, well it screwed up his semi-final record and may make no difference whatsoever to the other competitions! Neither he nor Wenger were happy about the pitch, did either side lose a player to injury directly as a consequence of the pitch?

fat sam may well face the ultimate comeuppance - relegation. fergie may well find his season of "clean sweep" may merely end with very mickey mouse cups and unconvincingly won at that - Carling Cup 0-0 and won on penalties, the "Club World Championship" won by beating a sunday league side narrowly 1-0. I get fed up rapidly with talk of quadruples, a media obsession that doesn't take much fuelling. It is highly unlikely in the modern game, the mancs have now played FIFTY-EIGHT games this season and that will strain even the biggest of squads.

Not that they could have done a genuine "clean sweep" anyway, that would involve winning all possible trophies and that would be blatantly ignoring their defeat in the UEFA Super Cup which featured more strength and depth than the "Club World Championship" even though it involved only two teams! I have managed clean sweeps on footy management games in my first season in charge, that took plenty of doing and is only a video game. Unfortunately neither was the "grandslam" of clean sweeps, one missing the Community Shield and the other missing the Club World Championship (due to it being the first season and tjhe team I took charge of not having "qualified" for those "competitions")

by **jono** » Mon Apr 20, 2009 4:14 pm

little sam on big sam

by **Sir Roger** » Mon Apr 20, 2009 4:35 pm

Ferguson has clearly lost it and is definitely cracking up
How anyone takes what he says seriously is beyond me.
He is surely very near to seeing his house of cards collapse and his dream of "knocking us off our fuc'king perch" slowly turn into a nightmare

The barbarians are at the gate Sir beetroot nose...
:;):

by **LegBarnes** » Mon Apr 20, 2009 4:37 pm

HaHa nice to see he showed up that fat git.

We was having a drink after game and he said nothing to me.

Fatty must have lost his bottle or he is making it up I think a little of both.

Fair play sam you showed it for the shower of sh*t it is.

by **Sir Roger** » Mon Apr 20, 2009 5:11 pm

This is good:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v....mbedded

by **loopyliverpool** » Mon Apr 20, 2009 5:53 pm

Red Nose and Sam (I am innocent contrary to the pictures) Allerdyce are in cahoots along with Redknapp (who I like). They are all British and seem to hate the foreign managers coming in and treading on their turf! Any excuse and they love to have a pop. I still don't know exaactly what Rafa has done, if someone can enlighten me I'd be grateful! Basically Big Sam is clutching at straws cos he is going to preside over a team who are odds on for the drop and he is not half the manager he likes to think he is. It beggars belief that he was even considered for the England job - lunacy of the highest order!

by **Greavesie** » Mon Apr 20, 2009 6:03 pm

jono wrote:little sam on big sam

good response handled well. Rafa hasn't said anything at all and sent Sam instead

rafa can do the talking on Tuesday

by **Anfield rapper** » Mon Apr 20, 2009 6:53 pm

Ciggy wrote:Martin Samuel :

It's a joke to pick on Rafa The League Managers Association would gain considerably more credibility if they did not appear to exist as the fiefdom of Mr. Ferguson, the Manchester United manager, and friends.
The sight of Ferguson and Sam Allardyce, of Blackburn Rovers, ganging up on Rafael Benitez, the Liverpool manager, last week was laughable, the idea that Benitez's gestures at Anfield during Liverpool's win over Blackburn were disrespectful even more so.
Indeed, watching this alleged slight, Benitez (above) appears to be laughing at himself for advising against a move that led to a goal or telling his players now to go steady and close the game down.
If he was saying the match was over at 2-0, as Allardyce and Ferguson suggested, though, he is no bad judge: it ended 4-0.
Ferguson says previous Liverpool managers would not have acted like that and he is right. Previous Liverpool managers would never have been 2-0 up after 30 minutes against an awkward side like Blackburn.
This may be what Ferguson liked most about them.

Nail of head well said

Very good article :nod

by **fivecups** » Mon Apr 20, 2009 7:27 pm

bigmick wrote:Usually when a long standing top ranked performer in any sport falls, it's not suddenly. It happens bit by bit, the ropes have to be slung over the statues shoulders first, fires lit underneath the feet to weaken the very foundations upon which the castle is built. Like Federer in the tennis, gradually the up and comers are not just asking questions, they don't respect your guns anymore and they storm the ramparts. You begin to realise that what was easy is harder as straight sets wins are won in four sets, what was difficult sometimes becomes impossible.

It happens too in boxing. Routine title defences become much harder, the pavements littered with cast away betting slips which predicted early round wins. Often it can be that the writing is on the wall long before final curtain. Look carefully and you'll see the glances at the corner, the pauses for extra breath which were previously unnecessary.

It takes a wee bit of time though. The seasoned pro can move the young buck around the court with his subtlety, his know how of many hours in the higher echelons of combat enabling him to win matches and contests which perhaps he shouldn't. The aging boxer can hold off the challenger for one more big payday, hitting inside, staying on his stool for a fraction of a second extra to maximise his breathing space.

And so it is with Ferguson. He looks to me like a man who is glancing at his corner, wondering how many seconds are left in this particular round. He has the look of a man who knows he may make it through this particular tie break, but the future ones may present questions for which he increasingly struggles to find answers. There is a weariness in his speech, the fire and desperate will to win replaced by a bitterness and eagerness not to lose. The attacking football filled with verve which even his fiercest of rivals have had to admit has often been uber easy on the eyes is increasingly being replaced by dour functionality as the Champion holds for one extra breath.

He may yet make it through this particular last round. He may cling on, land enough blows inside and use the know-how built up over many years to finish with enough of a flurry to swing the final verdict. My guess is though that this time there'll be no triumphalism, no laps of honour for him round Old Trafford. Ferguson is many things, but a fool isn't one of them. My guess is that if they manage to hold us off and win the title, this season will be his last. He will know in his heart of hearts that his time is almost up, and those who look closely enough will agree with him. The touchline tantrums were of a different kind to the ones we've seen before, like the jibes against our manager last week they had a hint of desperation, almost a sadness about them.

The ropes are over the shoulders, the fires have been lit and the pulling from side to side has begun. Already there are discernable wobbles, soon there will be a mighty crash. That doesn't mean they're finished of course, it just means he is. They'll then have to find another who is in someway comparable to Ferguson. Much as I can't stand the fella, it won't be easy.

I'm sure you could publish that.

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