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by **Redman in wales** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 10:54 pm

tonyeh wrote:
Redman in wales wrote:
tonyeh wrote:The justification for zonal marking is that that all areas are marled. However, the reality is that they just aren't.

correct.

however... the justification for man-marking is that all men are marked. ..... but the reality is that they aren't. Goals are still conceeded.

Of course. What, you want people to say that no goals can be conceded by man marking?

not at all. i just cant see the arguement saying man marking is more effective than zonal, when are defence have been so effective over the last few seasons with zonal

by **tonyeh** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 10:58 pm

Redman in wales wrote:
tonyeh wrote:
Redman in wales wrote:
tonyeh wrote:The justification for zonal marking is that that all areas are marled. However, the reality is that they just aren't.

correct.

however... the justification for man-marking is that all men are marked. ..... but the reality is that they aren't. Goals are still conceeded.

Of course. What, you want people to say that no goals can be conceded by man marking?

not at all. i just cant see the arguement saying man marking is more effective than zonal, when are defence have been so effective over the last few seasons with zonal

The argument was in front of your eyes tonight Redman.

by **GYBS** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 10:58 pm

tonyeh wrote:Ivanovic got two goals tonight, because Liverpool players were marking zones...and not him.

they are supposed to pick up players that go into their zone - if they dont pick up the player then its the markers fault not the system .

by **Redman in wales** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 11:02 pm

tonyeh wrote:
Redman in wales wrote:
tonyeh wrote:
Redman in wales wrote:
tonyeh wrote:The justification for zonal marking is that that all areas are marled. However, the reality is that they just aren't.

correct.

however... the justification for man-marking is that all men are marked. ..... but the reality is that they aren't. Goals are still conceeded.

Of course. What, you want people to say that no goals can be conceded by man marking?

not at all. i just cant see the arguement saying man marking is more effective than zonal, when are defence have been so effective over the last few seasons with zonal

The argument was in front of your eyes tonight Redman.

no. that was defensive mistakes. which also happen during man marking. - one match when we did not play very well.

like you pointed out, goals will be conceeded when man marking, that's a fact, so when they are - what's to stop anyone saying look there's the proof man marking doesn't work

by **tonyeh** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 11:05 pm

So, what if there are multiple players coming into a zone? Who do you pick up? Should the player marking zone a follow the opposition player into zone b? Should he just leave him alone?

How come Ivanovic was able to zip into one zone and then out of it with incredible ease and get a free header...totally uncontested.

Weaker system, full stop. No matter how bad the defenders were.

by **RedBlood** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 11:10 pm

my opinion is zonal or man marking it only works if you defend well and we were simply poor tonight

i reckon rafa missed a trick tonight chelsea were always gonna try and beat us on set pieces and our best aerial defender was on the bench.. sami hyypia, i really believe if hed played we wouldnt be in this mess

by **Greavesie** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 11:18 pm

exactly RedBlood, any system of marking is fine as long as the players do it well, we cant blame zonal after deploying it for the five years Rafa has been here, we were just plain awful, simple.

I logged out and eveything and it didnt work, we must have been awful

by **Fauxy** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 11:20 pm

I think our actual defending is to blame rather than zonal marking..

Skrtel could have easily intercepted Ivanovic's run into the ball and alonso should have done better on his second goal.

Zonal marking works when done correctly.

by **oreilly** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 11:21 pm

we badly missed Mascherano tonight----- his absence seemed to affect the amount of time our key men had on the ball..... it would too easy to put this defeat down to zonal marking------ we were :censored:

poor all over the park tonight,

chelsea did exactly what we did to real madrid tonight------ still- it doesnt make us a bad team- just a bad night... we can score 3 goals against chelsea.......the same way we did against real,villa,manure--------so for anyone to say we've been dumped out is just being too pessimistic

by **JC_81** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 11:47 pm

Fauxy wrote:I think our actual defending is to blame rather than zonal marking..

Skrtel could have easily intercepted Ivanovic's run into the ball and alonso should have done better on his second goal.

Zonal marking works when done correctly.

Completely agree.

Skrtel was sleeping for the first goal, was his job to attack and clear it.

Gerrard made a feeble attempt to reach the second.

At the same time though they were both great balls into dangerous areas, and two fantastic pieces of movement by Ivanovic to get on the end of them. I didn't think he had that in his locker and clearly our team didn't either. He has been a bit of an unknown quantity up until tonight.

Individual mistakes cost the goals, not the system. The media and so-called pundits will have a field day over it though. 'Zonal marking blah blah blah...'

by **ken_job** » Thu Apr 09, 2009 1:06 am

"Mark the man or mark the space?" - space wont put the ball in the back of the net - a man will.....

Its simple really. Zonal marking against an organised attack is a recipe for disaster.

Some people are saying that the runs could have been 'intercepted' or 'prevented'. Ivanovic had a decent run at both goals - a standing defender hasnt a hope against a 6'2 ivanovic with momentum. If he'd been man marked and the run was tracked, the defender (skrtel in this case) can slow ivanovic's momentum and/or jump with him. With zonal defending skrtel just has to sit and wait for him to come....

And height hardly even comes into it, Cahill did this earlier in the season scoring one and setting up another with a glancing header which he won unmarked. Its about getting a free run and getting the timing right, which is very easy for an unmarked striker/midfielder/defender, whatever. As long as the other team is aware of it and prepares set pieces to attack this area of weakness we WILL concede goals this way.

I love Benitiz and his tactics are hard to fault but this is one which must be addressed....

by **Greavesie** » Thu Apr 09, 2009 1:09 am

Owzat must have stats somewhere regarding the goals we've conceded from set pieces compared with other top sides, that would settle the argument...

by **whylongball?** » Thu Apr 09, 2009 1:10 am

john craig wrote:
Fauxy wrote:I think our actual defending is to blame rather than zonal marking..

Skrtel could have easily intercepted Ivanovic's run into the ball and alonso should have done better on his second goal.

Zonal marking works when done correctly.

Completely agree.

Skrtel was sleeping for the first goal, was his job to attack and clear it.

Gerrard made a feeble attempt to reach the second.

At the same time though they were both great balls into dangerous areas, and two fantastic pieces of movement by Ivanovic to get on the end of them. I didn't think he had that in his locker and clearly our team didn't either. He has been a bit of an unknown quantity up until tonight.

Individual mistakes cost the goals, not the system. The media and so-called pundits will have a field day over it though. 'Zonal marking blah blah blah...'

agree its not the zonal that is at fault. Skrtel is a hard tackling defender but his positional sense is susspect as well as his concentration. We havent replaced Hyppia for sure... :no

by **red_guy** » Thu Apr 09, 2009 1:36 am

It's not about the system whether it's man marking or zonal marking...the defense was very poor.

by **Lando_Griffin** » Thu Apr 09, 2009 1:47 am

An off day. Nothing more.

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