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Postby bigmick » Wed Mar 04, 2009 8:37 pm

GYBS wrote:the prob is mate the people who do support rafa do get plenty of abuse - clueless fuc kwit , blind , head in sand , sad , pathetic , red tinted specs etc all examples of what people have been called because they dare do that unthinkable thing called support and be positive about the manager players and club .

"Clueless feckwit"? I think you're allowing your artistic license to get ahead of you mate.  :D  :laugh:

There's only one bunch of people on here who dish out abuse as we all know, and it isn't the "doomers and gloomers". I don't think I've ever seen a doomer and gloomer accuse someone who is pro-Rafa of being a c... because of their opinions, although if you can find quotes I may be correctable. I don't think I've seen a doom and gloomer go on about someone not being a real fan, telling them to "feck off and support someone else then", or saying that that the poster "hopes Liverpool lose". I haven't seen pro Rafa people accused of "spouting bile", I haven't seen their views being attemtped to be dismissed because they haven't and aren't managing a professional team, and I haven't seen where they live and what they do for a living called into the equation.

I've had it all mate, much of it off people who still post on here quite happily. RBG though, with his views won't get any of that, and nor should he.

He might get the odd person who disagrees with him. He might get someone who posts up proof that we've spent the best part of 200 million quid in five seasons, and have a net spend which is more than the Mancs, and about 3 mill a season behind Chelsea. They might put up figures about our "progress" and compare it with other teams. They might talk about Martin O Neills Aston Villa, how Mourinho and Wenger took one year to win the Premierhsip. They might analyse the squad, and ask why we haven't got any cover for our right back, our left midfielder or our striker. They might wonder about the signings, and wonder whether people we've sold off aren't actually better than the ones we've kept. They might pontificate about the wisdom of selling your striker cover half way through a season in which you're challenging, without bringing in a replacement. They might ask whether our trophy cabinet is beginning to look a little bit empty. They might bring up the managers lust for publicity, his public contract negotiations and his apparent instructions to players not to sign contracts until the manager himself has decided his own future. They might talk about rotation, the fact that we draw too many games. They'll probably talk about not chasing wins hard enough, settling for draws. Some may even provide stats for people to look at. Some of them may even offer up potential tactical talking points, different ways we could improve, or ways in which certain players could look at things differently.

None of it'll get countered though mate, it never does. They'll either be told "let's bring in Big Sam yeah   :buttrock " or called a c... and told to feck off. They'll be "too depressing" a "fecking w@nker" "talking utter sh!t", "making people spew" "spouting bile" etc. It'll the be the words of a "plumber" a "jumped up cocktail barman" or a "dildo seller" (I do get around).


Anyway, no need for RBG to watch himself, he won't get any of that. I'm glad too. He is entitled to his opinion, just the same as everyone else.
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Postby Number 9 » Wed Mar 04, 2009 8:47 pm

bigmick wrote:
GYBS wrote:the prob is mate the people who do support rafa do get plenty of abuse - clueless fuc kwit , blind , head in sand , sad , pathetic , red tinted specs etc all examples of what people have been called because they dare do that unthinkable thing called support and be positive about the manager players and club .

"Clueless feckwit"? I think you're allowing your artistic license to get ahead of you mate.  :D  :laugh:

There's only one bunch of people on here who dish out abuse as we all know, and it isn't the "doomers and gloomers". I don't think I've ever seen a doomer and gloomer accuse someone who is pro-Rafa of being a c... because of their opinions, although if you can find quotes I may be correctable. I don't think I've seen a doom and gloomer go on about someone not being a real fan, telling them to "feck off and support someone else then", or saying that that the poster "hopes Liverpool lose". I haven't seen pro Rafa people accused of "spouting bile", I haven't seen their views being attemtped to be dismissed because they haven't and aren't managing a professional team, and I haven't seen where they live and what they do for a living called into the equation.

I've had it all mate, much of it off people who still post on here quite happily. RBG though, with his views won't get any of that, and nor should he.

He might get the odd person who disagrees with him. He might get someone who posts up proof that we've spent the best part of 200 million quid in five seasons, and have a net spend which is more than the Mancs, and about 3 mill a season behind Chelsea. They might put up figures about our "progress" and compare it with other teams. They might talk about Martin O Neills Aston Villa, how Mourinho and Wenger took one year to win the Premierhsip. They might analyse the squad, and ask why we haven't got any cover for our right back, our left midfielder or our striker. They might wonder about the signings, and wonder whether people we've sold off aren't actually better than the ones we've kept. They might pontificate about the wisdom of selling your striker cover half way through a season in which you're challenging, without bringing in a replacement. They might ask whether our trophy cabinet is beginning to look a little bit empty. They might bring up the managers lust for publicity, his public contract negotiations and his apparent instructions to players not to sign contracts until the manager himself has decided his own future. They might talk about rotation, the fact that we draw too many games. They'll probably talk about not chasing wins hard enough, settling for draws. Some may even provide atats for people to look at. Some of them may even offer up potential tactical talking points, different ways we could improve, or ways in which certain players could look at things differently.

None of it'll get countered though mate, it never does. They'll either be told "let's bring in Big Sam yeah   :buttrock " or called a c... and told to feck off. They'll be "too depressing" a "fecking w@nker" "talking utter sh!t", "making people spew" "spouting bile" etc. It'll the be the words of a "plumber" a "jumped up cocktail barman" or a "dildo seller" (I do get around).


Anyway, no need for RBG to watch himself, he won't get any of that. I'm glad too. He is entitled to his opinion, just the same as everyone else.

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Postby REDTILLDEAD » Wed Mar 04, 2009 8:51 pm

Lee J wrote:top stuff. too many haters and non believers on here.

More like to many "blinkerd fans" wearing "rose tinted glasses" unable to face the truth, or admit that under this manager (and parry and some of our board members) we are going nowhere. We need a clean break from messers....benitez,parry, and moores.....bring on Jose'. :nod
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Postby bigmick » Wed Mar 04, 2009 8:52 pm

Number 9 wrote: :D

:cool: We both know I'm right on this one eh Baz. Anyhow, I know it's probably been an effort to resist the temptation to tell me to get fecked over this last week or so, but it's an effort I appreciate. Makes it a nicer place to spend some time. Thanks.
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Postby Sabre » Wed Mar 04, 2009 9:01 pm

Edit non footie pointless post.
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Postby Number 9 » Wed Mar 04, 2009 9:02 pm

bigmick wrote:
Number 9 wrote::D

:cool: We both know I'm right on this one eh Baz. Anyhow, I know it's probably been an effort to resist the temptation to tell me to get fecked over this last week or so, but it's an effort I appreciate. Makes it a nicer place to spend some time. Thanks.

No bother,just dont start another 20 threads worded in different ways with the same concept that"Rafa is a :censored: manager" being the over riding theme all in the space of 3 days and I will resist!
If I had an olive branch Id offer it but i dont,and I sure as fu'ck cant be @rsed looking for one so..ah well!
Used to like reading your posts before Mick,always well balanced and realistic...not now!
If I could compare who had went off the rails more (from their normal self since Xmas) and you and LFC were the two in question,Id say you! :rasp  :D

Bad management...I blame Missus Mick! :D
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Postby Sabre » Wed Mar 04, 2009 9:02 pm

RBG, Thanks for that post. It's appreciated some optimism.
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Postby bigmick » Wed Mar 04, 2009 9:07 pm

Number 9 wrote:
bigmick wrote:
Number 9 wrote::D

:cool: We both know I'm right on this one eh Baz. Anyhow, I know it's probably been an effort to resist the temptation to tell me to get fecked over this last week or so, but it's an effort I appreciate. Makes it a nicer place to spend some time. Thanks.

No bother,just dont start another 20 threads worded in different ways with the same concept that"Rafa is a :censored: manager" being the over riding theme all in the space of 3 days and I will resist!
If I had an olive branch Id offer it but i dont,and I sure as fu'ck cant be @rsed looking for one so..ah well!
Used to like reading your posts before Mick,always well balanced and realistic...not now!
If I could compare who had went off the rails more (from their normal self since Xmas) and you and LFC were the two in question,Id say you! :rasp  :D

Bad management...I blame Missus Mick! :D

Ah right, no olive branch from me either then. Don't bother resisting further, bring it on silly b0ll0cks.
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Postby redbeergoggles » Wed Mar 04, 2009 9:14 pm

hello_red wrote:
redbeergoggles wrote:Im truly apologetic in my apparently wasted faith in Rafa ,you see I like to see the good in people ,especially people who I consider to have Liverpool's best interests at heart .
If Rafa had the team he wanted then our defence for example would include such custodians as Evra ,Vidic ,Alves .
Midfield I think is Rafa's choice albeit Barry and maybe Silva .
Strikers would be Torres paired with the formidable Aguero or Villa who Liverpool's heirarchy deemed both unknown quantities and considered not worth investment, oh for such foresight .
So what I can so far conclude is Rafa's proposals to the said board have been dismissed  offhand and treated with genuine disinterest .
In point of fact ,its an enigma why Benitez has stuck around so long ,with such obvious contempt from boardroom level strewn in his every direction .
As from day one Rafa has battled against media backlash ,who couldn't simply fathom why the genuine fans showed such abiding faith,lets not put any spin on this Fleet St hated this reaction and were baffled by our unity .
I look on this forum and I see conjecture and ridicule heaped against Benitez when all he has ever done is for the best and the future of Liverpool football club ,sometimes it is better to give your adversaries room to make mistakes .
We need owners that will support the belief Rafa has in the club and the fans that will continue to not waver in the face of adversity, fans that wont deliver Fleet Streets finest hour into their zealous laps .
These are the steps that  need to be taken to see Liverpool achieve progression ,there is something comforting about adopting a siege mentality ,see maybe ,just maybe Rafa is simply still here because of us the fans ......

Although full of unecassary sarcasm and poor atempts at humour I would have to agree with what your saying.

Sarcasm granted ,but if I intentionally implanted any humour in that thread then its only you who sees it .
May I make the suggestion you read it again and view it in the manner it was intended .   ???
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Postby Number 9 » Wed Mar 04, 2009 9:24 pm

bigmick wrote:
Number 9 wrote:
bigmick wrote:
Number 9 wrote::D

:cool: We both know I'm right on this one eh Baz. Anyhow, I know it's probably been an effort to resist the temptation to tell me to get fecked over this last week or so, but it's an effort I appreciate. Makes it a nicer place to spend some time. Thanks.

No bother,just dont start another 20 threads worded in different ways with the same concept that"Rafa is a :censored: manager" being the over riding theme all in the space of 3 days and I will resist!
If I had an olive branch Id offer it but i dont,and I sure as fu'ck cant be @rsed looking for one so..ah well!
Used to like reading your posts before Mick,always well balanced and realistic...not now!
If I could compare who had went off the rails more (from their normal self since Xmas) and you and LFC were the two in question,Id say you! :rasp  :D

Bad management...I blame Missus Mick! :D

Ah right, no olive branch from me either then. Don't bother resisting further, bring it on silly b0ll0cks.

I'll get over it (the no olive branch either bit)
Im sorry if I offended ya like but im sorrier that I came on here in the space of no time and read umpteen threads started by yourself shi,tting all over our manager.Just because you write big long posts and have been on here for a while does not excuse you from being told you are going OTT!
I felt you did and I told you in my way.Probably not the best way(that I put it) at times but I cant be @rsed pussyfooting
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Postby bigmick » Wed Mar 04, 2009 9:36 pm

Me neither, not with you anyway, not any more. Being told I'm going OTT ??? I think it's best I leave it at that :). These conversations would be so different if the gap was 12 feet and not 12,000 miles I think.

No point in us arguing about Rafa though. Give it a bit till you change your mind again and we'll be on the same side. For now though, I'll leave it at that.
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Postby redbeergoggles » Wed Mar 04, 2009 9:51 pm

bigmick wrote:I've had it all mate, much of it off people who still post on here quite happily. RBG though, with his views won't get any of that, and nor should he.

He might get the odd person who disagrees with him. He might get someone who posts up proof that we've spent the best part of 200 million quid in five seasons, and have a net spend which is more than the Mancs, and about 3 mill a season behind Chelsea. They might put up figures about our "progress" and compare it with other teams. They might talk about Martin O Neills Aston Villa, how Mourinho and Wenger took one year to win the Premierhsip. They might analyse the squad, and ask why we haven't got any cover for our right back, our left midfielder or our striker. They might wonder about the signings, and wonder whether people we've sold off aren't actually better than the ones we've kept. They might pontificate about the wisdom of selling your striker cover half way through a season in which you're challenging, without bringing in a replacement. They might ask whether our trophy cabinet is beginning to look a little bit empty. They might bring up the managers lust for publicity, his public contract negotiations and his apparent instructions to players not to sign contracts until the manager himself has decided his own future. They might talk about rotation, the fact that we draw too many games. They'll probably talk about not chasing wins hard enough, settling for draws. Some may even provide stats for people to look at. Some of them may even offer up potential tactical talking points, different ways we could improve, or ways in which certain players could look at things differently.

All base's covered Michael ? ,but for every argument you present I can if needed present an equally relevant retort ,and speaking personally I can honestly say if I ever resort to vile and abusive language then ive lost the ensuing debate .
Clever post ,subtle in its proposition ,but tinged with a tad of deviousness.
I especially like the way you have listed quite eloquently the main questions cited in this controversy as oppose to resorting to the tried and trusted soapbox .
Your a clever poster Michael..   :D
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Postby bigmick » Wed Mar 04, 2009 10:05 pm

We agree on many things RBG (not the bit about me being clever though, I'm anything but). We will I'm pretty sure get chance to revisit the whole Rafa debate many times as we go forward, and when he signs a new contract I very much hope your faith in him is justified. I don't think it is or will prove to be so, but here's hoping anyway. 

As for the equally relevent retorts, go for it mate. I've no doubt we can have a debate foillowed by a disagreement quite amicably. I've listed about 15 things there which trouble some of us, pick a couple out and have a pop at em. Alternatively or as well as, bung a couple of your own in and we'll have a chin wag.
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Postby account deleted by request » Wed Mar 04, 2009 10:21 pm

I think that the real problem is Mick was the first "well liked and highly respected" poster to speak out against Rafa so he catches most of the flak. Where as other posters could be dismissed as Wums, idiots and much much worse, Mick couldn't. He has been around a long while and when he puts his point across people tend to listen, and to make matters worse he wasn't intimidated and didn't stop when the insults flowed.

Whether you agree with him or not, this is supposed to be a forum where we can express our opinion, and where we can discuss what we feel is going right or wrong with our team, our club and yes, even our manager. If you think someone's opinion is wrong, argue against their opinion, don't just insult the poster because his opinion doesn't happen to match yours.

I have learned a lot in my time on here about the club and my views have certainly changed during that time. Some changes have been because good posters like Mick have made me think a little more and some due to the changing fortunes of the club itself.

We all want a successful Liverpool, just because our views differ on how we achieve that aim doesn't mean we are superior or lesser supporters. I always liked Riise, others thought he was a liability, does that make me a better supporter because " I supported the player to the end"? No, in all probability it just meant that someone had had better judgement than me   :D

If someones opinion is wrong or flawed, point it out, explain why and if they still can't see it, agree to disagree and move on. Don't stifle good debate with abuse.

For me whether I agree with Mick or not, he adds interest , some original thinking and some cracking threads and posts to the site. He certainly gets me thinking about things more.

Barry's ok too  :D
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Postby GYBS » Thu Mar 05, 2009 9:58 am

Mick if you think that it is just the people that are negative get insulted then you really need to open your eyes a little - if you still think that then there is no hope.
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