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by **The_Rock** » Sat Jan 31, 2009 8:55 pm

Reg wrote:Well if he's going back to Spurs, today is his last day before the window closes.

It closes on monday....

If the news of keane not being in the squad is true, more fans will turn against benitez.... Is that what he wants ?

by **bigmick** » Sat Jan 31, 2009 8:56 pm

bunglemark2 wrote:There isn't anybody I reckon right now, who would be in their right mind who would come to LFC at the moment.

It's an interesting point that Mark and one which hasn't been explored. Will the treatment of keane make big money signings (particularly British based ones) more or less likely to sign for Liverpool in the future? Even foreign players must read the papers.

Would players from the outside looking in think Keane has been given a fair crack of the whip? It's an interesting one that.

by **dawson99** » Sat Jan 31, 2009 8:57 pm

I'm telling you, Rafa never wanted Keane, the higher uppers brought him, and he's showing we shouldn't buy players he dont want... its that simple

by **SupitsJonF** » Sat Jan 31, 2009 9:01 pm

Keane was obviously (based on recent form) going to net 2 past Chelsea, WTF IS RAFA THINKING!!

In all seriousness, he should at least be on the bench. Maybe he will give babel a striker role against Chelsea? Gradually getting more dangerous (small doses, but getting better).

Same story every week, we all bitch Keane isn't in the squad. Then when he is, we all bitch because he misses a sitter. Repeat process.

by **bigmick** » Sat Jan 31, 2009 9:07 pm

dawson99 wrote:I'm telling you, Rafa never wanted Keane, the higher uppers brought him, and he's showing we shouldn't buy players he dont want... its that simple

But he played him in the first 16 matches this season Daws'. Do you think he said "Ah feck it, I didn't want him but now he's here I might as well play him in every match"

I absolutely can't believe people are sticking with this. I first mentioned this about two months ago, and I was taking the p!ss. Unreal.

by **dawson99** » Sat Jan 31, 2009 9:11 pm

Yeah that was when contract negotiaions were going well... now they aren't. I'm sticking with it. There must be a reason we are pish at the moment beyond ability

by **Effes** » Sat Jan 31, 2009 9:12 pm

dawson99 wrote:I'm telling you, Rafa never wanted Keane, the higher uppers brought him, and he's showing we shouldn't buy players he dont want... its that simple

I think the Brian Reade article is maybe more accurate - Rafa did want Keane,
but the way Parry went about it left Rafa with only enough left to get Riera.

by **account deleted by request** » Sat Jan 31, 2009 9:22 pm

Effes wrote:
dawson99 wrote:I'm telling you, Rafa never wanted Keane, the higher uppers brought him, and he's showing we shouldn't buy players he dont want... its that simple

I think the Brian Reade article is maybe more accurate - Rafa did want Keane,
but the way Parry went about it left Rafa with only enough left to get Riera.

I think thats partly right mate, but remember Parry said we have the money, we just don't want to pay out so much for a player with little or no resale value.

So I think Rafa wanted both, but Parry would only let him have one, and maybe if Rafa had his choice it wouldn't have been Keane, but then maybe Alonso wouldn't still be with us now if we had bought Barry?

by **dawson99** » Sat Jan 31, 2009 9:24 pm

s@int wrote:
Effes wrote:
dawson99 wrote:I'm telling you, Rafa never wanted Keane, the higher uppers brought him, and he's showing we shouldn't buy players he dont want... its that simple

I think the Brian Reade article is maybe more accurate - Rafa did want Keane,
but the way Parry went about it left Rafa with only enough left to get Riera.

I think thats partly right mate, but remember Parry said we have the money, we just don't want to pay out so much for a player with little or no resale value.

So I think Rafa wanted both, but Parry would only let him have one, and maybe if Rafa had his choice it wouldn't have been Keane, but then maybe Alonso wouldn't still be with us now if we had bought Barry?

..and we know Stevie is chummy with Barry. Don't all shoot me don but a little part of me keeps thinking Stevie is throwing his toys out of the pram a bit lately.. dunno why I'm getting tha idea

by **account deleted by request** » Sat Jan 31, 2009 9:24 pm

dawson99 wrote:I'm telling you, Rafa never wanted Keane, the higher uppers brought him, and he's showing we shouldn't buy players he dont want... its that simple

Yeah I am pretty sure Rafa wanted Hyypia in our CL squad too mate, but Parry chose Degan instead.

by **bigmick** » Sat Jan 31, 2009 9:33 pm

s@int wrote:
dawson99 wrote:I'm telling you, Rafa never wanted Keane, the higher uppers brought him, and he's showing we shouldn't buy players he dont want... its that simple

Yeah I am pretty sure Rafa wanted Hyypia in our CL squad too mate, but Parry chose Degan instead.

And it was Parry who wanted rid of Alonso too.

by **The_Rock** » Sat Jan 31, 2009 9:35 pm

Lets for arguementative's sake say that keane wasn't benitez preferred signing...

1)Does it make it right for him to treat keane like he has done ? I mean the club has invested 20 million on keane....it is the clubs's $$$.... Surely the manager has to "somewhat" take that into consideration when he picks his team right ? (especially in such dire economic situation we are in today). By constantly subbing keane....dropping him...he is ultimately doing "the crouch" to him... Which club is then gonna pay good money to buy keane ? If benitez wanted to get rid of keane..he should at least play him..(thus if keane scores goals and teams will be willing to pay close to 20 million for him)... Thats common sense rite ?

2)Surely Keane is a better option upfront compared to Kuyt & Ngog ? Which other manager in the world will have these two ahead of Keane ? So isn't benitez undermining the success of our team just to prove a point that he should have final say in transfers (if this is indeed true ?)

3)I am sure other managers in other clubs don't have their preferred players....But do you think they will treat their 20 million "not preferred" player as badly as keane is being treated ? (especially when the likes of Kuyt and Ngog are picked ahead of him) The world is not a perfect place. You have "not preferred" bosses. You have "not preferred" subordinates. But you still have to deal with them objectively....

I really hope what benitez is doing some sort of delayed gazelle $hit with keane and hopes to unleash him in the 2nd half of the season (which is long over due)....

Cos if he isn't picking him just because he wasn't his preferred choice... then he is doing as much harm to this club as the owners...

by **JC_81** » Sat Jan 31, 2009 9:38 pm

The_Rock wrote:3)I am sure other managers in other clubs don't have their preferred players....But do you think they will treat their 20 million "not preferred" player as badly as keane is being treated ?

Shevchenko under mourinho??

by **The_Rock** » Sat Jan 31, 2009 9:43 pm

john craig wrote:
The_Rock wrote:3)I am sure other managers in other clubs don't have their preferred players....But do you think they will treat their 20 million "not preferred" player as badly as keane is being treated ?

Shevchenko under mourinho??

Yeah....but i am also pretty sure chelsea had better players than Kuyt and Ngog to pick ahead of Shevchenko......

And unlike keane...Shevchenko wasn't a proven player in this league (but he is still a smashing player though in the seria A)

by **bigmick** » Sat Jan 31, 2009 9:44 pm

The_Rock wrote:Lets for arguementative's sake say that keane wasn't benitez preferred signing...

Rock mate I've read your post and it's fair enough, but lets not assume Keane wasn't Rafa's preferred signing. Why not? Because it is an absolutely ludicrous notion, so ridiculous as to be beyond any sensible debate.

He didn't want him? Would he have played him int he first sixteen matches this season then. He didn't want him? Does anyone think his pet journalist Ballaque wouldn't have commented at the time? Does anyone think Keane would have signed the contract without first discussing with the manager where he fit into his plans. Does anyone seriously believe Rafa would have gone through all of that if he didn't want him? Do people think Rafa got a phionecall from Parry, "Hey Rafa, you'll never guess what? I've just spunked 20 million quid on Robbie Keane! "

Transfers don't work like that. The whole idea is absolutely fecking ridiculous. It is wiuthout one single grain of truth.

So lets bear in mind that when we "for the sake of argument" it, we might as well discuss what would happen for the sake of argument if I played in goal against Chelsea

No offence to you Rock on this as I know it's not your rumour, but it's patently daft.

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