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by **metalhead** » Sun Jan 11, 2009 11:55 pm

s@int wrote:
Dundalk wrote:
metalhead wrote:Lets see why, He gets his first goal against PSV, which boosts his confidence and gets dropped to bench next game. He then gets two goals against Bolton, and a goal against Arsenal, hitting top form but he gets benched against Newcastle.

Imagine he done that with Nando

There would be a riot

He did mate last season(remember Portsmouth and Birmingham?) Torres scored two against Derby, was then left out...... came back with a hatrick against Reading. Torres proved him wrong and then made sure he couldn't be left out again.

s@int you said

If he's leaving him out its for a reason, same with Alonso, same with Masch etc etc. Big players need to perform, if they don't they should be dropped just like anyone else.

so why doesn't he bench Kuyt when he is playing like :censored:

the last 4 or 5 games?

oh wait he isn't a big player

by **account deleted by request** » Sun Jan 11, 2009 11:59 pm

metalhead wrote:
s@int wrote:
Dundalk wrote:
metalhead wrote:Lets see why, He gets his first goal against PSV, which boosts his confidence and gets dropped to bench next game. He then gets two goals against Bolton, and a goal against Arsenal, hitting top form but he gets benched against Newcastle.

Imagine he done that with Nando

There would be a riot

He did mate last season(remember Portsmouth and Birmingham?) Torres scored two against Derby, was then left out...... came back with a hatrick against Reading. Torres proved him wrong and then made sure he couldn't be left out again.

s@int you said

If he's leaving him out its for a reason, same with Alonso, same with Masch etc etc. Big players need to perform, if they don't they should be dropped just like anyone else.

so why doesn't he bench Kuyt when he is playing like the last 4 or 5 games?

oh wait he isn't a big player

I don't know mate, maybe because Kuyt just plays his heart out every game ............... doesn't moan, doesn't complain and gives a good BJ.

by **Number 9** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 12:01 am

this..its going nowhere on here as usual and im fanatd out!
I'll leave you all with one thought before i hit the hay...
We will have a hard enough time winning anything this season..yesterday our manager had a hand in our defeat,it was his fault basically that we never took all 3 points!
If he does it again the EPL is over for us..its that simple.
:censored:

gutted here and have been from yesterday..I feel like rafa has oil on his hands and the EPL is the rope!
stick on a pair of gloves and fuc'kin play your best team from here on in or fu'ck off!

by **Cool Hand Luke** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 12:03 am

metalhead wrote:
Cool Hand Luke wrote:Well if it’s true……then who the fu(k does Robbie Keane think he is? He has been sh1t 95% of the time he has been on the pitch this season so what right does he have to demand more playing time?

Rafa wasting 20million on a small time player and then losing faith in him half way through the season is a separate issue completely.

I don’t know why people feel so sorry for him, yeah he has tried hard as he always done but his performances don’t warrant him demanding more playing time.

Lets see why, He gets his first goal against PSV, which boosts his confidence and gets dropped to bench next game. He then gets two goals against Bolton, and a goal against Arsenal, hitting top form but he gets benched against Newcastle.

the way he is treated is a disgrace, Kuyt has been worst than him and he still gets a game.

Alonso, Mascherano and Agger are examples of players who have had to settle for a place on the bench after playing well. All are better players and are more important to the club than Keane but they hardly get a mention.

After the PSV gave we went away to Man City and Rafa wanted to include Mascherano and revert to a 4-2-3-1. Is Keane more important than the team tactics?

Against Newcastle, so Rafa decided not to start Keane 3 times in the space of 8 days is treating him disgracefully? Again, he went away from home and wanted to play 4-2-3-1 and feels that Kuyt is more suited to playing the 1 up top on that system. Alonso and Riera also had to settle for a place on the bench against Newcastle, are they being treated disgracefully as well?

Questioning Rafa’s tactics is one thing but saying Keane has been treated disgracefully in these situations is just ridiculous.

I don’t know where this obsession with Robbie Keane has come from, we may as well rename the club as Robbie Keane Football Club and replace the Liverbird with his picture.

Something isn’t right when we get comments like; “Even if we win today I’m not in support of Rafa as Keane is not in the team” – What a joke.

by **Ciggy** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 12:03 am

s@int wrote:He did mate last season(remember Portsmouth and Birmingham?) Torres scored two against Derby, was then left out...... came back with a hatrick against Reading. Torres proved him wrong and then made sure he couldn't be left out again.

I think he rested Gerrard and Torres for the Portsmouth game because they both came back from internatinal duty, Keane has been subbed in most games so he isnt knackerd and hasnt played that often either to deserve resting.

There is deffo something going on, I know his wife has stayed living in london cause she wants to further her modelling career and Keane has to commute to there and she visits Liverpool not an ideal situation either.

by **metalhead** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 12:09 am

CHL, its not an obsession, not at all! Its the way he has been dropped, its crushing his confidence, would you drop a player for almost hitting top form? I wouldn't!

Riera and Alonso has played more games than Keane has, and they had run of games, unlike Keane. There is a difference. If Keane had played more games and given a continues run of games then It wouldn't be very different would it be?

lol, I wouldn't go comment on your last statement

, though sometimes I see what a ridiculous lineup Rafa has put on, but I always hope for the best and I hope the players starting play well, I criticize, everyone does, but if we win I'll be happy as everyone else.

by **JoeTerp** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 12:11 am

Keane has started in 22 of the 30 matches (not including Carling Cup) we have played this year, and has come off the bench 4 times. For a player who has mostly underperformed, I don't understand how anyone can say that Rafa hardly plays him.

by **JC_81** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 1:00 am

Not surprised at all if this story is true. Who wouldn't be pi.ssed off in Keane's position?

Getting dropped for the Newcastle game was a massive kick in the bollox for him after two good performances. Being left on the bench v Stoke was another questionable decision by the manager. There have been other times too.

Granted Keane has not always taken the chances he's been given when started, but he has always been a confidence player, and Benitez has clearly shown none in Keane of late. Keane is part of the problem in that he hasn't adapted well enough to our system, but there are other factors. The absence of Torres has influenced things because Robbie is not a lone striker and has been asked to do a job there several times. Benitez is also part of the problem, because like the Crouch situation, like the Alonso situation, Benitez has poorly man-managed here. He has spent 20 million quid on a player that he can't get the best out of, simple as that.

Keane is not solely to blame for his perceived failure at LFC so far, and neither is Benitez. Those trying to pin all the blame on one or the other are blinkered I'm afraid.

by **Madmax** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 4:14 am

We all know keane cannot play as a lone striker. With spurs he always had his partner berbatov with him so hence a one man forward line up will work for keane. Rafa prefers playing the one man striker formation with gerrard just behind torres or any other striker.
What makes me think is that why buy keane in the first place?
We have rarely seen him partner anyone. I think he did with torres a little at the start of the season.
Where was rafa eventually going to play keane?? How did he want to use him?

Personally i think instead of slashing out 20 mill for keane rafa should have obviously stuck with the formation that got the best out of torres and gerrard in the 2nd half of last season and should have bought a world class right mid player. The 20 mill he spent on keane he could have got one hell of a right mid player.

by **Lando_Griffin** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 4:22 am

Madmax wrote:If true then feel sorry for robbie. I have to be honest rafa must be one the the biggest d!ck head in the world. Why pay 20 mill for a striker you will hardly use. what the feck is the matter with you??!!!
I still cant understand why he played dirk the donkey upfront instead of keane.

I thought it had been established that Rafa never wanted Keane?

Even still, I think you must be blind, because Keane has done precisely f*ck all this season. He has shown nothing to suggets he should start for us.

4 goals do not a top-class striker make.

by **Madmax** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 5:18 am

Lando_Griffin wrote:
Madmax wrote:If true then feel sorry for robbie. I have to be honest rafa must be one the the biggest d!ck head in the world. Why pay 20 mill for a striker you will hardly use. what the feck is the matter with you??!!!
I still cant understand why he played dirk the donkey upfront instead of keane.

I thought it had been established that Rafa never wanted Keane?

Even still, I think you must be blind, because Keane has done precisely f*ck all this season. He has shown nothing to suggets he should start for us.

4 goals do not a top-class striker make.

Fair enough he as not played well but wouldnt it have been better to play keane instead of kuyt against stoke. Keane showed us a bit of class against arsenal and bolton and everyone was praising him. I guess you must have aswel. Even though he has not given us much impetus i still would pick keane over kuyt at strike anytime.
With keane at the moment its hard to tell if he will score many or not. Maybe he will be another fringe like ciise,baros etc..

When was it established that rafa never wanted keane?

by **destro** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 8:53 am

No one player is bigger than the Club, if Raffa feels he made a mistake in signing him as his treatment of Keane suggests then he gets rid of him simple as, whether he is any better than Kuyt or Benny or anyone else isn't the issue here, if his attitude is wrong then he goes, I don't buy into all this boyhood Liverpool Fan cr@p and if Babel wants to follow him then all the better

The only problem I have is the fee we paid for him ( or have yet to pay if the stories are true ) and hopefully we can manage to re-coup most of it when some small club who wants a big fish for their pond comes in for him.

What happened to the days when we actually signed players with the right attitude, players who would play their hearts out for the shirt and not sulk when they don't get to play, I might be wrong but I am sure we pulled out of signing Lee Bowyer because his attitude wasn't right ?

by **tonyeh** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 9:28 am

JoeTerp wrote:Keane has started in 22 of the 30 matches (not including Carling Cup) we have played this year, and has come off the bench 4 times. For a player who has mostly underperformed, I don't understand how anyone can say that Rafa hardly plays him.

In addition, he's been subbed on the hour in 18 of those games. So that 30+ minutes X 18 games. That's 540 minutes of football, where he might have scored.

People may be incorrect in saying that Rafa's not been playing Keane, but one thing's for certain, he hasn't been playing him correctly.

by **mistyred** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 10:09 am

by **Toffeehater** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 11:07 am

ruskiy playmaker wrote:I'd love it if we swapped him with Pavluchenko.

Pavluchenko is :censored:

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