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by **Cool Hand Luke** » Sun Dec 07, 2008 4:11 pm

P.S. We shouldn’t sign him as a long term strike partner for Torres, it would not be the right combination. Sign him as someone who can be rotated into the team and can fill in when we have injuries.

by **burjennio** » Sun Dec 07, 2008 4:17 pm

Cool Hand Luke Posted on Dec. 07 2008,15:09It would depend on what sort of deal he was willing to take. If he is really desperate to come back then he will have to take some sort of pay as you play contract with a minimal basic rate. He is on over £100k a year according to most sources and personally I would only be willing to give him a quarter of that as a basic rate with added bonuses depending on appearances.

His injury record is horrendous so we couldn’t sign him as one of first choice strikers, it’s just not worth the risk.

If we could get him for a very small fee and on a very small basic rate (wages) then I would say yes. But I don’t think he will accept such a drop in wages.
Fo Dne Posted on Dec. 07 2008,15:09

i dont think he could command the type of salary that the superstars are on now because of his injury record over the last 3 seasons, for whats its worth i voted yes - nostalgia overriding my reservations about his fitness. It would just be awesome to see him doin the hand rubbing celebration after bagging a hat-trick against Spurs on the last day of the season to claim no. 19

by **burjennio** » Sun Dec 07, 2008 4:21 pm

Fo Dne Posted on Dec. 07 2008,15:11
Quote (burjennio @ Dec. 07 2008,12:45)
Fo DnePS: If you're going to be a complete wit and vote no, explain why you don't think the manager should make this affordable improvement to the squad and team by signing a top class professional.

Who creates a poll by insulting anyone who doesnt share their opinion before they have even voted? Do you speak to real people the way you do on here? If so im sure you get smacked around alot.

Bringing back Owen is not black and white, its not just about how he left or the goals he once scored. He is very injury prone and do you want to bring in another striker just to have him lie next to Torres in the treatment room? If he comes in and stays fit, what formation do you play? has Owen not always played at his best with a target man up front beside him? Should Torres sacrifice his goal threat to accommodate him? Could he play with Keane? Could he play with Ngog? What would you think if you were Nemeth or one of the other promising young strikers if we brought in a striker who best days are behind him (sorry, but they are)?

For me, the problem lately hasnt been the finishing, its been the lack of clear cut chances we've been creating. I watched Utd play Sunderland last night and get very fortunate with an injury time goal that deflected onto a post and straight to Vidic for a tap in. If you read that this morning you would think "lucky b@stards" and assume that where the Mancs got lucky Liverpool didnt get the rub of the green against Fulham or West Ham, but there was a huge difference. It just seemed impossible that Utd hadnt scored as they created chance after chance and were denied by great tackling, great goalkeeping and sometimes blind luck. Watching the last two LFC home games i just couldnt see Liverpool scoring when they were relagated to long range shooting and hopeful set pieces. When the team is playing like that it you could have Torres, Owen and Fowler on the pitch on top form and it isnt gonna change the overall complexion of the game. Gerrard has not looked 100% since being injured, Riera hasnt pushed on after a promising start and some of the others are definitely playing within themselves at the moment.

In fairness though id rather have him back they flippin Bruno!

Hence the reason there was a smiley there ya whopper!

some of your other posts seem to be short of smileys :upside:

by **NANNY RED** » Sun Dec 07, 2008 4:42 pm

Remind you of anything, ive heard this somewhere before

Michael Owen has pinpointed Newcastle's boardroom "turmoil" as the reason for his delay in agreeing a new contract.

After former manager Kevin Keegan's controversial exit in September, owner Mike Ashley put the Magpies up for sale but has been unable to find a buyer.

"We had a few meetings earlier on in the season and things were going fine," striker Owen, 28, told BBC Sport.

"Then the manager left as did someone on the board who we were negotiating with - talks haven't picked up since."

Joe Kinnear has come in and has had a steadying influence on the club

Michael Owen

Owen's current deal ends next summer and he could walk away from the club for free at the end of the season.

"Before it's gets twisted again, that's not me snubbing Newcastle," added the England striker, who scored twice for the Magpies in Saturday's 2-2 draw with Stoke City.

"They've got bigger things to fry than sorting out my contract, or the contracts of Steven Harper, Shola Amoebi, Mark Viduka and Nicky Butt - there are a lot of people out of contract.

"They haven't got round to talking with the players. There has been a lot of turmoil at the club and I suppose they have been shuffled to the back of the queue."

Owen praised the work of Keegan's successor Joe Kinnear, who recently signed a contract as Newcastle's manager until the end of the season. 606: DEBATE
Will Michael Owen stay at Newcastle?

"We needed someone to steady the ship - there has been so much surrounding the club this season, as well as other seasons, it seems to attract unwanted publicity," said Owen, who has now scored six Premier League goals this season.

"He has come in and has had a steadying influence on the club and has done really well.

"We're quite hard to beat - we've had a lot of draws and if we can turn those into wins we'll be on the right road."

by **LegBarnes** » Sun Dec 07, 2008 4:54 pm

Sarge wrote:
ho11ywood wrote:i voted no for the following reasons

1) the little cu.nt walked out on us thinking the grass would be greener
2) he is one dimensional and doesnt fit into the way we play

Who absolutely the fu.ck are you to make such rant?

He did walk away but to call him c.unt, well i think you can go f.uck yourself you tw@t. He doesn't deserve that.

He's not one dimensional and he does indeed fit the style we play.

GUESS WHAT, I THINK THAT IT IS YOU THAT ARE 1 DIMENSIONAL AND YOU CAN GO F.UCK YOURSELF CAUSE YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY CLUELESS F.UCKHEAD.

Think clearly before ridiculing yourself.

how quick some fans are to forget what owen did for our club he was a legand. :nod

by **LegBarnes** » Sun Dec 07, 2008 4:55 pm

Fo Dne wrote:
burjennio wrote:
Fo DnePS: If you're going to be a complete wit and vote no, explain why you don't think the manager should make this affordable improvement to the squad and team by signing a top class professional.

Who creates a poll by insulting anyone who doesnt share their opinion before they have even voted? Do you speak to real people the way you do on here? If so im sure you get smacked around alot.

Bringing back Owen is not black and white, its not just about how he left or the goals he once scored. He is very injury prone and do you want to bring in another striker just to have him lie next to Torres in the treatment room? If he comes in and stays fit, what formation do you play? has Owen not always played at his best with a target man up front beside him? Should Torres sacrifice his goal threat to accommodate him? Could he play with Keane? Could he play with Ngog? What would you think if you were Nemeth or one of the other promising young strikers if we brought in a striker who best days are behind him (sorry, but they are)?

For me, the problem lately hasnt been the finishing, its been the lack of clear cut chances we've been creating. I watched Utd play Sunderland last night and get very fortunate with an injury time goal that deflected onto a post and straight to Vidic for a tap in. If you read that this morning you would think "lucky b@stards" and assume that where the Mancs got lucky Liverpool didnt get the rub of the green against Fulham or West Ham, but there was a huge difference. It just seemed impossible that Utd hadnt scored as they created chance after chance and were denied by great tackling, great goalkeeping and sometimes blind luck. Watching the last two LFC home games i just couldnt see Liverpool scoring when they were relagated to long range shooting and hopeful set pieces. When the team is playing like that it you could have Torres, Owen and Fowler on the pitch on top form and it isnt gonna change the overall complexion of the game. Gerrard has not looked 100% since being injured, Riera hasnt pushed on after a promising start and some of the others are definitely playing within themselves at the moment.

In fairness though id rather have him back they flippin Bruno!

Hence the reason there was a smiley there ya whopper!

Fo Dne you really have as much charisma as a fish stick some times.

by **Red Dotty** » Sun Dec 07, 2008 5:54 pm

No not for me.

Had enough of the klittle ego tripping fecker

let him rot at newcastle :angry:

by **The_Rock** » Sun Dec 07, 2008 7:41 pm

Just from the "how will owen improve our team" point of view, i think it would be a massive signing. He is a proven match winner and the more match winners we have (currently IMO only gerrard and torres are genuine match winners)..the better. This is the reason why manure won the league for the past 2 years...and this is also the reason why chelsea won the other 2.

And i don't think "will the owen & torres partnership work" angle will be an issue. In all likelihood , owen is gonna miss quite a few matches every season due to injury (and it looks like torres too will be going that path)...

so its like if torres is injured...hey we have owen (and vice versa).

And if both are injured....we still have Keane, Kuyt and Babel

Seriously, we gotta sign owen, and worry later how he is gonna link up with torres.......i don't wanna see another match with Kuyt as a lone striker (the champions league final 2007 still gives me nightmares).

by **The_Rock** » Sun Dec 07, 2008 7:42 pm

BTW if steve harper is available on a bosman...we should sign him. He is the best backup keeper in the league.

by **dawson99** » Sun Dec 07, 2008 7:43 pm

for footballing reasnos I'd say yes, but fro the heart I'd say no, he left us, let's move on.
Football needs to be run by the head sometimes though...

by **Dundalk** » Sun Dec 07, 2008 7:48 pm

I voted no.

To injury prone and wages to expensive.

There is better out there

by **Ace Ventura** » Sun Dec 07, 2008 7:57 pm

Voted yes, i can see why people are saying no though. The way he left was a bitter pill to swallow, sort of felt at the time that he was jumping ship and that.
Also his injury record is obviously a major concern.

Having said that, with Keane struggling (so far) to settle and Torres this season having terrible luck with injuries then we definately could do with a proven goalscorer like Owen.
His pace is gone but he is so clever with his movement and due to this will often be in the right place at the right time and will always score goals in any type of game.

Thats what we need. The amount of games we dominate but dont get killer goals is our weakness at the moment and with someone like Owen i think we would be likely to solve this problem.
He did let us down again when he signed for Newcastle, he should of had the balls to hold out and he was clearly motivated by keeping his England place, but thats the past. At the end of the day we are wanting to win the league so we want to do everything possible to win it, if that means giving Michael a second chance then it should be done.

Another thing is him being out of his beloved England squad, we could use that to our advantage if we were nogotiating for wages etc, as he knows that if he signed for us and was fit he would be back in straight away....not that a give a f'ck about England but if we can get him to sign on significantly reduced wages due to that factor then why not ?
We all know Rafa is probably going to be stubborn about the situation, but he really should forget about whats happened, football is full of things like what Owen did, lets be realistic there is not much loyalty in football nowadays so Michael is not on his own in that regard.

One thing i will say is with Owen people are not imo looking at the bigger picture.
We can all list his mistakes but what it should boil down to is....if we signed him would we be in with a better chance of winning the league ?

To anyone that says no they are a liar.

To anyone that actually thinks no....then i'd suggest an alternative sport to follow.

by **LegBarnes** » Sun Dec 07, 2008 8:13 pm

Dundalk wrote:I voted no.

To injury prone and wages to expensive.

There is better out there

clueless there is better out there ?

What at not getting injured yes !
At putting ball in back of net fook off ! :buttrock

by **Fo Dne** » Sun Dec 07, 2008 8:13 pm

Ace Ventura wrote:Voted yes, i can see why people are saying no though. The way he left was a bitter pill to swallow, sort of felt at the time that he was jumping ship and that.
Also his injury record is obviously a major concern.

Having said that, with Keane struggling (so far) to settle and Torres this season having terrible luck with injuries then we definately could do with a proven goalscorer like Owen.
His pace is gone but he is so clever with his movement and due to this will often be in the right place at the right time and will always score goals in any type of game.

Thats what we need. The amount of games we dominate but dont get killer goals is our weakness at the moment and with someone like Owen i think we would be likely to solve this problem.
He did let us down again when he signed for Newcastle, he should of had the balls to hold out and he was clearly motivated by keeping his England place, but thats the past. At the end of the day we are wanting to win the league so we want to do everything possible to win it, if that means giving Michael a second chance then it should be done.

Another thing is him being out of his beloved England squad, we could use that to our advantage if we were nogotiating for wages etc, as he knows that if he signed for us and was fit he would be back in straight away....not that a give a f'ck about England but if we can get him to sign on significantly reduced wages due to that factor then why not ?
We all know Rafa is probably going to be stubborn about the situation, but he really should forget about whats happened, football is full of things like what Owen did, lets be realistic there is not much loyalty in football nowadays so Michael is not on his own in that regard.

One thing i will say is with Owen people are not imo looking at the bigger picture.
We can all list his mistakes but what it should boil down to is....if we signed him would we be in with a better chance of winning the league ?

To anyone that says no they are a liar.

To anyone that actually thinks no....then i'd suggest an alternative sport to follow.

Hang on a minute, lets get this straight once and for all.

Michael Owen was a very good professional footballer who was playing in a team full of rubbish players. He'd been here since he was a child and seen one foreign manager come in and :censored:

everything up after a promising start. He was by far our best player over that period and had carried the team for years getting us out of the :censored:

time and time again.

He was european player of the year, he scored goals all his life and one of the best clubs in the world with the best players in the world came along and said we want you to play for us alongside some of the best players to play the game in recent years... No thanks lads, I'd rather stay and play with Diao, Biscan and Traore... Yeah ok.

He was certainly not disloyal. He is no Jamie Carragher but disloyalty is just wrong. The reason he let his contract run down was due to him not wanting to "waste" his career in a mediocre team with mediocre players, which for a player of that calibre is understandable. He has never once said a bad word about anyone or this club. I for one believe that had this club been going in the right direction, he'd never have left in the first place.

He needs us, we need goals and a quality striker. He's going on the cheap and people are saying no... these people will be sitting there come the end of the season thinking... (if only we'd been able to turn some of the draws into wins!)

by **dawson99** » Sun Dec 07, 2008 8:16 pm

Why aren't we just going for Dean Ashton instead?

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