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by **GYBS** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 11:42 am

peewee wrote:probably for the same reason as you bring up other players in the kuyt thread

your like a broken record thou - yeah we understand you dont reate him or like him or he dumped or whatever but why use a thread about another player to have another dig at him ? isnt that being a bit obsessed about him ? we know you dont like him so you dont have to remind us daily

by **112-1077774096** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 11:49 am

GYBS wrote:
peewee wrote:probably for the same reason as you bring up other players in the kuyt thread

your like a broken record thou - yeah we understand you dont reate him or like him or he dumped or whatever but why use a thread about another player to have another dig at him ? isnt that being a bit obsessed about him ? we know you dont like him so you dont have to remind us daily

so ignore my posts, its not hard mate is it. i am simply making a point that there are people in here slagging him off while defending kuyt for doing the same things, do you want me to start a new thread for that or include it in here where it is relevant?

likewise i think we all know by now that even if kuyt was to come into your house on christmas day and sh*t on your kids you would still defend him as a great guy, but you never tire of defending him, or rafa, or anyone else who is underachieving and we all have to read about it on a daily basis.

now actually read this thread and report back to me on how many people have mentioned kuyt (not in response to me) and ask yourself why you choose to focus only on my posts

by **Ace Ventura** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 11:49 am

Leonmc0708 wrote:Did anyone decide this forthemselves or just base there prognosis on Jim Beglins statements ?

Leon, you do that quite a bit on here i have noticed.

Hear someone criticise someone and take it that they have formed there opinion based on the commentator.

Lets be honest, this time your calling it wrong, Lucas was bad last night, easily our worst player. He gave away stupid freekicks in dangerous positions and did the same with the ball.
Yes Beglin commented on it alot, but thats about the only time i have ever agreed with him, he is a biased cnt against us for some bizarre reason, which usually gets on my nerves.

He deffo called it right with Lucas last night though, and i would of said the same about Lucas had i watched it without sound, he was an accident waiting to happen, fortunately it never.

by **GYBS** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 11:55 am

peewee wrote:so ignore my posts, its not hard mate is it. i am simply making a point that there are people in here slagging him off while defending kuyt for doing the same things, do you want me to start a new thread for that or include it in here where it is relevant?

likewise i think we all know by now that even if kuyt was to come into your house on christmas day and sh*t on your kids you would still defend him as a great guy, but you never tire of defending him, or rafa, or anyone else who is underachieving and we all have to read about it on a daily basis.

now actually read this thread and report back to me on how many people have mentioned kuyt (not in response to me) and ask yourself why you choose to focus only on my posts

well i havent actually gone through the thread since the start and not going to bother . i responded on my thoughts about lucas which was the same as many people on here and the difference between lucas and kuyt is kuyt contributes more than just hard work - goals and assists where as lucas doesnt seem to me at the moment contributing to anything but is young and may well adapt or he may well be sold off. Lucas in the last season and a half has prob made one telling contribution in the derby last year where as kuyt has many bloody loads in the time he has been here. And i have no problems critizing players when i dont think they are good enough and dont contribute but will look at the whole picture and not just focus on the negatives and actually look at what they bring to the team .

by **112-1077774096** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 12:04 pm

GYBS wrote:
peewee wrote:so ignore my posts, its not hard mate is it. i am simply making a point that there are people in here slagging him off while defending kuyt for doing the same things, do you want me to start a new thread for that or include it in here where it is relevant?

likewise i think we all know by now that even if kuyt was to come into your house on christmas day and sh*t on your kids you would still defend him as a great guy, but you never tire of defending him, or rafa, or anyone else who is underachieving and we all have to read about it on a daily basis.

now actually read this thread and report back to me on how many people have mentioned kuyt (not in response to me) and ask yourself why you choose to focus only on my posts

well i havent actually gone through the thread since the start and not going to bother . i responded on my thoughts about lucas which was the same as many people on here and the difference between lucas and kuyt is kuyt contributes more than just hard work - goals and assists where as lucas doesnt seem to me at the moment contributing to anything but is young and may well adapt or he may well be sold off. Lucas in the last season and a half has prob made one telling contribution in the derby last year where as kuyt has many bloody loads in the time he has been here. And i have no problems critizing players when i dont think they are good enough and dont contribute but will look at the whole picture and not just focus on the negatives and actually look at what they bring to the team .

ok fair enough, then respect my belief that kuyt hinders the team, in my opinion a lot of our attacking play breaks down when it gets to him, i also believe that his lack of control puts us under unnecessary pressure.

its all about opinions mate and following me round the board focusing on my posts (which you basically just admitted to) is not going to change my opinion. kuyt becoming more than just a runner and doing it on a regular basis and controlling more balls than he loses will change my opinion.

now lets get back to lucas, after all its a thread about him that i made a comparison in and its now a 'lets beat peewee with a stick' because i dared to make a comparison and you and others chose to focus on that rather than read the thread and reply properly

by **kazza** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 12:44 pm

peewee wrote:oh how expected, logs straight in and goes straight to my posts

i wonder how many people in this thread have slagged off lucas but you concentrate on me, do you think it would help if i sent you some piccies of me in my grundies, maybe then you can release all that tension that you seem to have bottled up when you think about me

It is simple really, your signiature is offensive and your constant negative remarks about Liverpool players are also offensive. Change those and you will not read any comments from me.

You do not seem very clever so maybe this is a way you can make an impact and be noticed, who cares but as long as you slag off Liverpool players in a way that is meant to be mean rather that constructive you will hear it from me.

As you have a right to express you opinion on Liverpool players, I have a right to express my opinion of you. Idiot!

by **Roger Red Hat** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 12:51 pm

kazza wrote:
peewee wrote:oh how expected, logs straight in and goes straight to my posts

i wonder how many people in this thread have slagged off lucas but you concentrate on me, do you think it would help if i sent you some piccies of me in my grundies, maybe then you can release all that tension that you seem to have bottled up when you think about me

It is simple really, your signiature is offensive and your constant negative remarks about Liverpool players are also offensive. Change those and you will not read any comments from me.

You do not seem very clever so maybe this is a way you can make an impact and be noticed, who cares but as long as you slag off Liverpool players in a way that is meant to be mean rather that constructive you will hear it from me.

As you have a right to express you opinion on Liverpool players, I have a right to express my opinion of you. Idiot!

try posting without calling him an 'idiot' as that does nothing but get someones back up. Peewee is far from being an idiot. He has his opinions - you have yours but he isnt an idiot.

by **heimdall** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 1:08 pm

I'd go along with that, well apart from Kuyt who despite being a nice guy with a good work effort is an absolutely fecking joke of a football player. I am convinced you could find more talented footballers in your average sunday league games.

by **RedEire** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 1:12 pm

Things are getting slightly off the track here. The topic was titled "Why Lucas" - Rafa brought Lucas to LFC about a year ago - he came at the time as the current captain of Brazil U21 and holder of Young Player of the Year in Brazil - both of these honours are quite impressive, yet, they are meaningless if he cannot produce the goods on a weekly basis for Liverpool. The question should be "Is Lucas good enough for LFC" - my opinion, is that he is not. I have already given my reason for this - lack of first touch, poor control, poor decision making, and i will take something else written about, gives away too many silly needless frees, ofter in dangerous positions. Again this is my opinion - based on facts. With regards to Benayoun, i would pretty much tar him with the same brush. I would give Kuyt some credit as he has scored important goals for us, I would see Kuyt as a squad member - not as a first team player - now this also my opinion. Another factor to take into account is would Lucas/Benayoun/Kuyt get into the first 11 or even 13 (meaning first 2 subs used) for Chelsea/United/Arsenal ? Personally i do not think so - Lucas/Benayoun ----> Carrick/Anderson/Deco/Denilson : Kuyt ----> Ronaldo/Nani/Nasri/J.Cole. Rafa could have got Deco this summer for £8m or even last year for about £16m (how much did we spend on Benayoun/Lucas). Regarding his signings, i think Rafa has got in wrong more often that he got it right. Rafa has taken a chance too many times on unknowns with promise instead of established players who have the experience. He has got to start planning for the NOW rather than future

by **Bad Bob** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 1:18 pm

RedEire wrote:Rafa could have got Deco this summer for £8m or even last year for about £16m (how much did we spend on Benayoun/Lucas). Regarding his signings, i think Rafa has got in wrong more often that he got it right.

An otherwise fair post, mate, but I take issue with this reasoning (whenever it crops up). Just because a rival signs a player (like Deco say) for X amount does not mean we could have signed said player for the same amount or indeed, at all. Deco, for instance, is likely to be a Chelsea player now only because Scolari is there. In the same way, we have Torres because of the Rafa-Spanish connection...given that the Mancs and a few others have tried to sign him in the past and he's refused to budge from AM. Nasri is probably at Arsenal because of Wenger etc. etc. Players have choice and who the manager is matters (as does geography etc.). So let's not beat Rafa with a stick every time someone else signs someone who we'd think would be handy for us for a price we presumably could match. It's rarely that simple.

by **GYBS** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 1:19 pm

The thing is what chance did we have of ever getting Deco ? prob nil as he wanted to work with scolari .

And Heimdall - Kuyt may not be world class and blessed with gerrard or torres like talent but that certainly doesnt make him joke of a footballer around the sunday league standard - not in a million years . Yes he isnt brilliant but lets not go overboard .

by **flamingpoe** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 1:34 pm

agreed red eire, i think that kuyt, benayoun, lucas but they aint just the only problems, pennant, is another in my eyes not to mention voronin (why loan him sell the useless bas***d) the only thing that we are now missing in my eyes is a consistent right winger, if money is problem offload all of these and i would of bought a couple of out and out right wingers, pennant is one but just simply not good enuf he was in the right team at birmingham (a rubish one)
lucas sowed loads of potential and we bought him at the same time manure bought anderson now look at both players and cnsider which one was and is better i hate to admit but its anderson

but knowing most of our luck we will sell lucas and he will turn good, **rolls eyes**
so my solvence is if we get shot of these two american C***s, and dic will come and get rid of all these mediocre players and buy "brand name players" as i like to call em so hey there may be a silver lining to the cloud but if i was going for any right wingers i wud be looking at rafinha, arshavin, matias fernandez, quaresma or any other right winger and then get shot of kuyt and replace him with a actual striker :P
well thanks for your time!

by **Toffeehater** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 1:35 pm

by **GYBS** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 1:42 pm

Anderson cost man utd 18 mil ish lucas cost us 6 mil . also two different type of players

by **Leonmc0708** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 1:48 pm

heimdall wrote:I'd go along with that, well apart from Kuyt who despite being a nice guy with a good work effort is an absolutely fecking joke of a football player. I am convinced you could find more talented footballers in your average sunday league games.

If you really beleive that then you are an even bigger fool than I ever thought you where.

You seriously think that Sunday LEague is better than Kuyt ?

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