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[Leonmc0708]

Guys quit the name calling - I will delete all that stuff in a moment, but knock it in the head.

IF you disagree fine, state yer case, but dont name call its tedious, immature and pointless.

[RedEire]

Bad Bob, fair point re Deco.  Perhaps the reason we had not got these established players that i speak of is that we have Rick Parry doing the negotiations instead of Rafa.  I don;t know but i would like is (a) to start playing and planning for now rather than future - we will not have much of future we have are overtaken by Man City, struggle again to even get into top three and out of the prem race by November.  If that means playing Gerrard out right and having central pairing of Alonso/Masch, then so be it - I think we need Keane to step up to the plate and start scoring and take the pressure and attention from Torres.  Babel and Reira could then battle it out for the left wing position.

[Sabre]

Did anyone decide this forthemselves or just base there prognosis on Jim Beglins statements ?

Leon, you do that quite a bit on here i have noticed.

Hear someone criticise someone and take it that they have formed there opinion based on the commentator.

Lets be honest, this time your calling it wrong, Lucas was bad last night, easily our worst player.

When Alonso felt injured Lucas did well. Well enough to stay in the team while Alonso was recovering, it was those weeks in which Rafa said Alonso needed to step up a gear.

You even had a bunch of opinions commenting that Lucas was a prefferable option to Alonso. Yes there were fans who doubted his ability but not many.

So, all of a sudden to see so many opinions against Lucas is a bit of a sudden thing. Especially considering the kind of game Marseille plays. Lucas did a bad game, ok, but let's remember a couple of things:

* It's just a bad game
* Marseille played very together, with little distance between their lines, they break with speed. Lucas did a bad game but it's also true it was a complicated game for him to play.
* Rafa has been rotating little in the previous weeks when it comes to the CM. That selectorial "cleverness" (opposed to sillyness) has given little minutes to Lucas this season ----> Give the lad a bit more time to get into the season.

* Arbeloa also lost some very dangerous balls, 3 of them very early in the match, and unlike the case of Lucas those mistakes were not that forced.

So bad game of Lucas? Yes. Comment those mistakes? If you wish, we all come to discuss that kind of things. Do I think Lucas is a waste because of yesterday? absolutely not.

[GYBS]

I'd go along with that, well apart from Kuyt who despite being a nice guy with a good work effort is an absolutely fecking joke of a football player. I am convinced you could find more talented footballers in your average sunday league games.

If you really beleive that then you are an even bigger fool than I ever thought you where.

You seriously think that Sunday LEague is better than Kuyt ?

It amazes me how you cant have players in the middle ground that are also important to the team/squad.

Players are either labelled or world class where as there is bloody loads in the middle ground who are either great,good,decent potentially great .

For me lucas can be good but will never be world class but we still need players like that in the squad . And he is still only 20 . He has had a few decent performances a couple of very good ones a few average and the odd one but he does have ability
Kuyt is in the good/great decent bracket depending on how well he played - he isnt world class and never well be but he isnt - he is a player every team has but does a very good job when required and helps the team to positive results. He will never be blessed with torres skill or pace but he has his own good attributes .

P.s at the moment people slagging of kuyts first touch well at the moment torres first touch is shocking as well .

[heimdall]

The thing is what chance did we have of ever getting Deco ? prob nil as he wanted to work with scolari .

And Heimdall - Kuyt may not be world class and blessed with gerrard or torres like talent but that certainly doesnt make him joke of a footballer around the sunday league standard - not in a million years . Yes he isnt brilliant but lets not go overboard .

Damn I thought I was being generous to Dirk. 

[heimdall]

I'd go along with that, well apart from Kuyt who despite being a nice guy with a good work effort is an absolutely fecking joke of a football player. I am convinced you could find more talented footballers in your average sunday league games.

If you really beleive that then you are an even bigger fool than I ever thought you where.

You seriously think that Sunday LEague is better than Kuyt ?

It amazes me how you cant have players in the middle ground that are also important to the team/squad.

Players are either labelled or world class where as there is bloody loads in the middle ground who are either great,good,decent potentially great .

For me lucas can be good but will never be world class but we still need players like that in the squad . And he is still only 20 . He has had a few decent performances a couple of very good ones a few average and the odd one but he does have ability
Kuyt is in the good/great decent bracket depending on how well he played - he isnt world class and never well be but he isnt - he is a player every team has but does a very good job when required and helps the team to positive results. He will never be blessed with torres skill or pace but he has his own good attributes .

P.s at the moment people slagging of kuyts first touch well at the moment torres first touch is shocking as well .

Please tell me you are joking when you are comparing the touch of Torres and Kuyt, and people say I talk sh1t!!
So tell me who is the equivalent good/great bracket Kuyt type player in Arsenal, Chelsea and Man Utd then?
I really don't understand what you guys see in Kuyt, but I do respect your opinions, in my eyes he has zero talent for scoring goals, I mean scoring a rebound goal in off the knee is not talent, anybody could do that.  Whenever he has the ball I never expect anything special to occur as opposed to most other Liverpool players, it genuinely depresses me to see him in the team week in week out, when I know there are far better options on the bench or in the squad.

[Hans Moleman]

Hello all, after browsing this forum over the last number of years I have chosen to register today purely down to the overwhelming confusion surrounding Lucas and his continued involvement with our first team squad. Now before I go any further I am not generally one to bad mouth our players or knock the manager. I know he may well still be young but not one element of his game inspires me that he may yet be a good player. His passing, retention of the ball, tackling, heading and reading of the game are below average at best as far as I can see. The amount of times he gets pushed of the ball in a game is something to behold. Is it just me or can anyone highlight to me one element of his game that makes him good enough for LFC, something that Rafa can see that I have missed?

[metalhead]

Hello all, after browsing this forum over the last number of years I have chosen to register today purely down to the overwhelming confusion surrounding Lucas and his continued involvement with our first team squad. Now before I go any further I am not generally one to bad mouth our players or knock the manager. I know he may well still be young but not one element of his game inspires me that he may yet be a good player. His passing, retention of the ball, tackling, heading and reading of the game are below average at best as far as I can see. The amount of times he gets pushed of the ball in a game is something to behold. Is it just me or can anyone highlight to me one element of his game that makes him good enough for LFC, something that Rafa can see that I have missed?

Welcome Hans, you showed some fair valid points.

I was a firm believer of Lucas to becoming good, however looks like he isn't the player I thought he would be.

[Ben1988]

Hello all, after browsing this forum over the last number of years I have chosen to register today purely down to the overwhelming confusion surrounding Lucas and his continued involvement with our first team squad. Now before I go any further I am not generally one to bad mouth our players or knock the manager. I know he may well still be young but not one element of his game inspires me that he may yet be a good player. His passing, retention of the ball, tackling, heading and reading of the game are below average at best as far as I can see. The amount of times he gets pushed of the ball in a game is something to behold. Is it just me or can anyone highlight to me one element of his game that makes him good enough for LFC, something that Rafa can see that I have missed?

Cheap, Brazilian, young and  a CENTRAL MIDFIELDER.... Rafa can't get enough of them.

But seriously, good post, I agree totally, he needs to start showing more promiss ASAP or January could see the end of his time at Anfield.

[GYBS]

I'd go along with that, well apart from Kuyt who despite being a nice guy with a good work effort is an absolutely fecking joke of a football player. I am convinced you could find more talented footballers in your average sunday league games.

If you really beleive that then you are an even bigger fool than I ever thought you where.

You seriously think that Sunday LEague is better than Kuyt ?

It amazes me how you cant have players in the middle ground that are also important to the team/squad.

Players are either labelled or world class where as there is bloody loads in the middle ground who are either great,good,decent potentially great .

For me lucas can be good but will never be world class but we still need players like that in the squad . And he is still only 20 . He has had a few decent performances a couple of very good ones a few average and the odd one but he does have ability
Kuyt is in the good/great decent bracket depending on how well he played - he isnt world class and never well be but he isnt - he is a player every team has but does a very good job when required and helps the team to positive results. He will never be blessed with torres skill or pace but he has his own good attributes .

P.s at the moment people slagging of kuyts first touch well at the moment torres first touch is shocking as well .

Please tell me you are joking when you are comparing the touch of Torres and Kuyt, and people say I talk sh1t!!
So tell me who is the equivalent good/great bracket Kuyt type player in Arsenal, Chelsea and Man Utd then?
I really don't understand what you guys see in Kuyt, but I do respect your opinions, in my eyes he has zero talent for scoring goals, I mean scoring a rebound goal in off the knee is not talent, anybody could do that.  Whenever he has the ball I never expect anything special to occur as opposed to most other Liverpool players, it genuinely depresses me to see him in the team week in week out, when I know there are far better options on the bench or in the squad.

chelsea- belletti,Mikel,Ferrara,Malouda
Arsenal-Denilson,Bendtner,Ebuoe,Diaby.
Mancs-Hrgreaves,Carrick,Anderson,brown,

Just to name a few players who are decent and good and do the jobs required for the team.

You must be surprised then at the moment cause so far Kuyt has contributed to us winning two extremly important games ? or did you miss those games .

[Roger Red Hat]

Cheap, Brazilian, young

...was beginning to sound like my kind of night out. 

[LegBarnes]

Did anyone decide this forthemselves or just base there prognosis on Jim Beglins statements ?

Leon, you do that quite a bit on here i have noticed.

Hear someone criticise someone and take it that they have formed there opinion based on the commentator.

Lets be honest, this time your calling it wrong, Lucas was bad last night, easily our worst player.

When Alonso felt injured Lucas did well. Well enough to stay in the team while Alonso was recovering, it was those weeks in which Rafa said Alonso needed to step up a gear.

You even had a bunch of opinions commenting that Lucas was a prefferable option to Alonso. Yes there were fans who doubted his ability but not many.

So, all of a sudden to see so many opinions against Lucas is a bit of a sudden thing. Especially considering the kind of game Marseille plays. Lucas did a bad game, ok, but let's remember a couple of things:

* It's just a bad game
* Marseille played very together, with little distance between their lines, they break with speed. Lucas did a bad game but it's also true it was a complicated game for him to play.
* Rafa has been rotating little in the previous weeks when it comes to the CM. That selectorial "cleverness" (opposed to sillyness) has given little minutes to Lucas this season ----> Give the lad a bit more time to get into the season.

* Arbeloa also lost some very dangerous balls, 3 of them very early in the match, and unlike the case of Lucas those mistakes were not that forced.

So bad game of Lucas? Yes. Comment those mistakes? If you wish, we all come to discuss that kind of things. Do I think Lucas is a waste because of yesterday? absolutely not.

wow the voice of reason You always get my vote on fair comment top post.

Read all cos this guy makes more sense then alot of you put together. 

[stmichael]

Cheap, Brazilian, young

...was beginning to sound like my kind of night out. 

everyone loves a brazilian

[LegBarnes]

Hello all, after browsing this forum over the last number of years I have chosen to register today purely down to the overwhelming confusion surrounding Lucas and his continued involvement with our first team squad. Now before I go any further I am not generally one to bad mouth our players or knock the manager. I know he may well still be young but not one element of his game inspires me that he may yet be a good player. His passing, retention of the ball, tackling, heading and reading of the game are below average at best as far as I can see. The amount of times he gets pushed of the ball in a game is something to behold. Is it just me or can anyone highlight to me one element of his game that makes him good enough for LFC, something that Rafa can see that I have missed?

Well A he is young maybe the match was to much for him on this day remember consistency takes time and alot of match exp.

One thing is thou he didn't make any major mistakes that cost us Carra made massive mistake I don't hear any one slaging him of.

So leave the lad alone.

[Ray Pugh]

I'm not too sure on Lucas, never really impressed me in any games, even the Everton game. I'm still prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt (only cause he is supposedly Brazilian and young). I do think Benitez plays him fairly regular, regular enough that if you have gud qwaality (Benitez pronunciation) you should flourish, if he doesn't flourish he doesn't have enough qwaality.

While I'm at the Benitez impersonations, is any one bored with the same old Benitez interviews. We had a gud qwaality, gud mentality, we controwl the game, good posseshon, cweate lotsh of chances........ the same old bloody pap in every interview, I'm starting to think he needs a good pint of banks's beer and a personality transplant.

That said in Rafa we trust (sort of)

Any opinions on Benitez interviews yet or is it just me bored with them?

Boring Benitez interviews, does it DRIVE YOU MAD??!!!

Can someone start a thread on this for me please, or is nobody bothered

I now know what the Mrs feels like when I ignore her.....I feel so lonely, oh so lonely