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by **The Manhattan Project** » Sat Aug 14, 2004 1:28 am

I feel we have been ripped off.

£8 Million and a player and that's it?

Plus, he's gone to a team that honestly didn't need another striker. Real needed midfielders and defenders. He's going to have to compete for a place against Morientes, Raul and Ronaldo.

I don't feel good about this at all.

I would have felt better if we got Morientes in the trade.

I really hope the club knows what they're doing, but I guess their hands were tied if Owen really wanted to go and we couldn't risk him leaving for free. It's not really the fact he's leaving that bothers me, it's just that the fee seems VERY low for someone of his standard.

by **supersub** » Sat Aug 14, 2004 10:45 am

buy the mirror and take a look at the brian reade article.he tells it how it is.the man,as a true red supporter speaks my language.

by **JBG** » Sat Aug 14, 2004 11:04 am

Owen leaving is not the end of the world.

Both he and Robbie Fowler were sacred cows at Liverpool, often living off past achievements. Although Owen will probably go on and do great things at Real (in contrast to Fowler), both he and Liverpool were getting stale and a clean break is best for both parties.

by **supersub** » Sat Aug 14, 2004 11:38 am

I'm not so sure Owen will go on to do great things.I've never been a believer that Michael reached the heights of "WORLD CLASS".Yes he served our club well and played his part in the club's recent success,but the hysteria that followed his arrival on the world scene was partly due to this country's desire for a world class centre-forward.I think the team will be better for his leaving than he becoming a better player.The last 2 seasons have shown that Owen has lost that spark that gave him the edge in seasons past.

by **mistyred** » Sat Aug 14, 2004 3:15 pm

Totally agree, But he did do great thigs for our club but just not recently.
We need two very CF for Baros and Pongolle.

by **The Manhattan Project** » Sat Aug 14, 2004 6:39 pm

I just read the Brian Reade article at the Mirror website.

I think he's right. I do feel better about this whole thing now.

Thanks.

by **azriahmad** » Sun Aug 15, 2004 5:33 am

Good article, with some facts to remind us of the way things were in our golden era.

Times have moved on on me and perhaps I am getting older. How can I forget the team of 1986 who won the double? Who were they - let's try to remember. Grobbelaar - Zimbabwean, Nicol - Scottish, Hansen - Scottish, Lawrenson - Irish, Beglin - Irish, Craig Johnston - Aussie, Molby - Danish, MacDonald - Scottish? (MacMahon the first chioce was injured, I think), Whelan - Irish, Rush - Welsh, and the great man himself Dalglish - Scottish. Ther were no subs used. We fell behind to a goal by Lineker midway in the second half and was all over the place. Beglin confused Grobbelaar after that Lineker goal and Grobbelaar pushed him and mouthed him off and then instsntly passed to him. Grobbelaar made an acrobatic save after Sharpe saw him off his line and he had to scamper backwards to tip the ball over. That was the turning point to me. It was time to rally the troops.

Come the second half, Liverpool raised their game and once equalised, there was no turning back. Molby was spraying passes at will, all over the pitch. Everton had their best 11, with the exception of Southall who was deputised for by Mimms.

Was there an Englishman? No. Was there a local lad? No. Did we run over Everton from the start? No. We got behind, rallied and finished on top.

We need players who have the heart to run and play for Liverpool, we need a great team spirit. WE need to get rid of player power and mega egos, if there are any. We recerive little for the sale of Owen but we must move on. Let's move on.

Guys, you are all hardcore fans (I presume by reading your threads here). Give your support to Benithez, as we have stagnated in spite of all the progress made by Houllier. This man Benithez is brave enough to take the tough decisions, much like what he did at Valencia, and has the pedigree as a winner. I am behind the new regime all the way.

by **stapo1000** » Mon Aug 16, 2004 12:07 am

will someone give us a link for that article please

by **azriahmad** » Mon Aug 16, 2004 4:17 am

Sorry about that, in all the excitement, I just went to the yahoo UK website and searched for the mirror website.

Here is the link to the article THE BRIAN READE COLUMN.

Hope it is a good read for you.

by **112-1077774096** » Mon Aug 16, 2004 4:22 am

read it this morning, well written. my feelings on Owen are obviously he is free to move where he wants, however im angry at the way he has been promising to sign a new contract all year when he had no intention of signing, its not the facet he left, its the underhand way in which he left that p*sses me off

by **anfieldadorer** » Mon Aug 16, 2004 4:50 am

can anyone of you mention 3 reason why it's a wrong/right decision for his leaving?
(it really p#isses me off too, but couldn't find satisfactory reason why he should have stayed)

by **The Manhattan Project** » Mon Aug 16, 2004 7:23 am

Right Decision

1- If he wanted to have serious hopes of UEFA Champion's League success, he had to go to Real who in the last few years have been serious contenders while The Reds only scraped into the CL last season.

2- He wanted to play with some of the best players in the world. Assuming he could get into the first team, playing alongside Figo, Zidane and Beckham sounds a hell of a lot better than playing alongside someone like Diouf (before he was shipped to Bolton mind).

3- He knew that Rafael wouldn't be as easily manipulated as Houllier, and Owen knew he had to leave.

Wrong Decision

1- Real have Morientes, Raul and Ronaldo, each of which I consider a better player than Owen, so he may struggle to get into the first team.

2- Liverpool offered him £70,000 a week, while Real will only pay him £56,000 a week. Although I personally consider his leaving to be a good thing in this regard since I don't think he was worth 70K a week.

3- Real have struggled in the last year or so. They finished fourth in La Liga (and Rafael's Valencia took the title), they blew the Spanish Cup to Zaragoza, and were dumped out of the Champion's League by their own striker Morientes. Real needed midfielders and defenders, they didn't need another striker. I think many Real Madrid fans would have preferred Vieira.

by **anfieldadorer** » Mon Aug 16, 2004 8:12 am

cheers, MP. well-said.

by **The Manhattan Project** » Mon Aug 16, 2004 11:04 am

Thanks

by **JBG** » Mon Aug 16, 2004 11:30 am

I think the newspapers have exagerated the consequences of Owen leaving, saying we'll struggle to score goals and his departure is another nail in our coffin.

I find that funny as the same newspapers were stating last year that Owen was over-rated, off form and injury prone, and was one dimensional!

I was and am a big fan of Michael Owen and it would have been nice if he had stayed, but the fact of the matter is that both he and Liverpool were getting stale, and a change is good for both parties. With Owen's pace the temptation was always there to hit fast early balls to him, but that had become tired and opposition teams were learning to cope with Owen.

Liverpool have always sold top players and prospered, we survived the sales of Keegan, Souness, Rush and Fowler, and as the old saying goes, when one door closes another opens.

The focus is now on Cisse and whether he can use Liverpool to become a world class player now that Owen is gone, and the (very) early indications show that he can.

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