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Big Niall wrote:

god_bless_john_houlding wrote:

Big Niall wrote:My question about Carra is that he is just so uncomfortable on the ball, if you put him under pressure he'll just kick the ball away. I think Manure/Chelsea/Arsenal centre backs all feel more comfortable on the ball and keeping posession.

Carra is probably the top bloke in the team (fully committed and dead sound) but it his "with ball" abilities that I am doubtful.

I admit he has never been Bobby Moore but if we are to push to win the league then this is what we need.

you need a bit of both though mate. carra is first on the team sheet because he is the only no nonesense defender we have, two players being so similar doesn't really work. It's like having two Fernando Torres' up front, for me it wouldn't work because they'll be making the same decisions and getting in each other's way. It's all about balance.

Carra was moved into the heart of the defence once Stephan Henchoz (no nonesense defender) was no longer a regular. So I think it really is who partners Carra because we are blessed with a few ball players but only one no nonesense defender.

Which one of Hanson & Lawrenson was the "no nonesense one"?

neil wrote:

bigmick wrote:Pairings is one way of looking at it, and you could also look at it from an individual point of view. Carragher is the best defender in the squad, by a mile. Apart from his defensive ability, even if he were sh!t he would be worth his place in the team purely for what he brings in terms of presence. In my view there is possibly an argument about who should partner him (although if fit I think Agger is a distance ahead of Skyrtel as well) but Carragher is as far ahead of our other defenders as Torres is of Crouch (I didn't include Kuyt and Voronin because that distorts the whole point a bit).

wrong, he is not not the best defender in the squad nevermind by a mile, how many set piece goals have we conceded due to a direct 'hoof' into the stands by a hardly under pressure carragher, at least 5. Last minute penalty at west ham ended the title race in dec(when alonso had the ball btw).  Tried his best to scupper the goodison derby win. Didnt he hoof a ball needlessly into the crowd prior to the set piece man u winner at anfield?  Like I said emperors new clothes.

HacksawJimDuggin wrote:I think we can accomodate Carra, Skrtel (marking) and Agger (sweeping) in a 3-5-2 formation next season.

Reina

Carra
Agger
Skrtel

New RM
Barry
Mascha/Alonso
Gerrard
New LM

Torres
Babel

Barry used to play wingback for villa and Insua is made for a wingback role we just need someone the like on the right.
Ive been thinking about 3-5-2 myself, if we get a forward to partner Torres and a player like Alves for the right it would be a very strong side.

                          Reina

         Carra          Agger         Skrtel

Alves         Masch           Alonso       Barry

                         Gerrard
 
               Torres            ? ?   


Even with the question marks its a feckin strong side.

Rush Job wrote:

HacksawJimDuggin wrote:I think we can accomodate Carra, Skrtel (marking) and Agger (sweeping) in a 3-5-2 formation next season.

Reina

Carra
Agger
Skrtel

New RM
Barry
Mascha/Alonso
Gerrard
New LM

Torres
Babel

Barry used to play wingback for villa and Insua is made for a wingback role we just need someone the like on the right.
Ive been thinking about 3-5-2 myself, if we get a forward to partner Torres and a player like Alves for the right it would be a very strong side.

                          Reina

         Carra          Agger         Skrtel

Alves         Masch           Alonso       Barry

                         Gerrard
 
               Torres            ? ?   


Even with the question marks its a feckin strong side.

Rush Job wrote:Barry used to play wingback for villa

neil wrote:

Thingy wrote:

neil wrote:

bigmick wrote:Pairings is one way of looking at it, and you could also look at it from an individual point of view. Carragher is the best defender in the squad, by a mile. Apart from his defensive ability, even if he were sh!t he would be worth his place in the team purely for what he brings in terms of presence. In my view there is possibly an argument about who should partner him (although if fit I think Agger is a distance ahead of Skyrtel as well) but Carragher is as far ahead of our other defenders as Torres is of Crouch (I didn't include Kuyt and Voronin because that distorts the whole point a bit).

wrong, he is not not the best defender in the squad nevermind by a mile, how many set piece goals have we conceded due to a direct 'hoof' into the stands by a hardly under pressure carragher, at least 5. Last minute penalty at west ham ended the title race in dec(when alonso had the ball btw).  Tried his best to scupper the goodison derby win. Didnt he hoof a ball needlessly into the crowd prior to the set piece man u winner at anfield?  Like I said emperors new clothes.

One match dosent cose us the title mate.

people often refer to 'defining moments' and 'turning points' these were 2 from the same 'fantastic defender', carras' been a wonderful servant for us but if you want to win the league then look at what went wrong and rectify it or accept 4th place every season.

So basically these 2 defining moments cost us the League right?
And in your opinion both were Carraghers fault,so what you are saying is that Carragher more or less cost us the title because he's shi.te?
A load of Bull mate!

Number 9 wrote:

neil wrote:

Thingy wrote:

neil wrote:

bigmick wrote:Pairings is one way of looking at it, and you could also look at it from an individual point of view. Carragher is the best defender in the squad, by a mile. Apart from his defensive ability, even if he were sh!t he would be worth his place in the team purely for what he brings in terms of presence. In my view there is possibly an argument about who should partner him (although if fit I think Agger is a distance ahead of Skyrtel as well) but Carragher is as far ahead of our other defenders as Torres is of Crouch (I didn't include Kuyt and Voronin because that distorts the whole point a bit).

wrong, he is not not the best defender in the squad nevermind by a mile, how many set piece goals have we conceded due to a direct 'hoof' into the stands by a hardly under pressure carragher, at least 5. Last minute penalty at west ham ended the title race in dec(when alonso had the ball btw).  Tried his best to scupper the goodison derby win. Didnt he hoof a ball needlessly into the crowd prior to the set piece man u winner at anfield?  Like I said emperors new clothes.

One match dosent cose us the title mate.

people often refer to 'defining moments' and 'turning points' these were 2 from the same 'fantastic defender', carras' been a wonderful servant for us but if you want to win the league then look at what went wrong and rectify it or accept 4th place every season.

So basically these 2 defining moments cost us the League right?
And in your opinion both were Carraghers fault,so what you are saying is that Carragher more or less cost us the title because he's shi.te?
A load of Bull mate!

neil wrote:

Thingy wrote:

neil wrote:

bigmick wrote:Pairings is one way of looking at it, and you could also look at it from an individual point of view. Carragher is the best defender in the squad, by a mile. Apart from his defensive ability, even if he were sh!t he would be worth his place in the team purely for what he brings in terms of presence. In my view there is possibly an argument about who should partner him (although if fit I think Agger is a distance ahead of Skyrtel as well) but Carragher is as far ahead of our other defenders as Torres is of Crouch (I didn't include Kuyt and Voronin because that distorts the whole point a bit).

wrong, he is not not the best defender in the squad nevermind by a mile, how many set piece goals have we conceded due to a direct 'hoof' into the stands by a hardly under pressure carragher, at least 5. Last minute penalty at west ham ended the title race in dec(when alonso had the ball btw).  Tried his best to scupper the goodison derby win. Didnt he hoof a ball needlessly into the crowd prior to the set piece man u winner at anfield?  Like I said emperors new clothes.

One match dosent cose us the title mate.

people often refer to 'defining moments' and 'turning points' these were 2 from the same 'fantastic defender', carras' been a wonderful servant for us but if you want to win the league then look at what went wrong and rectify it or accept 4th place every season.