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by **hello_red** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 11:34 pm

He is a great player and slowly becoming one i admire!!!

His reaction to being sent off was one of pure passion, his sending off was due to pure passion and well he gives a :censored:

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I want that in a liverpool player grit, determination,a will to win and a sense of comradery.

:kungfu:

by **Raj_Xedos** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 12:22 am

Masch's outburst was so out of character....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiT-3uQq4YY&feature=related

fair play to the man i say!

by **The Manhattan Project** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 8:24 am

Now they are talking about banning Masch for FIVE GAMES???

He was provoked!

He was framed!

by **azhan00** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 8:34 am

generally i would say mach did a wrong thing in confronting the ref.. in fact alonso had tried very hard to stop him....
okey.. that has happen and nothing can be changed

but to suspend him for 5 games is ridiculous....

by **The Manhattan Project** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 8:35 am

Is Manhattan the only one to find it hilarious that a player who speaks about eight words of English gets sent off for dissent?

by **metalhead** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 12:10 pm

I’m amazed Rafa Benitez is defending stupidity of Javier MascheranoMar 25 2008

by Mark Lawrenson, Liverpool Daily Post

SUNDAY’S sending-off could set a benchmark that will be good for the game in the long-term. If Javier Mascherano has to be the fall guy that enables that to happen then so be it. Tough luck.

But something needs to be done to stop all this business of getting in referees’ faces and showing absolutely no respect for authority. Fans have had a belly-full of it.

Okay, so Ashley Cole should have been the one to have an example made of him last week when Mike Riley failed to red-card him for his dissent.

But after Sunday, we can all see that officials aren’t going to stand for any more of that and the game will be all the better for it.

Yet Mascherano still fully deserved his dismissal for the sheer stupidity of his actions – and it amazes me how Rafael Benitez can defend them.

On the monitors we have in our radio commentary position we could see Mascherano, even after he had his first yellow card, mouthing off at Steve Bennett after every decision. You could see what was coming.

What’s even more baffling is the fact that the incident he got sent-off for came from a Liverpool free-kick. It wasn’t like it was a dodgy penalty at the Stretford End or something that gave Ronaldo a free shot at goal. It was no big deal.

And then just as Torres is being booked for dissent, Mascherano decides to run over and add his opinion. How could he have thought that Bennett would let it go after he’d already booked his team-mate seconds earlier? What did he expect?

You could see Gerrard and Alonso trying to grab him to stop him protesting because they knew he was on his way if he continued harassing the ref.

If they could get their heads round what was going on, why couldn’t Mascherano? And why couldn’t his manager?

Benitez should be coming out after that game and slapping a fine of two weeks’ wages on the player and making him apologise to his team-mates and fans.

As good a player a Mascherano is, you can’t afford to lose the plot in a game of that importance – it just lets everyone down.

Including Benitez. Which is why I was surprised he came out and defended the player because surely he would have been more frustrated with him than anyone?

A few more looks at it, coupled with some time to think, might make Rafa realise how foolish his midfielder was, especially as he was treading such a thin line after his initial booking.

After all, when you’re 1-0 down at Old Trafford it’s difficult enough to get back into the game but down to 10? No chance.

Sadly, Liverpool were already looking well on their way to defeat to United before the sending-off.

They were cut open down the middle four or five times and Skrtel and Carragher had a poor day positionally.

It was already looking so ominous even before Mascherano put the result well beyond doubt.

source

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Seriously... :no

from an ex liverpool player.

I don't think it was "stupidity" from rafa benitez because its not very often that managers don't defend their players.

by **redtrader74** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 12:21 pm

The Manhattan Project wrote:Is Manhattan the only one to find it hilarious that a player who speaks about eight words of English gets sent off for dissent?

His English is actually very good.

by **heimdall** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 3:26 pm

metalhead wrote:Seriously... from an ex liverpool player.

I don't think it was "stupidity" from rafa benitez because its not very often that managers don't defend their players.

I think he's got this spot on, Rafa should grow a set of balls and not be sticking up for Mascha in this case, he should be saying what an idiot he was and fining him, by defending him Mascha will think this is ok behaviour and will continue to be rude and show dissent to refs.

by **Judge** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 3:32 pm

redtrader74 wrote:
The Manhattan Project wrote:Is Manhattan the only one to find it hilarious that a player who speaks about eight words of English gets sent off for dissent?

His English is actually very good.

yes, all 8 words of them

by **LFC2007** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 3:48 pm

heimdall wrote:
metalhead wrote:Seriously... from an ex liverpool player.

I don't think it was "stupidity" from rafa benitez because its not very often that managers don't defend their players.

I think he's got this spot on, Rafa should grow a set of balls and not be sticking up for Mascha in this case, he should be saying what an idiot he was and fining him, by defending him Mascha will think this is ok behaviour and will continue to be rude and show dissent to refs.

"I have talked to him and he knows it was a mistake, said Rafa"

by **ConnO'var** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 3:48 pm

heimdall wrote:
metalhead wrote:Seriously... from an ex liverpool player.

I don't think it was "stupidity" from rafa benitez because its not very often that managers don't defend their players.

I think he's got this spot on, Rafa should grow a set of balls and not be sticking up for Mascha in this case, he should be saying what an idiot he was and fining him, by defending him Mascha will think this is ok behaviour and will continue to be rude and show dissent to refs.

Disagree completely, mate.

Masch was wrong, IMO, but why should a manager slate him in public and risk alienating a player who's been excellent for us by embarassing him?

Rafa was right... support him publicly but discipline him privately behind closed doors either through a fine or a right, royal verbal boll0cking..... but in private.

If Mascha had one in deliberately to hurt someone with intent.... then I'd agree with you. But given the situation, intent and consequence, I would say that Rafa handled this well enough.

by **god_bless_john_houlding** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 3:56 pm

Have we appealed against the red card or are the club just accepting it?

by **Judge** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 4:22 pm

god_bless_john_houlding wrote:Have we appealed against the red card or are the club just accepting it?

well, ive lodged a complaint

by **ConnO'var** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 4:25 pm

Judge wrote:
god_bless_john_houlding wrote:Have we appealed against the red card or are the club just accepting it?

well, ive lodged a complaint

You crack me up mate!
Liven the place up no end.

by **metalhead** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 4:27 pm

ConnO'var wrote:
heimdall wrote:
metalhead wrote:Seriously... from an ex liverpool player.

I don't think it was "stupidity" from rafa benitez because its not very often that managers don't defend their players.

I think he's got this spot on, Rafa should grow a set of balls and not be sticking up for Mascha in this case, he should be saying what an idiot he was and fining him, by defending him Mascha will think this is ok behaviour and will continue to be rude and show dissent to refs.

Disagree completely, mate.

Masch was wrong, IMO, but why should a manager slate him in public and risk alienating a player who's been excellent for us by embarassing him?

Rafa was right... support him publicly but discipline him privately behind closed doors either through a fine or a right, royal verbal boll0cking..... but in private.

If Mascha had one in deliberately to hurt someone with intent.... then I'd agree with you. But given the situation, intent and consequence, I would say that Rafa handled this well enough.

Agreed mate, it was a mistake but Benitez isn't stupid to go raging and publicaly rant about Mascherano's mistake.

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