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by **Toffeehater** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 6:22 pm

but what good is rotation if we only improve by a little bit and still can't push for anything? If we were in the cl and final and don't improve then its ok but this goes to show that with rotation our improvement is very marginal and those 2 points might not really help compared to few seasons ago

by **Toffeehater** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 6:23 pm

Leonmc0708 wrote:WHY DOES EVERY THREAD HAVE TO TURN INTO A ROTATION ONE ?

cos people start arguing and poof rotation comes in once the smoke has cleared

by **account deleted by request** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 6:49 pm

Leonmc0708 wrote:
redtrader74 wrote:Unfortunatly finishing strong, or not, and rotation are inseperable.

But United and Arsenal dont rotate and finish strong dont htey ?

Arrrgh fu.ck it.

Leon said

No, this thread is about our performances in the second half of the season. If we always bring United up as the measure, then we are never going to be able to measure up as they have a BIG BIG headstart on us on a number of issues, ground, revenue, league form last decade etc.

All the excuses about CL and FA cup don't really wash. As Rafa said in march 2006 :-

At this stage, with all Premiership clubs you've got to play good teams," said Benitez. "Maybe Birmingham will be more concerned about their league position and this might not be as important to them as staying in the division.

"I feel I've got a big enough squad to cope with playing in three competitions and all I can say is that I'd have rather been drawn at home."

by **Leonmc0708** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 7:47 pm

s@int wrote:
Leonmc0708 wrote:
redtrader74 wrote:Unfortunatly finishing strong, or not, and rotation are inseperable.

But United and Arsenal dont rotate and finish strong dont htey ?

Arrrgh fu.ck it.

Leon said
No, this thread is about our performances in the second half of the season. If we always bring United up as the measure, then we are never going to be able to measure up as they have a BIG BIG headstart on us on a number of issues, ground, revenue, league form last decade etc.

All the excuses about CL and FA cup don't really wash. As Rafa said in march 2006 :-

At this stage, with all Premiership clubs you've got to play good teams," said Benitez. "Maybe Birmingham will be more concerned about their league position and this might not be as important to them as staying in the division.

"I feel I've got a big enough squad to cope with playing in three competitions and all I can say is that I'd have rather been drawn at home."

Dont make it personal cusade to make me look like a fool just because I disagree with you on a point or two mate.

I said that as people have said Arsenal and United are the greatest thing since sliced bread, so they will finish strongly, but they dont rotate as much as rafa the fool so therfore it must be possible to finish strongly and not rotate, so therfore finishing strongly and rotating are seperable.

I was also being a sarky tw@t.

by **account deleted by request** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 7:55 pm

Leonmc0708 wrote:
s@int wrote:
Leonmc0708 wrote:
redtrader74 wrote:Unfortunatly finishing strong, or not, and rotation are inseperable.

But United and Arsenal dont rotate and finish strong dont htey ?

Arrrgh fu.ck it.

Leon said
No, this thread is about our performances in the second half of the season. If we always bring United up as the measure, then we are never going to be able to measure up as they have a BIG BIG headstart on us on a number of issues, ground, revenue, league form last decade etc.

All the excuses about CL and FA cup don't really wash. As Rafa said in march 2006 :-

At this stage, with all Premiership clubs you've got to play good teams," said Benitez. "Maybe Birmingham will be more concerned about their league position and this might not be as important to them as staying in the division.

"I feel I've got a big enough squad to cope with playing in three competitions and all I can say is that I'd have rather been drawn at home."

Dont make it personal cusade to make me look like a fool just because I disagree with you on a point or two mate.

I said that as people have said Arsenal and United are the greatest thing since sliced bread, so they will finish strongly, but they dont rotate as much as rafa the fool so therfore it must be possible to finish strongly and not rotate, so therfore finishing strongly and rotating are seperable.

I was also being a sarky tw@t.

Wasn't trying to make you look stupid Leon, was just having a laugh inbetween trying to make my points.

by **bigmick** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 9:14 pm

As seems to be usual these days, people get a bit worked up when discussing anything which could possibly contain the R word, but here's my take after reading the comments.

1.It appears from the stats that we and everybody else normally pick up around and about the same number of points in the second half of the season as the first.
2. We normally have a Cup run, and we normally do pretty well in it. The calendar dictates that these normally occur in the second half of the season. The other teams normally have a cup run as well, but not necessarily in the same cups that we do. It's probably fair to say that our possibilities for a cup run are usually aided by the fact that we are not in contention for the League, whereas the other members of the big four usually are (excepting Arsenal for the last couple of seasons).

3. We do run around a lot, and that might be a reason for the manager rotating like he does. It's quite possible that rotating "Rafa style" allows people to run around a lot for even longer than they would normally, kind of the "duracell syndrome" which is a new take. For those who support such a theory, as has already been pointed out Kuyt is the epitomy of it, he even has an orange head FFS.

by **Bad Bob** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 9:25 pm

bigmick wrote:For those who support such a theory, as has already been pointed out Kuyt is the epitomy of it, he even has an orange head FFS.

Got that "bing bong bing" Duracell theme stuck in my head now, mate!

by **bigmick** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 9:40 pm

I'm quite happy with the Duracell syndrome mate

It's gone in alongside the delayed gazelle effect, enforced and unforced rotations, the LFC factor, the reverse LFC factor, the good ship anti, the good ship pro, the throw the names in a hat and all the other bits of terminology which have come out so far. At least it's all staying fairly good natured, people are switching ships from result to result without being pulled up on it and there's a distinct lack of nah nah n nah nah's flying about.

by **Bad Bob** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 9:42 pm

bigmick wrote:I'm quite happy with the Duracell syndrome mate It's gone in alongside the delayed gazelle effect, enforced and unforced rotations, the LFC factor, the reverse LFC factor, the good ship anti, the good ship pro, the throw the names in a hat and all the other bits of terminology which have come out so far. At least it's all staying fairly good natured, people are switching ships from result to result without being pulled up on it and there's a distinct lack of nah nah n nah nah's flying about.

We're almost ready to compose the Newkit Rotation Song, methinks. We've got enough lyrical fodder, now we just need someone who can carry a tune (ducks and runs).!

by **account deleted by request** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 12:55 am

BIGMICK SAID :-

"duracell syndrome" which is a new take. For those who support such a theory, as has already been pointed out Kuyt is the epitomy of it, he even has an orange head FFS.

That is just about the most apt description of Kuyt I have read mate :laugh:

by **66-1112520797** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 1:26 am

Leonmc0708 wrote:
Bamaga man wrote:
Leonmc0708 wrote:
s@int wrote:But you are missing the point again Leon, the creedo always brandished by the pro -rotationers (I include my self) was about us being stronger IN THE LEAGUE in the second half of the season.

I believed it and quoted it with confidence as a measure of how rotation would help come the second half of the season. Anti- rotationers had their " ah but you are beating broken horses" theory. Again boll0cks as it doesn't appear to matter that half the sides have given up either.

As I said in the edit to my previous post we played less cup games than the mancs last season

To take your points system and expand it :-
We played 9 cup games, winning 4 and losing 5 = 12points

Chelsea played 14 cup games, winning 10, drawing 3 and losing 1 = 33 points

Mancs played 13 cup games, winning 9, drawing 2 and losing 2. = 29 points

Comment

What the feck does "comment" mean ?

I do it so that I can then use the edit function on a quote to discuss different part of it (this is especially useful if its one of Big Micks essays).

I take it you have no comment on my jelly bean like disproval of the threories raised in this topic then ?

No sorry Leon, I can't be @rsed with it.

by **account deleted by request** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 1:26 am

The problem I have is that I honestly believed, and still believe that we have enough good players in the team to be making a challenge for the title, and that if we had bought a creative second striker , the team to win the league, if we had a bit of luck and the players played somewhere near the top of their game for most of the season.

So I am looking for reasons why that challenge has failed to really materialise. Rotation (sorry Leon) is one possibility, formation madness another, maybe lack of motivation by some of our overseas players, who perhaps see the CL as bringing the greater glory?

The sad fact is that whether we win the CL or FA cup, this season is going to go down as a disappointing one in the league. Too much emphasis was placed on the Title and the need to make a significant challenge. When we failed to beat Wigan it felt to me as if the season was already over, and its taken me a fair while to bounce back from that result.

I think we can all see now that the real problem is that we have a decided lack of creativity up front, made worse by many of the reasons above. I still believe we are very close to being a title challenging side, but my fear is that come the summer the mancs will get the funds, while we will still be searching round the bargain basement.

by **NANNY RED** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 1:39 am

s@int wrote:The sad fact is that whether we win the CL or FA cup, this season is going to go down as a disappointing one in the league. Too much emphasis was placed on the Title and the need to make a significant challenge. When we failed to beat Wigan it felt to me as if the season was already over, and its taken me a fair while to bounce back from that result.

I think we can all see now that the real problem is that we have a decided lack of creativity up front, made worse by many of the reasons above. I still believe we are very close to being a title challenging side, but my fear is that come the summer the mancs will get the funds, while we will still be searching round the bargain basement.

Saint dont tell me your becoming one of them

Fans who are obsessed with winning the Prem

Agree with you on your other point though worried about can we compete with the funding

by **account deleted by request** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 1:45 am

NANNY RED wrote:
s@int wrote:The sad fact is that whether we win the CL or FA cup, this season is going to go down as a disappointing one in the league. Too much emphasis was placed on the Title and the need to make a significant challenge. When we failed to beat Wigan it felt to me as if the season was already over, and its taken me a fair while to bounce back from that result.

I think we can all see now that the real problem is that we have a decided lack of creativity up front, made worse by many of the reasons above. I still believe we are very close to being a title challenging side, but my fear is that come the summer the mancs will get the funds, while we will still be searching round the bargain basement.

Saint dont tell me your becoming one of them

Fans who are obsessed with winning the Prem

Agree with you on your other point though worried about can we compete with the funding

I'm always delighted with any cup Nanny, its just I really thought this might have been the season we won the league. Everything I was banking on seems to have gone wrong. I thought Arsenal would be busy rebuilding after Henry left. Chelsea would explode either under Maureen or when he left, and that the mancs would be concentrating on the CL and had too many old players anyway.

I am not exactly Nostradamus when it comes to predictions

by **redtrader74** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 1:48 am

NANNY RED wrote:
s@int wrote:The sad fact is that whether we win the CL or FA cup, this season is going to go down as a disappointing one in the league. Too much emphasis was placed on the Title and the need to make a significant challenge. When we failed to beat Wigan it felt to me as if the season was already over, and its taken me a fair while to bounce back from that result.

I think we can all see now that the real problem is that we have a decided lack of creativity up front, made worse by many of the reasons above. I still believe we are very close to being a title challenging side, but my fear is that come the summer the mancs will get the funds, while we will still be searching round the bargain basement.

Saint dont tell me your becoming one of them

Fans who are obsessed with winning the Prem

Agree with you on your other point though worried about can we compete with the funding

I very much doubt we will compete with the funding of the other two, or even Man City, i am sure we will have to sell before we buy. It might be why Rafa will be kept, advancing in the CL, getting money for points is a lot of money. IIRC the difference between first and third in the prem is not a lot.

I think we need to wait for the new stadium, hopefully a 75k+ place, (plenty of room for the prwn sandwichers and real fans)and the exploitation of our fan base to the same level as the Mancs before we will be able to have bought 2-3 £20m+ players.

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