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[redtrader74]

Unfortunatly finishing strong, or not, and rotation are inseperable.

But United and Arsenal dont rotate and finish strong dont htey ?

Arrrgh fu.ck it.

Sorry shouuld have made that clearer........'in terms of Rafa and on this forum', should be inserted somewhere there.

[NANNY RED]

I am not exactly Nostradamus when it comes to predictions   

Ah all my visions of you have been shattered now with that comment i thought you was him

[account deleted by request]

The sad fact is that whether we win the CL or FA cup, this season is going to go down as a disappointing one in the league. Too much emphasis was placed on the Title and the need to make a significant challenge. When we failed to beat Wigan it felt to me as if the season was already over, and its taken me a fair while to bounce back from that result.

I think we can all see now that the real problem is that we have a decided lack of creativity up front, made worse by many of the reasons above. I still believe we are very close to being a title challenging side, but my fear is that come the summer the mancs will get the funds, while we will still be searching round the bargain basement.

Saint dont tell me your becoming one of them

Fans who are obsessed with winning the Prem

Agree with you on your other point though worried about can we compete with the funding

I very much doubt we will compete with the funding of the other two, or even Man City, i am sure we will have to sell before we buy. It might be why Rafa will be kept, advancing in the CL, getting money for points is a lot of money. IIRC the difference between first and third in the prem is not a lot.

I think we need to wait for the new stadium, hopefully a 75k+ place, (plenty of room for the prwn sandwichers and real fans)and the exploitation of our fan base to the same level as the Mancs before we will be able to have bought 2-3 £20m+ players.

The problem with that is , the mancs made almost £100million in pre tax stadium profit but had to pay 40+million in interest rates. This in a season where they won the league, reached the FA CUP FINAL and the semi's of the CL.

We are no-where near as commercially successful as they are, so most of our profit will go on servicing our debt, leaving little left over for a war chest.

[LFC2007]

The sad fact is that whether we win the CL or FA cup, this season is going to go down as a disappointing one in the league. Too much emphasis was placed on the Title and the need to make a significant challenge. When we failed to beat Wigan it felt to me as if the season was already over, and its taken me a fair while to bounce back from that result.

I think we can all see now that the real problem is that we have a decided lack of creativity up front, made worse by many of the reasons above. I still believe we are very close to being a title challenging side, but my fear is that come the summer the mancs will get the funds, while we will still be searching round the bargain basement.

Saint dont tell me your becoming one of them

Fans who are obsessed with winning the Prem

Agree with you on your other point though worried about can we compete with the funding

I very much doubt we will compete with the funding of the other two, or even Man City, i am sure we will have to sell before we buy. It might be why Rafa will be kept, advancing in the CL, getting money for points is a lot of money. IIRC the difference between first and third in the prem is not a lot.

I think we need to wait for the new stadium, hopefully a 75k+ place, (plenty of room for the prwn sandwichers and real fans)and the exploitation of our fan base to the same level as the Mancs before we will be able to have bought 2-3 £20m+ players.

The problem with that is , the mancs made almost £100million in pre tax profit but had to pay 40+million in interest rates. This in a season where they won the league, reached the FA CUP FINAL and the semi's of the CL.

I read that their pre-tax profits were £59.6m.

[account deleted by request]

The sad fact is that whether we win the CL or FA cup, this season is going to go down as a disappointing one in the league. Too much emphasis was placed on the Title and the need to make a significant challenge. When we failed to beat Wigan it felt to me as if the season was already over, and its taken me a fair while to bounce back from that result.

I think we can all see now that the real problem is that we have a decided lack of creativity up front, made worse by many of the reasons above. I still believe we are very close to being a title challenging side, but my fear is that come the summer the mancs will get the funds, while we will still be searching round the bargain basement.

Saint dont tell me your becoming one of them

Fans who are obsessed with winning the Prem

Agree with you on your other point though worried about can we compete with the funding

I very much doubt we will compete with the funding of the other two, or even Man City, i am sure we will have to sell before we buy. It might be why Rafa will be kept, advancing in the CL, getting money for points is a lot of money. IIRC the difference between first and third in the prem is not a lot.

I think we need to wait for the new stadium, hopefully a 75k+ place, (plenty of room for the prwn sandwichers and real fans)and the exploitation of our fan base to the same level as the Mancs before we will be able to have bought 2-3 £20m+ players.

The problem with that is , the mancs made almost £100million in pre tax profit but had to pay 40+million in interest rates. This in a season where they won the league, reached the FA CUP FINAL and the semi's of the CL.

I read that their pre-tax profits were £59.6m.

Sorry mate I was in the process of altering(correcting) it when you posted, should have said "stadium profits" or more correctly "matchday revenue".

Its also not hard to see where the increase in the search for profits starts

Man utd
Ticket prices have gone up but we still believe they are very sensible levels," he said.

"This season, the spread is £25 to £44, juniors at £10, senior citizens a 50% discount.

"Yes, we have 8,000 executives at the stadium but it is only 10% of capacity.

[kazza]

I am not exactly Nostradamus when it comes to predictions   

So what you are saying is you do not write vague poetry that centuries later people will twist into predictions of the future after the events have taken place

Shocking! 



PS Nostradamus was not exactly Nostradamus when it came to predictions.

[HacksawJimDuggin]

The sad fact is that whether we win the CL or FA cup, this season is going to go down as a disappointing one in the league. Too much emphasis was placed on the Title and the need to make a significant challenge. When we failed to beat Wigan it felt to me as if the season was already over, and its taken me a fair while to bounce back from that result.

I think we can all see now that the real problem is that we have a decided lack of creativity up front, made worse by many of the reasons above. I still believe we are very close to being a title challenging side, but my fear is that come the summer the mancs will get the funds, while we will still be searching round the bargain basement.

Saint dont tell me your becoming one of them

Fans who are obsessed with winning the Prem

Agree with you on your other point though worried about can we compete with the funding

I very much doubt we will compete with the funding of the other two, or even Man City, i am sure we will have to sell before we buy. It might be why Rafa will be kept, advancing in the CL, getting money for points is a lot of money. IIRC the difference between first and third in the prem is not a lot.

I think we need to wait for the new stadium, hopefully a 75k+ place, (plenty of room for the prwn sandwichers and real fans)and the exploitation of our fan base to the same level as the Mancs before we will be able to have bought 2-3 £20m+ players.

The problem with that is , the mancs made almost £100million in pre tax profit but had to pay 40+million in interest rates. This in a season where they won the league, reached the FA CUP FINAL and the semi's of the CL.

I read that their pre-tax profits were £59.6m.

Yes - there pre-tax profits were £59m or so but they are servicing debt of over £600m so any profit is wiped out paying the interest (£50m+) on those loans...they are effectively breaking even year on year! That is with them winning the league and also going far in the CL.

What worries me is if we go down the same route with Hicks and Gillette whereby they borrow against the ongoing turnover and and profit of the club then we simply HAVE TOO win the league and/or CL year on year too ensure we are not going further and further into debt!

I know some of you will baulk at this but we need too look at the Man Utd (business) model and try to duplicate that at Liverpool. Hicks and Gillette are smart business men will no doubt be looking at all of this. We need too look at ways too move into new markets (US, Asia and Africa) and make Liverpool a bigger global brand than it is.

Buy a top Japanese/Chinese player, they are idolised in that part of the world, have (signing) him sell tons of LFC merchandise in those countries and there you have it - a new revenue stream  . Same in America (although not sure how many top players there are across the pond that could cope with the EPL!!

In the SPL Celtic have done that with Nakamura and are about too do it with another young Jap called Mizuno. man Utd have done it too a certain degree with Sun Ji Park.

[HacksawJimDuggin]

Also....in keeping with the title of this thread.

It's all very good saying we always finish well but we can't bank on this. We (normally) always start sh*t but started this season pretty well. Although I believe we will finish well we cant bank on it. The top teams (top 8-10) are stronger this season and competition is far higher than in previous seasons..