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Postby account deleted by request » Wed Oct 10, 2007 6:48 pm

Lando_Griffin wrote:
jeff capes wrote:my liverpool hero is playing for another club.

liverpool don't have many true heroes or legends playing for them.

you look at manu and there are loads all over the place, the same for arsenholes and chelsea.

yet i've got to see my hero playing for a 2 bob club like newcastle.

i'll get off rafas back if owen comes back.

i don't care if owen is so injured he could not play for for us again, i just want him back and around the place and linked to liverpool. if that guy ends up at manu i will be angry, but not surprised after recent comments made by liverpool fans about torres being the next goal scoring hero since fowler.

to skip past owen like that is disrespectful.fowler was never an international name, or even and england regular.

at no point in fowlers career was he ever close to being european footballer of the year.

at no point was fowler my hero, that guy always ran out of goals when we needed them.if you needed somebody to score six against some nobody team then fowler was your man,but come the the end of the season when you needed just a few goals to push for the title, he was always missing chances.

obviously my obseveration and memory of fowler will be different from most, but hey its all about opinions.

for liverpool to produce a player that become european player of the year, and not have him around the place is just a crime.

i blame one person for this and its not owen.

just like rush was allowed to leave for a while to go to juventus, i have no problem owen going to madrid.

those liverpool fans who booed owen when he came back should sectioned.

And there it is - the worst post ever on any forum anywhere.

Well done, my friend, you should be proud...

You thick, thick b*stard. :no

I don't tend to criticise posts and everyone knows I wanted Owen to come back in the summer , but I have to agree with Lando on this one.
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Postby JohnBull » Wed Oct 10, 2007 6:56 pm

Leon
You keep missing the point about rotation.
For starters it does not stop injuries and these are going to happen, like it or not. It does not produce fitter players but it will give the opportunity to make sure recovering players are properly fit before coming back, assuming the replacement needs replacing.
The aspect of rotation which I hate is ther mental attitude it promotes. By its very nature it will not produce a winning attitude if changes are made for changes sake. By all means bring in a replacement in cases of injury or loss of form but other than those reasons then leave well alone. If a team has gone out and done well there can be no justification to change that order. What message does a change send to the players ?

I'm upset that the speed Raffa shows to rotate players for "anticipated" tiredness is missing when a substitution is clearly called for during a game. Players are given far too long on the pitch when it is clear to everyone there that they are having "one of those days". Leaving Subs till the last 10 minutes is pointless when the team have been hampered by a donkey for the previous 80.

I honestly like Raffa and I can see no logical replacement for him.It is purely this aspect of his coaching I cannot accept. Needless rotation just doesn't make sense. It is hard enough getting a true "team spirit" when the languages and ethnic styles are so diverse. We've got midfielders who have to go 12 hours without eating or training on match days or who cannot leave their houses on Yom Kippur. These are part of society today and we have to take it into the system and accept it. Don't add to the confusion by making changes because "it's due!".
The latest stories I'm hearing are that the New Year will be bringing the largest Argentinian invasion on to Crown land since The Falklands, three or four players are on their way to Anfield. How they'll fit in to a PL season will be interesting to see.
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Postby Red Dotty » Wed Oct 10, 2007 6:56 pm

Scottbot wrote:I'd also add that all this talk about the players missing Pako and my favourite 'he's the link between the players and the boss' is (again) complete speculation that keeps getting written up as if it's FACT. No-one would give it a 2nd thought if we had we won the last three games.

Everyone is looking for reasons, i've seen it all on here. I can't even bare to go in the rotation thread. It's doing me nut in.

Anyone ever thought we might just be playing S.H...I.T the way teams sometimes go through a spell where they play S..H..I..T?

Just an idea.

Fecking here here :bowdown

At last someone with a fecking level head.

I can't believe we as a proud team are even having these sort of threads over a manager that every single european team would have.

I am so fecking wound up and hope that people get a fecking grip and concentrate in puttig all that energy they have into making fecking stupid comments and looking for the most obscure reasons for our so called poor form and get there :censored: along to the games and start cheering the team on.

WE ARE LIVERPOOL

most teams and supporters would :censored: themselves looking at some of these poxy threads. We have not lost anything yet. :angry:

Sorry for that but where some are getting fustrated with Raffa, some of us supporters are getting fustrated with the negative vibes around the club at the moment :no
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Postby supersub » Wed Oct 10, 2007 7:00 pm

Lando_Griffin wrote:
jeff capes wrote:my liverpool hero is playing for another club.

liverpool don't have many true heroes or legends playing for them.

you look at manu and there are loads all over the place, the same for arsenholes and chelsea.

yet i've got to see my hero playing for a 2 bob club like newcastle.

i'll get off rafas back if owen comes back.

i don't care if owen is so injured he could not play for for us again, i just want him back and around the place and linked to liverpool. if that guy ends up at manu i will be angry, but not surprised after recent comments made by liverpool fans about torres being the next goal scoring hero since fowler.

to skip past owen like that is disrespectful.fowler was never an international name, or even and england regular.

at no point in fowlers career was he ever close to being european footballer of the year.

at no point was fowler my hero, that guy always ran out of goals when we needed them.if you needed somebody to score six against some nobody team then fowler was your man,but come the the end of the season when you needed just a few goals to push for the title, he was always missing chances.

obviously my obseveration and memory of fowler will be different from most, but hey its all about opinions.

for liverpool to produce a player that become european player of the year, and not have him around the place is just a crime.

i blame one person for this and its not owen.

just like rush was allowed to leave for a while to go to juventus, i have no problem owen going to madrid.

those liverpool fans who booed owen when he came back should sectioned.

And there it is - the worst post ever on any forum anywhere.

Well done, my friend, you should be proud...

You thick, thick b*stard. :no

I think you are spot on Lando
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Postby welsh wizzard » Wed Oct 10, 2007 7:04 pm

Red Dotty wrote:
Scottbot wrote:I'd also add that all this talk about the players missing Pako and my favourite 'he's the link between the players and the boss' is (again) complete speculation that keeps getting written up as if it's FACT. No-one would give it a 2nd thought if we had we won the last three games.

Everyone is looking for reasons, i've seen it all on here. I can't even bare to go in the rotation thread. It's doing me nut in.

Anyone ever thought we might just be playing S.H...I.T the way teams sometimes go through a spell where they play S..H..I..T?

Just an idea.

Fecking here here :bowdown

At last someone with a fecking level head.

I can't believe we as a proud team are even having these sort of threads over a manager that every single european team would have.

I am so fecking wound up and hope that people get a fecking grip and concentrate in puttig all that energy they have into making fecking stupid comments and looking for the most obscure reasons for our so called poor form and get there :censored: along to the games and start cheering the team on.

WE ARE LIVERPOOL

most teams and supporters would :censored: themselves looking at some of these poxy threads. We have not lost anything yet. :angry:

Sorry for that but where some are getting fustrated with Raffa, some of us supporters are getting fustrated with the negative vibes around the club at the moment :no

Fecking bollocksss there is more to it than just playing shitttee, We aven't won the last 3 games having had a decent start. So in my eyes things have gone pear shaped for a reason.

The reasons are there for all to see !!!

Having a blip, is no excuse from where we were to the way we played against Marseilles is beyond belief...
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Postby Ciggy » Wed Oct 10, 2007 7:07 pm

jeff capes wrote:my liverpool hero is playing for another club.

liverpool don't have many true heroes or legends playing for them.

you look at manu and there are loads all over the place, the same for arsenholes and chelsea.

yet i've got to see my hero playing for a 2 bob club like newcastle.

i'll get off rafas back if owen comes back.

i don't care if owen is so injured he could not play for for us again, i just want him back and around the place and linked to liverpool. if that guy ends up at manu i will be angry, but not surprised after recent comments made by liverpool fans about torres being the next goal scoring hero since fowler.

to skip past owen like that is disrespectful.fowler was never an international name, or even and england regular.

at no point in fowlers career was he ever close to being european footballer of the year.

at no point was fowler my hero, that guy always ran out of goals when we needed them.if you needed somebody to score six against some nobody team then fowler was your man,but come the the end of the season when you needed just a few goals to push for the title, he was always missing chances.

obviously my obseveration and memory of fowler will be different from most, but hey its all about opinions.

for liverpool to produce a player that become european player of the year, and not have him around the place is just a crime.

i blame one person for this and its not owen.

just like rush was allowed to leave for a while to go to juventus, i have no problem owen going to madrid.

those liverpool fans who booed owen when he came back should sectioned.

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Postby Red Dotty » Wed Oct 10, 2007 7:12 pm

welsh wizzard wrote:
Red Dotty wrote:
Scottbot wrote:I'd also add that all this talk about the players missing Pako and my favourite 'he's the link between the players and the boss' is (again) complete speculation that keeps getting written up as if it's FACT. No-one would give it a 2nd thought if we had we won the last three games.

Everyone is looking for reasons, i've seen it all on here. I can't even bare to go in the rotation thread. It's doing me nut in.

Anyone ever thought we might just be playing S.H...I.T the way teams sometimes go through a spell where they play S..H..I..T?

Just an idea.

Fecking here here :bowdown

At last someone with a fecking level head.

I can't believe we as a proud team are even having these sort of threads over a manager that every single european team would have.

I am so fecking wound up and hope that people get a fecking grip and concentrate in puttig all that energy they have into making fecking stupid comments and looking for the most obscure reasons for our so called poor form and get there :censored: along to the games and start cheering the team on.

WE ARE LIVERPOOL

most teams and supporters would :censored: themselves looking at some of these poxy threads. We have not lost anything yet. :angry:

Sorry for that but where some are getting fustrated with Raffa, some of us supporters are getting fustrated with the negative vibes around the club at the moment :no

Fecking bollocksss there is more to it than just playing shitttee, We aven't won the last 3 games having had a decent start. So in my eyes things have gone pear shaped for a reason.

The reasons are there for all to see !!!

Having a blip, is no excuse from where we were to the way we played against Marseilles is beyond belief...

Things have gone wrong like what?  we draw 3 games, won last week away at wigan. Got beat for the first time at Anfield in fecking ages by a team who played well on the night. Ok the team has not played well that i will not argue but how many times has it been said the mark of champions is when a team can still pick up points when there form is poor.

Also as supporters when the season started the hype around Liverpool winning the league was emence. There is a possibility that the players and club new for the first time in a while we had a geniue chance and that added to the pressure and that could be a reason

But as for everything else i am reading in my opinion that is Bolloks
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Postby murphy0151 » Wed Oct 10, 2007 7:21 pm

Red Dotty wrote:
welsh wizzard wrote:
Red Dotty wrote:
Scottbot wrote:I'd also add that all this talk about the players missing Pako and my favourite 'he's the link between the players and the boss' is (again) complete speculation that keeps getting written up as if it's FACT. No-one would give it a 2nd thought if we had we won the last three games.

Everyone is looking for reasons, i've seen it all on here. I can't even bare to go in the rotation thread. It's doing me nut in.

Anyone ever thought we might just be playing S.H...I.T the way teams sometimes go through a spell where they play S..H..I..T?

Just an idea.

Fecking here here :bowdown

At last someone with a fecking level head.

I can't believe we as a proud team are even having these sort of threads over a manager that every single european team would have.

I am so fecking wound up and hope that people get a fecking grip and concentrate in puttig all that energy they have into making fecking stupid comments and looking for the most obscure reasons for our so called poor form and get there :censored: along to the games and start cheering the team on.

WE ARE LIVERPOOL

most teams and supporters would :censored: themselves looking at some of these poxy threads. We have not lost anything yet. :angry:

Sorry for that but where some are getting fustrated with Raffa, some of us supporters are getting fustrated with the negative vibes around the club at the moment :no

Fecking bollocksss there is more to it than just playing shitttee, We aven't won the last 3 games having had a decent start. So in my eyes things have gone pear shaped for a reason.

The reasons are there for all to see !!!

Having a blip, is no excuse from where we were to the way we played against Marseilles is beyond belief...

Things have gone wrong like what?  we draw 3 games, won last week away at wigan. Got beat for the first time at Anfield in fecking ages by a team who played well on the night. Ok the team has not played well that i will not argue but how many times has it been said the mark of champions is when a team can still pick up points when there form is poor.

Also as supporters when the season started the hype around Liverpool winning the league was emence. There is a possibility that the players and club new for the first time in a while we had a geniue chance and that added to the pressure and that could be a reason

But as for everything else i am reading in my opinion that is Bolloks

Wait two months mate and these same people who are moaning will no dout be singing prasies.  An saying silly things like I never douted anyone or any rotation lol

Ive got to say its a funny old game this football isint it just?
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Postby Red @ Heart » Wed Oct 10, 2007 7:34 pm

Lando_Griffin wrote:
jeff capes wrote:my liverpool hero is playing for another club.

liverpool don't have many true heroes or legends playing for them.

you look at manu and there are loads all over the place, the same for arsenholes and chelsea.

yet i've got to see my hero playing for a 2 bob club like newcastle.

i'll get off rafas back if owen comes back.

i don't care if owen is so injured he could not play for for us again, i just want him back and around the place and linked to liverpool. if that guy ends up at manu i will be angry, but not surprised after recent comments made by liverpool fans about torres being the next goal scoring hero since fowler.

to skip past owen like that is disrespectful.fowler was never an international name, or even and england regular.

at no point in fowlers career was he ever close to being european footballer of the year.

at no point was fowler my hero, that guy always ran out of goals when we needed them.if you needed somebody to score six against some nobody team then fowler was your man,but come the the end of the season when you needed just a few goals to push for the title, he was always missing chances.

obviously my obseveration and memory of fowler will be different from most, but hey its all about opinions.

for liverpool to produce a player that become european player of the year, and not have him around the place is just a crime.

i blame one person for this and its not owen.

just like rush was allowed to leave for a while to go to juventus, i have no problem owen going to madrid.

those liverpool fans who booed owen when he came back should sectioned.

And there it is - the worst post ever on any forum anywhere.

Well done, my friend, you should be proud...

You thick, thick b*stard. :no

As much as i hate reading what Lando says about people and his sarcasm/internet bully tactics but for the first time i have agreed with him. Fowler wasnt as good as owen my :censored:.

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Postby murphy0151 » Wed Oct 10, 2007 7:41 pm

I told you its like a mental istituiton on these forums. 


I do like to come and have a good laugh at what the dim ar s e mother fu.ckers are going to say next.
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Postby Smeg » Wed Oct 10, 2007 8:12 pm

Ciggy wrote:
jeff capes wrote:my liverpool hero is playing for another club.

liverpool don't have many true heroes or legends playing for them.

you look at manu and there are loads all over the place, the same for arsenholes and chelsea.

yet i've got to see my hero playing for a 2 bob club like newcastle.

i'll get off rafas back if owen comes back.

i don't care if owen is so injured he could not play for for us again, i just want him back and around the place and linked to liverpool. if that guy ends up at manu i will be angry, but not surprised after recent comments made by liverpool fans about torres being the next goal scoring hero since fowler.

to skip past owen like that is disrespectful.fowler was never an international name, or even and england regular.

at no point in fowlers career was he ever close to being european footballer of the year.

at no point was fowler my hero, that guy always ran out of goals when we needed them.if you needed somebody to score six against some nobody team then fowler was your man,but come the the end of the season when you needed just a few goals to push for the title, he was always missing chances.

obviously my obseveration and memory of fowler will be different from most, but hey its all about opinions.

for liverpool to produce a player that become european player of the year, and not have him around the place is just a crime.

i blame one person for this and its not owen.

just like rush was allowed to leave for a while to go to juventus, i have no problem owen going to madrid.

those liverpool fans who booed owen when he came back should sectioned.

:laugh:  :laugh:  :laugh:

I don't know what ya laughing at really...

That posts not even funny, its just a damn right disgrace.

He should be :censored: banned for that. Just like Welsh Wizzard should for the :censored: he always spout. Some people just need a :censored: punch.

Seriously.
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Postby zarababe » Wed Oct 10, 2007 8:13 pm

Leonmc0708 wrote:On Saturday night a name rang around the Mastella Stadium in Valencia for the first time since May 2004. That name belonged to Rafa Benitez as the home fans sang in union "Come back Rafa, come back Rafa". 
 
It says everything about the esteem in which the Liverpool manager is still held in Valencia that more than three years after he departed the La Liga side he remains the man the fans would love to see running their club.
 
With a pair of league championships and a UEFA Cup won during his stint at the Mastella we shouldn't be surprised that Benitez is still revered there.
 
Breaking the Real Madrid/Barcelona duoploy marks him out as an iconic figure in the Mediterranean city and seeing as the La Liga title has eluded Valencia ever since Benitez's departure it was always likely that absence would make the heart grow fonder.
 
In England, meanwhile, the very same Rafa Benitez is finding his ability to turn Liverpool into genuine title challengers questioned and, on occasion, his methods ridiculed whenever results go against his side and sometimes even when they don't.
 
The criticism of Benitez comes at a time when Liverpool are unbeaten in the league and lie just six points off first place. I repeat, when Liverpool are unbeaten in the league and just six points off first place.
 
The stick with which the Liverpool manager is being beaten most often is rotation. Apparently, if you listen to his critics, teams which rotate do not win the big prizes.
 
Well, it certainly worked in Spain so rotation cannot be dismissed as a failure all that easily.
 
"Ah," say the critics, "that's all well and good but football in England is different to Spain and it'll never work here".
 
The case for the defence could easily centre on the fact that Benitez has already guided Liverpool to domestic success in the FA Cup (not to mention that continental triviality that is the Champions League).
 
It might well pain him to do so, but in this case Benitez could quite easily point to Manchester United's Premiership triumph last season.
 
In the 2006/07 season, Sir Alex Ferguson used a total of 23 players en route to the title. At Anfield, Benitez used six more.
 
Significantly, five of those selected by Benitez only featured in Liverpool's last three games of the season when the focus had shifted from domestic to continental pursuits with key first team players making way for youngsters as the Champions League final loomed.
 
So, for the most part of the season, Benitez and Ferguson utilised squads of an almost idenitical size.
 
When it comes down to rotation, the two managers both made constant changes to their sides throughout the season and looked on track to record an almost identical number of changes until Liverpool secured their place in the following season's Champions League and Benitez began to make more and more changes in a bid to assess the quality of his younger squad players and the club's priority shifted to that meeting with Milan.
 
So, again, both Benitez and Ferguson used rotation. The difference? United won the title and Liverpool didn't.
 
This season, the criticism of Benitez's methods has grown more and more ridiculous with every passing week. So much so that their are now people far less qualified who feel they have the right to tell the Liverpool manager what his team should be.
 
Sensationalism is masquerading as analysis and it has got to stop. By all means question Rafa Benitez but it has to be done with perspective.
 
Trophies aren't handed out in October and we will all only know if the Reds boss' system will pay dividends come next May.
 
But if you have doubts about whether Benitez's methods should be accepted then consider the words of another of Valencia's favourite sons, centre forward David Villa.
 
In a recent interview, Villa was asked how Valencia had managed to be beaten by Chelsea in last season's Champions League quarter finals despite having gone 2-1 up on aggregate at home.
 
His answer was revealing: "It is very simple. We had a very small squad last season so the manager (Quique Sanchez Florez) could not rotate as much as he would have liked.
 
"By the end of the season we had played a lot of games, too many games, and we were tired and carrying injuries and when Chelsea came back we had nothing left to give."
 
It is this kind of endemic exhaustion that Benitez is trying to avoid at Anfield.
 
Rotation is new to the English game and in a country as insular and naturally conservative as this one it was always going to be viewed with suspicion.
 
But it is all too easy to blame all a club's ills on a selection process when results go against it. When Liverpool were beaten by Marseilles last week the usual suspects again argued that the defeat was caused by rotation.
 
This was despite the fact that physically the Liverpool players were at their highest level for several weeks. They were fresh and the occasional rests they had been given were the reason for this.
 
The problem was, their physical attributes were fatally undermined by a lack of confidence which meant their technical and tactical skills simply did not function.
 
It was a bad, bad performance but to lay the blame for it at the door of rotation is lazy in the extreme.
 
Just three seasons ago, the very same critics claimed that every single goal Liverpool conceded from a set piece was caused by this new fangled zonal marking system that Benitez had brought with him from Valencia.
 
Now, no-one even talks about it. The reason why? Liverpool hardly ever concede a goal from a set piece anymore while other teams which use more traditional man-to-man marking systems continue to concede them on a much more regular basis.
 
So the message is simple - support the manager and support his methods. Let the critics have their say but never lose sight of the fact that we have one of the most tactically astute coaches in European football who has a record of success that few can get near and most envy.
 
Oh, and his Liverpool team is still unbeaten in the Premiership as autumn kicks in.
 
Those fans at the Mastella know all too well that Benitez is a special manager - that's why they still sing his name - so let him get on with the job in hand at Anfield and let's see where we end up in May.


http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/NG157269071010-1010.htm

As ever, a well balanced well thought out piece from the best footy man at the echo these days.

I read this today - and found words that concurred with my feelings.

On sunday - I saw for the first time my manager Rafael Benitez look deflated, worn, angry and frustrated - for the first time I worried about what I saw - a man who may contemplate walking away because we just don't get it!

Zonal marking was the brow beating obsession of the media than that debate died, when the so-called english way of doing things was proved negligible - winning the CL seemsto have lost its importance yet not winning it ultimately cost Mourihnio his job (diffrence with chairman etc spurred on by this failure).

The other day I read Stand Collymore declare that perhaps Rafa has no experience of managing in a competitive league like ours  :Oo: Unfuc'kin believable.

Liverpool have not one the league for many years, indcluding in your fuc'kin time at the club 'stan' - Rafael Benitez has only been in charge for 3.5 of those years, inherited a sh.t squad and has greatly impoved our coaching mehods, the academy and put Liverpool back on the map through our Euro exploits.

He is the best thing to have happened to this club for many a year, and to start trashing winning the FA cup because even souey did, well given there are only 4 cups to play for every year 1/4 ain't bad going - ask the Toon barcodes and the rest of the mob in the league what they'd have.

Rafael Benitez is a man who understands liverpool fc, its heritage, it passionate supporters - he is an emotional man - look at how he 'cried' when he left Valencia, and look at how they yearn for him even today!

Liverpool supporters may be frustrated, but dips in form happen and we too must be patient and see what happens during the course of the season - turning on the manager may drive him away - His face on sunday was telling - I was worried not about whether Liverpool can turn this around - of course we can and we will - but whether Benitez will forget what he heard on the terraces - the boos - that more than anything could impact in a much bigger way on the deep thinker Benitez !
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Postby Smeg » Wed Oct 10, 2007 8:16 pm

Red wrote:
Lando_Griffin wrote:
jeff capes wrote:my liverpool hero is playing for another club.

liverpool don't have many true heroes or legends playing for them.

you look at manu and there are loads all over the place, the same for arsenholes and chelsea.

yet i've got to see my hero playing for a 2 bob club like newcastle.

i'll get off rafas back if owen comes back.

i don't care if owen is so injured he could not play for for us again, i just want him back and around the place and linked to liverpool. if that guy ends up at manu i will be angry, but not surprised after recent comments made by liverpool fans about torres being the next goal scoring hero since fowler.

to skip past owen like that is disrespectful.fowler was never an international name, or even and england regular.

at no point in fowlers career was he ever close to being european footballer of the year.

at no point was fowler my hero, that guy always ran out of goals when we needed them.if you needed somebody to score six against some nobody team then fowler was your man,but come the the end of the season when you needed just a few goals to push for the title, he was always missing chances.

obviously my obseveration and memory of fowler will be different from most, but hey its all about opinions.

for liverpool to produce a player that become european player of the year, and not have him around the place is just a crime.

i blame one person for this and its not owen.

just like rush was allowed to leave for a while to go to juventus, i have no problem owen going to madrid.

those liverpool fans who booed owen when he came back should sectioned.

And there it is - the worst post ever on any forum anywhere.

Well done, my friend, you should be proud...

You thick, thick b*stard. :no

As much as i hate reading what Lando says about people and his sarcasm/internet bully tactics but for the first time i have agreed with him. Fowler wasnt as good as owen my :censored:.

:Oo:

Thats completely missing the point and you chat :censored: while doing so... love it... :D
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Postby Smeg » Wed Oct 10, 2007 8:18 pm

murphy0151 wrote:I told you its like a mental istituiton on these forums. 


I do like to come and have a good laugh at what the dim ar s e mother fu.ckers are going to say next.

For once you speak sense.
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Postby Sabre » Wed Oct 10, 2007 8:23 pm

Zarababe mate!

On sunday - I saw for the first time my manager Rafael Benitez look deflated, worn, angry and frustrated - for the first time I worried about what I saw - a man who may contemplate walking away because we just don't get it!

Zonal marking was the brow beating obsession of the media than that debate died, when the so-called english way of doing things was proved negligible - winning the CL seemsto have lost its importance yet not winning it ultimately cost Mourihnio his job (diffrence with chairman etc spurred on by this failure).

The other day I read Stand Collymore declare that perhaps Rafa has no experience of managing in a competitive league like ours   Unfuc'kin believable.


First of all Stan Collymore shouldn't talk about anything since he wasn't professional enough to attend to the training ground when he played for Oviedo. I cannot imagine anybody less professional than him.

Second, it's not the first time we have  a bad patch, and it's not the first time we try to see much in the manager's body language. Angry? probably, but I don't think he's too frustrated.

Note that, the environment in which he's working is 1000 times better than in Spain. What it really makes your head in when you're a manager, is that the board tells you what to do. In his country, if he was a coach in Real Madrid, the board would tell him to play Torres (Raul) or to stop rotation. That's the kind of thing that makes a manager wanting to leave, not a couple of media opinions, which, btw, are far less insulting than the Spanish counterparts.

Even the shy boos that can hear in Anfield won't change his mind, when in Mestalla he had to hear "OUT!!! OUT!!"" and not 1000 but 34000 spanish twáts whistling (yes the same crowd that now misses him did that, they do that always)

So just for you being calm, Rafa will only leave if the board sack him, no matter what Hansen, Collymore, and 299  pundit say about his methods. As long as the board respect his work, he'll be ok and all the press will be like water off a duck's back.
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