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by **LFC2007** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 9:49 pm

Bad Bob wrote:: the lad scores goals, period.

Such an Americany expression!

He's a jerk, period :laugh:

Feck it I'd take him back only because he may be our only feasible option, but I'd tell him to feck off if his wage demands were excessive.

by **account deleted by request** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 10:27 pm

"Michael is an honest man and Liverpool were his first choice," Souness was to explain in the days before Owen returned to Anfield for the first time, four months into his Newcastle career.

We would be buying his ability not his loyalty, as long as he scores the goals that win us the title who's bothered. Do you really believe all our player would stay because of their love for Liverpool if they were offered a shedfull of money elsewhere? Players are ambitious and look to win trophies, fill their pockets and have a great lifestyle of fame and fortune. Owen left to further his career, for whatever reason things didn't work out, and he wanted to come back. Have you never made a mistake?

My worries about Owen are if he is still good enough and fit enough, not about who's feelings got hurt when he left. Keegan left the best team in Europe, Rush the best team in England, what did Owen leave, a team that had struggled to qualify for the CL. A new manager not known for his affability with its star player only deciding to stay at the last minute.

by **LFC2007** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 10:36 pm

s@int wrote:We would be buying his ability not his loyalty, as long as he scores the goals that win us the title who's bothered. Do you really believe all our player would stay because of their love for Liverpool if they were offered a shedfull of money elsewhere? Players are ambitious and look to win trophies, fill their pockets and have a great lifestyle of fame and fortune. Owen left to further his career, for whatever reason things didn't work out, and he wanted to come back. Have you never made a mistake?

My worries about Owen are if he is still good enough and fit enough, not about who's feelings got hurt when he left. Keegan left the best team in Europe, Rush the best team in England, what did Owen leave, a team that had struggled to qualify for the CL. A new manager not known for his affability with its star player only deciding to stay at the last minute.

More the reason for Owen not to leave, we were up sh!t creek when he left and for £8m. Rushie left for Juve for a new challenge and European football, Keegan left at our peak. If we're up sh!t creek and a new manager comes in I'd expect him at least to give it a season to try and get us into Europe so the manager has options for the following season. As much as I agree with you about his ability, and I would have him back only because of that, and only if he was the last feasible option. Affability of the manager is irrelevant.

by **account deleted by request** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 11:16 pm

What did Fowler say about leaving Leeds " no one wanted to be last out of the door". They are professional footballers, if Owen saw better opportunities elsewhere you expect him to say no I will stay here because they are in trouble? These are players that sell their weddings to the highest bidder, not saints. Offer Alonso, Gerrard or Reina £20k per week and see if they would sign a new contract.

by **LFC2007** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 11:25 pm

That was Leeds. Owen left us up the creek with a new manager and a depleted squad. He left it right until the end, that's what I don't like about the way in which he left. £8m! is a joke for someone qwho would have in all likelihood gone for over double that in previous seasons. His loyalty doesn't compare to Fowler's.

by **bigmick** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 11:25 pm

On the question of Owen, I'm with Saint in that it must be judged purely from a footballing sense. FWIW my gripe with him is not that he left, it's that he didn't sign a contract before he went, meaning we got fecked over on the price. Henri has done it right at Arsenal for me, at least the club got a decent deal.

Anyway, back to the football. Clearly if Owen was fit, he'd start in our current team. He'd start alongside either Crouch or Kuyt (depending on which side of the bed the manager got out that morning) and obviously (again if he's fit) he'd score a lot of goals. Now he wouldn't be the game breaking flair player that many are demanding, but if we didn't improve our play at all in anyway shape or form, he would probably score nine or ten more gioals than anybody did this season.

Now I said on another thread that the reason we haven't signed anybody, is in my opinion because we can't afford it. I obviously don't know why, it's just a hunch. If we are strapped for cash, then for 9 million I'd buy Owen. If we pick our best team consistently, and Owen figures in it we would go very close to winning the league in my view.

by **Feeney** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 11:36 pm

s@int wrote:We would be buying his ability not his loyalty, as long as he scores the goals that win us the title who's bothered.

Me, for one.

I didn't want Owen back then and I still don't want him back now.

Owen always stated from the get go that he wanted to play abroad. Fair enough. But to leave at such a crucial point (Rafa was just coming in, similar to the way Big Sam has come in to Newcastle, but he hasn't exactly got a squeeky ar$e now has he? No, 'cause he's sitting on a fat weekly sum and a guarantee of England football should he stay fit. At least Henry gave Arsenal his best years and loved every minute of it) was to mearly sh!t on the club from a great height.

Loyalty to me means more than ability - think of the players who have played for us in the past who have maybe lacked ability but shown a willingness to die for the cause? Tommy Smith is the most in the memory at the moment, given his recent troubles.

You give me a lad who'll put his boot in where it hurts 100% and i'll take him every time - i'll certainly take him over the lad who'll have more ability, but will sh!t out of a tackle/hurdle.

Fotballing sense my ar$e, if you're heart isn't in it, you'll get nowhere. That's what seperates the likes of Henry from Anelka.

by **Redstavro** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 11:43 pm

owen,s be all and end all is england thats why he signed for newcastle instead of taking a risk on madrid taking our lower offer. even now owen wants out of newcastle because the prestige isnt there no cl . there are only 2 clubs he will sign for. liverpool and can you guess the other one. thats the player he is the club is second if you want him thats what you get.

by **weringo** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 11:49 pm

Feeney wrote:
s@int wrote:We would be buying his ability not his loyalty, as long as he scores the goals that win us the title who's bothered.

Me, for one.

I didn't want Owen back then and I still don't want him back now.

Owen always stated from the get go that he wanted to play abroad. Fair enough. But to leave at such a crucial point (Rafa was just coming in, similar to the way Big Sam has come in to Newcastle, but he hasn't exactly got a squeeky ar$e now has he? No, 'cause he's sitting on a fat weekly sum and a guarantee of England football should he stay fit. At least Henry gave Arsenal his best years and loved every minute of it) was to mearly sh!t on the club from a great height.

Loyalty to me means more than ability - think of the players who have played for us in the past who have maybe lacked ability but shown a willingness to die for the cause? Tommy Smith is the most in the memory at the moment, given his recent troubles.

You give me a lad who'll put his boot in where it hurts 100% and i'll take him every time - i'll certainly take him over the lad who'll have more ability, but will sh!t out of a tackle/hurdle.

Fotballing sense my ar$e, if you're heart isn't in it, you'll get nowhere. That's what seperates the likes of Henry from Anelka.

Being loyal to your club and being a commited footballer are two different things. If Owen came back I'm sure he would give 100% every game no matter what.

If you go around saying you only want Liverpool fans playing for the club, you will get nowhere, the main thing in question when signing a player is whether or not he will perform.

by **Redstavro** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 11:55 pm

unless england were playing the next week

by **Feeney** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 11:56 pm

weringo wrote:If you go around saying you only want Liverpool fans playing for the club, you will get nowhere, the main thing in question when signing a player is whether or not he will perform.

You've missed me point there mate.

I certainly don't expect every player to say he supports Liverpool - Carra is a blue, so to me it really doesn't matter. I agree that, if Owen signed, he would perform and probably score goals - but as the saying goes - when the going gets tough, the tough gets going? Owen doesn't fancy a lowly league game against Derby - much rather playing against France or Germany in a big Euro game for my liking.

All c0ck and no balls, as the saying goes.

by **Feeney** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 11:57 pm

by **paisleyred** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 11:58 pm

It is pretty rare for a player to have a big impact at a club when returning for a second spell.
They usually dont live up to fans expectations.
For this reason I'm out............
:lookaround

by **Redstavro** » Sun Jun 24, 2007 12:05 am

the welsh man is an england player who wants to play for england all the time. not like the english man who is a wales player who only wanted to play for wales when it suited his club:D

by **weringo** » Sun Jun 24, 2007 12:07 am

Feeney wrote:
weringo wrote:If you go around saying you only want Liverpool fans playing for the club, you will get nowhere, the main thing in question when signing a player is whether or not he will perform.

You've missed me point there mate.

I certainly don't expect every player to say he supports Liverpool - Carra is a blue, so to me it really doesn't matter. I agree that, if Owen signed, he would perform and probably score goals - but as the saying goes - when the going gets tough, the tough gets going? Owen doesn't fancy a lowly league game against Derby - much rather playing against France or Germany in a big Euro game for my liking.

All c0ck and no balls, as the saying goes.

If Owen even was anything like that at one point (I don't think he was), hes learnt enough in his career by now to take what you get. If he came back here he would know he isn't going to get any more chances if he fuc.ks up, and he knows Rafa wouldn't stand for anything less than full commitment.

Whatever the outcome, at 9 million he is definately worth the risk when you consider prices of £25 million are being quoted for Torres who is regarded by many as overhyped in La Liga, let alone in the Premiership.

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